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(This is just plain
SICK).
First Internet Hunting Death Fires Up
Humane Society, ENS 3-10-05
First Internet Hunting Death Fires Up Humane
Society
WASHINGTON, DC, March 10, 2005 (ENS) - Internet hunting has fired
its first shot and claimed its first victim, but the Humane Society of the
United States (HSUS) is not taking this news lying down.
The organization
is calling on state lawmakers and Congress to ban the remote
slaughter..
The scheme operates like a computer game where a person can
point and shoot a rifle via remote control, though the rifle is real and so is
the killing of animals in what amounts to a video-monitored canned
hunt.
The desktop hunter pays several hundred dollars or several
thousand, not including taxidermy and shipping of his trophy.
"What
started as a depraved idea has apparently become a sickening reality," said
Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of The HSUS. "This is a snuff film scenario in
which animals will be senselessly killed for the voyeuristic pleasure of someone
sitting at a keyboard. It is pay-per-view slaughter. This remotely delivered
cruelty should be
shut down and outlawed immediately."
Pacelle says
that in addition to animal welfare concerns, Internet hunting raises important
questions for public safety and homeland security. "With the recent news reports
of terror suspects on federal watch lists
having easy access to firearms, why
would we make it even easier for these people to inflict their terror by
experimenting with the idea of remote shooting with the aid of the
Internet?"
According to the Fort Worth "Star-Telegram," a San Antonio
hunter used his home computer to fire a remote rifle and kill a wild boar,
becoming the first online customer of a 220-acre Texas canned hunt stocked with
captive exotic animals.
The Internet hunting site received nationwide
attention when the plan was announced last November, but at the time the remote
system was not yet operational for shooting live animals.
Since then, the
Virginia legislature has passed the first bill banning Internet hunting (HB 2273
and SB 1083), which awaits the Governor's signature, and similar bills are
pending in Alabama (SB 302 and HB 557),
California (SB 1028), Hawaii (SB
1424), Maine (LD 50), Michigan (HB 4465), New York (S 2822), Oregon (HB 2528, SB
389), Tennessee (HB 1268, SB 1505, and SB 1895), Texas (HB 391), and West
Virginia (HB 2890).
The HSUS is pushing the introduction of bills in
other states, as well.
Texas is believed to be home to the most canned
hunting operations in the United States. Clients pay large sums of money to
participate in canned hunts, which take place in a confined area from which the
animal cannot escape.
Most of the targets are non-indigenous animals,
including several varieties of goats and sheep; numerous species of Asian and
African antelope; deer, cattle, and swine; and bears, zebra, and big
cats.
The HSUS estimates there are more than 1,000 canned hunting
operations in at least 25 states.
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Here is the blurb from the
website along with the email address I used.)
LIVE-SHOT is a new concept.
You can challenge yourself and compare your skills to other members with our
on-line target shooting. We have developed a system where you can control a
pan/tilt/zoom camera and a firearm to shoot at real targets in real
time.
While your membership is
active, access the viewing cameras to see how others stack up to your abilities,
control the pan/tilt/zoom camera to take a look around, and schedule a
reservation for your on-line shooting experience.
Currently, shooters will be
able to fire 10 (ten) .22 caliber rounds at paper and silhouette targets. You
may also have a DVD recording and/or the paper target from the session shipped
as an option. Look for additional, varied shooting systems along with
competitions to come online soon.
