What can we do?.well, if you find the answer to that one, please let me know. I have tried everything I can to help P here..and nothing has worked.and all I achieved was losing money trying to help her and getting myself more and more confused in the process. I knew P was odd and different from a very early age.......so manipulative.but I thought, well, this is who she is...I have supported and helped her and always defended her..but there just comes a time when enough is enough. I don't think we are aware that things are as bad as they are with our kids..cos we don't want to be aware, it is so painful.