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From: Wanduring  in response to Message 3Sent: 2/16/2005 11:40 PM
I believe that there absolutes.  The confusion comes from mixing absolutes with relativism.  What are the difference between the two?  Absolutes exist whether observed or not.  They do not need to be seen to be true.  They exist and are.  With relativism, they exist only by observation and do not exist outside of personal insight and observation.  Take the three spatial dimensions for example.  They are absolute because they exist whether or not you see them or interact with them.  On the other hand, relativsm comes into play when you interact within those spatial dimensions.  For example,  you have two people (for the sake of the example lets call them Jane and John) who are a certain distance from each other. Jane says she is standing still and that John is moving towards her.  John states that the opposite is true, that Jane is moving towards him while he is standing still.  Are they both right, both wrong, or is one right and one wrong?  That is where relativism comes in.  They can be both right because they are seeing things relative to themselves.  A outside observer might see them as moving away from him/her.  Is dependant on the observer.  The three dimensional space they are in doesn't change however..it exists whether you see it or not.  You don't even have to believe in it or agree with it...It exists regardless of viewpoint or agreeance.  With relativism in order for there to be agreement you have to have a point of referance the parties in question agree with.  I think there are definate absolutes and that what defines an absolute is that it is a truth that exists whether or not you see it or believe it. 
  Now that being said, it is extremely difficult for humans to see absolutes because we do not see the whole of the matter.  For example say you are restrained in a dark room where you cannot move.  Does being able to move forward and backward, left or right, or up and down exist?  Yes, whether you can move does not remove those 3-dimensions, just your ability to move in those directions. Anyhow, there are more than 3 dimensions as we all know.  Was using the spatial dimensions to illustrate a point. 


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     re: Absolutes   Devine  2/17/2005 1:38 AM