If exotic big game hunting
is of interest to you, contact us at [email protected] for information on
scheduling a hunt on our ranch in Texas. |
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This is just plain sad but unfortunately I am not suprised to what depths people will go to make a quick preverted buck. What appalls me the most is the treat death like it was some kind of a game. Back when I was in my 20's, a friend of mine took me bow & arrow hunting. I learned very quickly that there is a level of respect for the environment and the animals that has to be maintained. I now only hunt with a camera. It makes me wonder when they will upgrade this to things like endangered animals or worse. Just when I think humanity is progressing forward, I see things like this and start to think that the gene pool needs a good scrubbing! |
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Since theres only 12 signatures on the petition for this, I'm bumping it up here where folks can see it and offer the Humane Society their support if ones consious decides. Thanks for getting it underway Lacedra ... Please feel free to copy the relevant information from this post and take it with you, pass it around or email it... the more people made aware the better chance there is at stopping this. ~ Red |
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No thanks necessary Red. Was my pleasure. In fact, it has opened a whole nuther can of worms. Self sustenance verses store bought? I might get to that after I go wring a few more chicken necks.  Lace |
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I, for one find it a distasteful profit driven industry. It is one of the reasons that after 43 years of eating meat I am now well on my way to being vegan. I'm in the process of researching the health benefits. So far my findings indicate there would be nothing detrimental to my health. In fact the positives far outweigh the negatives in my opinion.<o:p></o:p> http://www.eatright.org/Public/GovernmentAffairs/92_17084.cfm<o:p></o:p> If I am to continue to eat meat, then I will consider organic farming. It is more expensive, but definitely more humane. The health benefits are also better. No pesticides, no hormones injected in the meat, no antibiotics (which weakens our bodies ability to fight infections) in meat, milk, or eggs. <o:p></o:p> http://www.eatwellguide.org/viwsourcedetail.cfm/prmID/23087<o:p></o:p> I have known about the horrors of factory farms for years. I was raised in the south. I have assisted an ex hubby in several of his jobs, on a hog, rabbit, and poultry farm. These were small organizations, the farmers were not mean, did not mean to be cruel. Yet conditions are harsh for the animals involved. Baby pigs are castrated at birth. The reason being they are confined in such small spaces they would fight constantly over the females. Another reason is they put on fat faster. Succulent Bacon rather than lean jerky. Which mean larger profit for the farmer. If there were not a market for meat there would be no need for the farms. Yet I support the family farmer. Iv'e known families that have worked their land for hundreds of years,passed down from generation to generation. Honest very hard working folk providing a valuable service to their community. It seems they are being squeezed out by corporate farms which are the worst of the worst, in my opinion. See example below.<o:p></o:p> http://www.factoryfarming.com/gallery/photos_beef.htm http://www.ctic.purdue.edu/Core4/Nutrient/ManureMgmt/Paper11.html I have no problem with someone who wants to eat meat. It's a personal choice. I'm just looking into a new way to eat. For me its based on my changing views about consciousness,and the life surronding me. In Peace, Lace Lace<o:p></o:p> |
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. Ohh yea saeskwac,your question  I find can hunting worse. They are both profit driven, But in the case of canning, the individual doing the shooting, and the one providing the service,are both exploiting the animal for no other purpose than the satisfaction of killing. I have killed to eat. I recieved no pleasure from taking the life of that animal. I was grateful for the food it provided. Just my oppinion. Lace |
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Hey Joe,
Online hunting is on a par with factory
farms to me. Both treat an animal as no more than a commodity and with no
respect given for the life of the creature. I am all too unfortunately familiar
with factory farms as there are more than a few in my province, in my
neighbourhood even, and I absolutely loathe them. Not only do they do an
injustice (and I dare say abuse) to the animals by depriving them of freedom of
movement, fresh air and so on, it has been proven on several occasions they also
pose an environmental hazard to natural underground aquifers or any body of
water they may be near by from the leakage of their holding tanks.
But they are big business and alas, big
bucks seem to speak louder to many politicians than matters of ethics or
environmental concerns... *Sigh* The only way to fight factory farms (at least
here in Manitoba) seems to be in a municipality to municipality basis by folks
pressuring their reeves and councillors to pass environmental hazard
bylaws. We are working on just such a campaign in my municipality now as
recent water tests have shown higher ecoli count present in the water here since
two factory farms decided to set up their operations. (Wish us
luck!)
