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Your stories : adhd, n, odd 13yr old step daughter
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From: XtraMSN NicknameExhaustedBurnout1  (Original Message)Sent: 11/11/2005 10:53 a.m.
New guy here, I am the stepfather of a 13 yr old girl, who was diagnosed with narcissistic traits, oppositional defiant disorder and adhd.  I will give a list of things that we have experienced. 
 
Doesn't accept no as an answer, very argumentative.
 
Throws temper tantrums when told no, excessive yelling and crying, occasionally throws things.
 
Shows no empathy, remorse if or until she's going to be punished for said act. 
 
Will take money from us, has stolen at least once from a store, and a friend. 
 
Always has an excuse, blames someone else for her behaviors.
 
Falsely accused mother of physically abusing her to school counselor, thankfully the counselor realized this wasn't true.  Also accused an uncle of molesting her, then recanted, just for shock value I believe.  I live in fear daily she's going to accuse me of such an act.  She has threatened me recently with going to school and telling them I abuse her, and that she would make sure there would be marks.  Didn't happen thankfully, yet anyway.
 
Caught in the act of holding her 3 yr old bro on floor, face down, standing on his back.  He wasn't hurt seriously thank God.  She terrorizes him on a fairly regular basis.  All relationships with children are shortlived and meaningless.  Always in conflict with adults and children.  Must be in control at all times. 
 
She came in one day from a friends house and sat down at 11 yrs old, almost 12, that she had just had oral sex with another girl, 12.  No embarassment whatsoever. 
 
Almost 2yrs ago, she discussed with me and her mother how she was angry with her mother and brother, who was 1 at the time, how she had planned to suffocate them both, but decided she wasn't big enough to do that to her mother, she would have to stab her with a kitchen knife.  But she would easily suffocate her brother.  She also begins to say, how no one would suspect her and if they did, she was just a child and couldn't go to jail.  I was terrified, my wife too, for awhile, then she dismisses it and said she just said that for attention, whatever!! 
 
End of May this yr she threatened to kill me, and said she should have done it the first time she had the chance. 
 
She has a history of cruelty to animals since at least 8 yrs. old.  Don't believe she has actually killed one though.  We had to get rid of a pet mouse that was absolutely terrified of her, anytime she walked into the room, the mouse would try and hide in it's cage. 
 
A few yrs ago, our cat clawed it's way out of a screen window never to be seen again, I believe it was because of her. 
 
Asks very inappropriate questions, says odd things. 
 
Reprimanded at school last year for attempting to throw acid on another child, she said it was an accident, mom bought that, I'm sure the teacher didn't, I heard the msg he left on our machine.  "I was very disturbed at what I seen K do today."  But mom and daughter convinced him otherwise and punishment was reduced greatly. 
 
Highly intelligent, comes off as a very polite and nice child when you first meet her. 
 
Mother said as a baby, she was very distant, and would push her away, wouldn't make eye contact, cried a lot and always wanted her way. 
 
Witnessed many many times her smiling an evil smile anytime she makes someone mad. 
 
Gets good grades in school, I thought that was odd, but have heard that isn't uncommon. 
 
Personally believe her Dx would have been CD instead of ODD had her mother told the psychologist administering her psych eval that she had the cruelty to animals, stealing, and threatening bodily injury to her resume, but mom was too embarassed, I can understand that.  We got the eval, because we were preparing her for Boys Town, then mom balks at that idea, because I am for it and she suddenly decides she not really that bad, she will get better.  My wife knows I don't like her, I admitted as much, I feel extremely guilty for that, but it's true.  This child causes nothing but chaos and has caused a lot of heartache, and I know it's only going to get worse.  I don't know where to turn anymore, I just want some relief, we all do, but wife is in and out of denial.  I have no one to talk to about it, no one that understands.  Wife and I argue about it when we talk.  I want help and want to tell the proper authorities about this, but who, I want to remain anonymous also, cause should my wife find out it's me our relationship would be over, we now have 2 wonderful sons of our own, good boys too, so far.  I love my wife and kids and can't afford to lose them, but also feel I'm gonna lose something far greater if I do nothing.  Thanks for listening.


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From: XtraMSN NicknamefemfreeSent: 11/11/2005 1:42 p.m.
Hi Omaha. What a horrible situation. I think of all the horrors you've written about this one scares me the most.
 
Caught in the act of holding her 3 yr old bro on floor, face down, standing on his back.  and how she had planned to suffocate them both and she would have to stab her with a kitchen knife..
 
Now, 2 years later and there's serious physical violence to the child. And, being in a step parent situation can be another problem too. Is there a father in the picture? I guess the reason I ask is that due to the physical danger to these children, if there's a father in the picture then perhaps he can have custody in such a way that you and your wife only have supervised visitation with this child. However, in real life, often that's not possible. 
 
I'm sure you're aware that where there's a danger - to the mentally affected person or others, more can be done. What that is depends on where you live and what resources are available.  All I can advise is to 'don't argue' with her. No means no, that's my (our) decision. End of discussion. Say no more. I hope your wife can get over her denial. Do you have a journal of events that have happened?
 
Her cruel nature is terrifying to say the least. Pets cowering and running away would seem to indicate that there is abuse going on to them when no one is looking.
 
Please ask the medical people who have diagnosed your daughter for help. They're the ones to get the medical wheels in motion with knowledge of what's going on in the event that this girl needs to be removed from the home, or that you need to take your boys and flee.
 
Hugs to you
femfree

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From: GabeSent: 13/11/2005 10:22 a.m.
Hi Omaha, you are in real trouble. Your step child sounds dangerous to every living thing around her. Please know where your small child is whilst your step daughter is near and I would rehome the pets who sound as though they are being tortured. Keeping a constant eye on the more vulnerable members of the family and having no pets is just a part of the price you pay by having one of these children. Also be prepared to call in the police at any time and adjust to the fact that you will have to, another cost of being the parent of these children. Until your stepdaughter finally leaves home your catchphrase will be "constant vigilance"and "don't give an inch". From my experience you will have to find a way to become strong because the great majority of the population have no idea what it is like to live for 18 or more years with a narcissist and so you won't get a lot of support. Good luck and I hope that you find the strength you need, regards Gabe

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From: XtraMSN NicknameExhaustedBurnout1Sent: 16/11/2005 7:55 a.m.
Gabe thanks for your support and advice, I do the best I can, however my wife, her mother is in severe denial.  It is taking a severe toll on our marriage, my wife seems to think some of her words are just that, talkin big, doesn't mean it.  She is much sneakier now that I have confronted her with her actions, what bothers me most is my wife thinks it's ok to let her babysit our 2 little boys.  I'm numb most of the time and exhausted mentally the other.  Thanks again


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From: GabeSent: 17/11/2005 5:19 a.m.
Hi Omaha, I hope you are having a good day. Maybe if you stand firm and take a hard consistent line with this child she will realize that she gets nowhere with you and will play all of her tricks on your enabling wife which sad to say may be the only way your wife will come to believe there is a problem. As you know, N's love to play their games and it is so much more fun for them to have a willing victim. Coming to terms with the fact that you have a monster for a daughter is a huge adjustment and something that each of us has to come to terms with in our own time. Your daughter will take care of this.
On the other hand, accepting the fact is a relief from the self blame and guilt that we feel as parents of these children and enables us to act appropriately toward them. I look at my son as having a huge mental handicap which makes me able to love him but I never give an inch and although he still tries to manipulate my husband and I we are ready for him. You sound as though a counsellor would help you to deal with this situation, it is too big to bear alone. At least until your wife faces the reallity of the daughter. Good luck Omaha, stay strong, Gabe

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From: XtraMSN NicknameExhaustedBurnout1Sent: 13/12/2005 9:25 a.m.
Hi femfree,  haven't been here in awhile.  Her father is involved to a degree, she spends a whole week in the summer and at xmas.  According to my wife he himself has hurt animals, broke a dogs leg they used to own, and he used to beat her until she left him.  I don't have a journal, but have a pretty good memory for when things like that have happened, afraid to keep a journal, don't want wife to find it, even though she's aware of what's being done.  Thanks for the advice

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From: XtraMSN NicknamespidervikeSent: 2/06/2006 5:28 a.m.
you should be very careful she will make the abuse story sound so good that police will ge involved  make notes and try to get as many doctors to say that she is mental ill and if she is on meds that make sure that is said.  Any time the police are called get the report number so they can look the last report up very quickly.  the more reports the better for you.  Your kids can never and i mean never be left alone with her because that is your weak spot and will hurt them.  She will do it anyway, but you can be there for them.  I have gotten to a point where my daughter is not allowed in the house unless me or my husband are there due to the problems we face.  They do have alarms for the doors if they are opened they make noise put one on the outside of her door or that of your other children.  Good luck

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamedj7106Sent: 2/06/2006 7:16 a.m.
Gosh Exhausted..I'm sorry about your situation. You have alot of difficult issues. The biggest hurdle is your wife, who will probably always stick up for the child as she'll feel like she is protecting her, especially since you told her you didn't like the child (mistake in my opinion), even tho it's true. If I was you, being in a step-parent role, I would try to let her do the parenting/disciplining as much as possible. Just stick to the facts when you're talking about what the child does. Do not leave this child with the other children, this is your decision to make as those are your kids and you have to protect them, no matter what the wife says. I think at the very least you need family counseling, as you have 5 rough years ahead. It took me years to see my daughter for what she really was. I think this is the case for many moms and if there is a step-parent involved, the mom just has an instinct to protect the child at all cost. Hope you stick around here...this place has helped me so much. d.j.

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From: JillySent: 4/06/2006 5:34 a.m.
Am I missing something? This post is from November 2005.

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From: XtraMSN Nicknamedj7106Sent: 4/06/2006 5:41 a.m.
Good catch Jilly! >>LOL. ..Looks like spidervike replied to a very old post. I didn't even look at the date..LOL. d.j.

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From: XtraMSN NicknamespidervikeSent: 4/06/2006 10:43 p.m.
your wright i did not look at the date and am sorry

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From: JillySent: 5/06/2006 5:23 a.m.
No problem. I just wish I knew what happened with them. They had a lot of similarities to my own situation.

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