Leila |
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The thing is, is that this is a symptom not the problem. By outlawing online hunting you don't change the basic problem. The issue is of who has priority to live. Does the needs of a human outweigh the needs of a animal? Now most would say this is not a need but a sick pleasure...but is that not also a need? Is it wrong? Of course it is, but does focusing your outrage on this solve the true problem? Take factory farms as my cousin pointed out..is this worse than that? Do we need factory farms? Of course the answer is that with our large population we do need those factory farms to support that population. Hideous as it may seem to people like me...I do know that to support the needs of thepopulation and the ONGOING growth of our population that these factory farms is the mainstay of our food industry. Now I do hate this, and hate it alot, but in a society of consumers this is whatyou get. In this throwaway society we have removed all that once was sacred with the human first mentality. And no matter what you think you are, it is inbred within humans to act to save the humans first, even when the humans don't need saving. An example would be of if you see a starving baby and wolf pup...who do you kill to feed the other? You can rationalize it however you want but the result would be a dead wolf pup fed to a baby. Why? Because our instinctual programming is based on a species first mentality...sure you would feel bad for the animal you sacrificed to save the kid...but it illustrates the whole problem. Humans do not look at the large scale problem...and if they do they tend to ignore it or pretend they are solving the problem by attacking various symptoms... To illustrate my point let me point out to all of you that you posted these argements using a computor. A computor is a horrible thing in relation to impact on the enviorment. Not just the computor when it gets tossed out 3 or 4 years from now and is shipped to China to be recycled in substandard facilities which poison the earth...but also through the energy usage of the pc...which is done through hydroelectric, nuclear, coal , or oil energy production. How did you go and get that computor? With a combustion engine vehicle? Another thing that is poisoning the earth as well. So what is my point? We are hypocrites and our words are not supported by our actions. We are ALL part of the problem through a technological advanced society. Rationalize it all you want, but those people pushing buttons shooting that animal is no worse than this pc you are in front of right now...and that makes you as guilty as that person. What is the solution? I don't see one. How many people here are willing and ready to give up the majority of technology they use for the animals? None of us. We would do it if forced through a cataclasmic event...but other than that...we are forced to concede that until humans are willing to change our outlook as a WHOLE...things will not change until we are forced... Yes this is a negative outlook...but it is also very true. |
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<o:p></o:p> In this throwaway society we have removed all that once was sacred with the human first mentality. <o:p></o:p> Speak for yourself. Not everyone has thrown away the sacred, and not everyone puts themselves first.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We are hypocrites and our words are not supported by our actions. We are ALL part of the problem through a technological advanced society. <o:p></o:p> I totally disagree with this statement.<o:p></o:p> I understand the consequence of my actions, including but not limited to using a computer. I also support cleaner forms of fuel, and do what I can to support causes that help to reduce emissions and clean the environment. If I don’t eat the meat in these farms then I no longer support them. I live in a society that uses computers, but I haven't thrown one away, and have only begin using one in the last 7 years. When I do go to throw one out I will investigate the options.I do what I can in my world.<o:p></o:p> Rationalize it all you want, but those people pushing buttons shooting that animal is no worse than this pc you are in front of right now...and that makes you as guilty as that person. What is the solution? <o:p></o:p> It's my opinion that they are. I'm not actively seeking to kill another life form. A good solution is make a difference in something you passionately care about and get rid of that pessimistic attitude. The world changes one person at a time. The PC thing bothers you? Then research and get the message out about a safe way of disposal.<o:p></o:p> |
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| | From:  imbas1 | Sent: 3/15/2005 1:09 PM |
The house fell down, must be the hammers fault. This discussion being about Internet Canned Hunting, and not factory farming (which should be a seperate discussion), I'd like to respond along those lines. I see nothing about canned hunting that speaks to priority to live. (Or computer recycling for that matter) And as any doctor will tell you, you treat the symtoms first, then address the cause. How about we all just sit around and each come up with different issues and say is this one worse that that, what about this one, etc. One does what they can or they do nothing. And the ones that do nothing sit and whine, it won't work, it's too much, wowsey wowsey woo woo. Maybe that outlook is true for some, it's not for me. |
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You see Lacedra, the gross consumerism within western civilization has thrown away the sacred for comfort. If you look throughout your house you would find many articles of common everyday things that illustrate this. Our mass produced clothes, the books we read, the radio we listen to, the tv we watch...whether we are physically pouring poison into the water we do it by proxy. And it is impossible to live within a technological society without using these things. Why is that? Because the means of production of these things have a severe impact, whether on physical habitat space, chemical balance, you name it. The problem is more widespread and incredibly hard to resolve. We can't go back to living in the trees with the widespread population we have now without sentencing the mahjority to death by starvation. Hell, there is already a food shortage in various parts of the world...and a water shortage coming up pretty soon if various scientists are to be believed. Is lowering the population a good thing? I would say yes, but the majority of the people in the world would disagree violently. Why do you disagree with the hypocrite statement? It is true...if people truly had the world's best interest in mind, would they be using that computor, driving that car, riding that airliner, buying those mass produced clothes? No, they wouldn't...but there are other factors as humans we look at...the kids needs clothes, you need a new car to get to work, or that flu shot to stay healthy so you can work...these little modern necessities outweigh our global concern. So while we whine and cry about earth first, we shovel the poison into the earth in the privacy of our homes. It IS a hard truth to realize. I am as guilty as the next person. Which really sucks, and am sure I will end up paying for it sometime. <"I live in a society that uses computers, but I haven't thrown one away, and have only begin using one in the last 7 years."> Is this justification of the net result of the impact of that computor? You are definately entitled to your opinion. I would ask however that you look deeper into cause and effect of the larger picture. You see there is no "Safe" way of disposal...nor is there a "safe" way of production as of yet. While the world does change one person at the time people have to first recognize that there IS a problem. I can tell people this stuff til I am blue in the face and would still be considered a pessimistic crank unless people see the direct results of these actions. Which in many cases won't be perceptable until the problem is already manifest. Funny thing about humans, they only start caring when they are directly impacted. Anyhow, I am not saying any one thing is the root cause, but rather the collective basis of everything within our modern society. This is the world we live in. I agree Imbas about it being a discussion on Canned Hunting. As for the rest, unless you can determine the root cause and fix that, you are really just placating your guilt by saying,"OOoo look what I did, I protested the baby seal killing" and changed???? Not a damn thing. Why? because the baby seal killing was not the problem...the mentality of the person offing that seal was. And how do you change that? You don't...only they can change that. |
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| | | From: sæskwač | Sent: 3/16/2005 3:22 PM |
<sigh> I'm afraid I have to side againt Wanduring on this one. My question about Factory Farming was mainly because animals there are definitely tortured needlessly...whereas I don't know that animals are subjected to the same kind of terrible existence on Internet Hunting ranches...maybe they are, maybe they aren't...off the subject? Maybe. The fact is that complaining about society being bad and needing to change doesn't actually change anything, as Imbas says. Acting like someone trying to put a stop to something they believe is wrong is not a worthwhile goal simply because there will still be other things wrong is silly. Yes, these are symptoms of a greater problem, but treating these symptoms is not at odds with treating the disease. And I'm sorry, but that "placating your guilt" comment is out of line, in my opinion. You don't know what the motivations of any of the people here are in trying to put a stop to this...maybe it's to make money on their traditional hunting ranch, maybe it's to placate their guilt, maybe it's because they love animals and don't think anyone should be allowed to kill them under any circumstances. But accusing anyone of any of these motivations is damn egotistical because it makes the underlying assumption that you can read their minds...which I doubt is the case. So I renew my challenge...if you are so tired of people treating the symptoms and not the disease, make your diagnosis, Dr. Wanduring, and tell us all what the cure is so we can do something truly worthwhile with our time. Sorry, Imbas, for perhaps sucking us farther down along an off-the-topic ramble... |
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Well spoke on several points saeskwac.
Acting like someone trying to put a stop to something they believe is wrong is not a worthwhile goal simply because there will still be other things wrong is silly. Yes, these are symptoms of a greater problem, but treating these symptoms is not at odds with treating the disease.
I can't cure the disease, but maybe I will feel a lot better If I can get rid of the symptoms. You don't know what the motivations of any of the people here are in trying to put a stop to this...maybe it's to make money ..... I'm unsure myself as to what motivated me. I had a gut reaction when I saw the post . I have always listened, and followed these impulses when they hit. Following them has yet to impact my life negatively. So I renew my challenge...if you are so tired of people treating the symptoms and not the disease, make your diagnosis, Dr. Wanduring, and tell us all what the cure is so we can do something truly worthwhile with our time. I hope you do Wanduring I'm open to any suggestions that are beneficial to the beautiful world we live in. Blessings, Lace |
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