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| | From:  hrh_Sammi (Original Message) | Sent: 6/12/2005 7:17 PM |
I have been to 6 Doctors have 3 herniated disks and cannot even get an asprin. Is there a trick to getting help? I cannot stand the pain any more and want to get rid of it any way that I can. |
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| | | From: Dan | Sent: 6/12/2005 10:42 PM |
Yeah, there is. The trick is you tell them you don't want narcotics. Or anyway, you want very few narcotics. I know. I know. It sounds goofy. But it works. Here's the way it works. So often we go to our doctors and ask for pain meds, only to be told "No". And then we're labeled "drug seekers". "How did this happen," We ask ourselves? "We just wanted to control our pain!" Well, we went about it the wrong way. Any time a patient asks for narcotics, any doctor's warning bells are going to go off. They don't like that. It's just a knee jerk reaction that's been beaten into them over the years. So what do we do? Well here's what works. First we've got to show them something they can deal with. Doctors like numbers. So keep a pain diary, and every day write down your pain level for that day on a scale of 1 to 10. There's a sample pain chart on this site. Use it to make one of your own that relates to you. Over on the left is a "Sample Pain Graph". Open that up to see what I'm talking about. Take that with you to your doctor. Tell your doctor you want the LEAST amount of narcotic that it will take to control your pain, but you want it controlled. They will love that. They never hear that. Then let them decide what to give you. Take it for a while (a few days should be enough). Continue to keep your pain diary. Then go back and show the doctor what effect it's having on your pain. Let the doctor decide what to do to provide better pain control. Accept more narcotics reluctantly. Ask if there's not something else that would help so you wouldn't have to take the narcotic. Who knows, maybe there is. It might take a little longer to get to a theraputic dose and to where you're staying ahead of the pain curve. I guarantee you though, this will cut down on your doctor shopping. Couple more things. Always communicate clearly about your narcotics. If you're going to need an early prescription for a trip or something, tell your doctor as soon as you know that you're going to need it, even if it's six months early. Make sure it's OK with him or her for you to get an early prescription for a trip. Don't spring it on him or her at the last minute. We've seen disasters from that. If you loose a narcotic prescription, that's a very big deal. Don't do it. Well, you can do it once every 5 years or so. OK I hope this helps. Good luck. Dan |
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| | | From: mattW76 | Sent: 8/20/2005 7:04 PM |
keep complaning untill they give you the meds that work i went through 3 years of hell before i found a docter willing to help rember the skweeky wheel gets the grease. i hope every thing works out |
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What type of doctors are you seeing? My GP loves to write scripts for like it was candy, the ortho surgeon asks what my therapist wants me to have and the neurosurgeon won't prescribe any at all. I am thinking it depends on who you see. Also I was told it helps, or helps here in NC if you are in some type of therapy either with a psychiatrist or a psychologist to refer you. Good luck and keep us updated! Hugs, Maryan |
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Good luck! I have 3 herniated discs in lumbar spine impinging on nerve; 3 herniated discs in my cervical spine; fibromyalgia, chronic cervical and shoulder girdle sprain/strain with tender trigger points in the left upper trapezius; arithritis, bursitis, stenosis of spine, bone spurs, degenerative disc disease of lumbar and cervical spine, bilateral occipita neuralgial, osteoarithris, nerve damage to the balls of my feet . . . uh-mmmm I think there is more but I can't think of them now. My point of all this medical history is, even with all of this, I cannot get treatment for my pain from any doctors in this area. I know there are disreputible ones who will "play the game" I just don't know who they are. I read about their arrests occasionally in the paper for being a drug pusher. I don't mean to come across as sarcastic, but finding a pain doctor that will treat you with meds that will work is not an easy task and could take years before the doctor believes you and even then it's an uphill battle. A good doctor is hard to find. I've been through quite a few orthopedics, chiropractors, neurologists locally. Went to Cleveland Clinic 2x for evaluation. Saw the same doctor. First time he examined me he recommended surgery that I declined. Second exam 3 years later looks at me and says there no reason for surgery. Go figure? Left there thoroughly confused My PCP will not get involved in treatment of pain. She has been burned too many times by patients that she will not treat cronic pain. She refers to a specialist. doctors are under the gun by the DEA, State Pharmacy boards, Medical Boards. It just really pi$$@$ me off that the illegal drug users and abusers have made it almost imppossible for one truly in need for these meds to have access to them. Wow! Sorry so long, talking about medications gets me cranked up. I'd like to switch bodies for just 1 day with my doctor, how about you folks?  |
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P.S. I'm also 60 years old and have had this pain for over 30 years.  |
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The doctor I was seeing always made me feel like a druggy. I hated that so much. If I was sick and went to see her, she would make me feel like it was all in my head, because I suffer depression. I got to tired of her making me feel like all I wanted was drugs, so I stopped going to her. Noora |
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| | | From: Dan | Sent: 4/23/2006 12:00 AM |
Fire her, Noora. Get rid of that doctor and try another one. Actually, try to get a referal to a pain clinic at this point. If she had treated your pain and gotten you come help with your problems you wouldn't be in the situation you're in today. Shame on her. She doesn't deserve to be called a "doctor". This is NOT your fault. Noora. Find a new doctor, hon. And if you don't like the new one, keep trying until you find one you do like. OK? Lots of love and healing hugs, Dan |
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For whoever said in here about wishing your dr had this, I do too.Let those fat cat drs.sit in their dr chair and hurt like we dojust long enough to see the feeling of knowledge that we aren't going to get much better.Some drs have no heart or soul.They expect us to just be in pain all the time and do nothing.Ya its so bad if you just need something to help control the pain,they treat you like you are on Heroin or something. Getting drs to give us scrips for pain is like pulling hens teeth most of the time.I think too the dea is on their tails too. But some act like they dont even acknowledge it, and IF they do,they dont know what to do about it,in most cases dont even WANT to know how to help us. At lease thats the way it is with f .m. Sorry I wrote a book,I have alot of anger for the medical proffession Huggs, rest well,Dyan |
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| | | From: AχPill | Sent: 10/3/2007 4:31 PM |
I am in so with you, Dylan. I have been having a hard time getting treatment for my back, my family doctor started me on Darvocets 2 months ago. I have got some relief but not much, I need something to where I can function I called the doctor Monday had them schedule an appt with him for tomorrow I hope to God that he gives me something stronger. Darvocet is nothing. I have been on Lortabs and Percocets, I think the percocets are better, than the others pain killers, but I know better not to mention any drug names, that's a RED Flag - drug seekers. I say the same thing about doctors being in our shoes for a day or two, then they'll see how we "really" feel. Good luck! -Andrea |
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Hello Fellow Chronic Pain Patients, It's been my experience since I was 12 (when I had my teeth pulled for braces) I got an infection in my jaw and no one could figure out what had happened. It took 15 years to learn I have Chronic Diffused Scerlosing Osteomyilites of the mandible and skull, by that time. It's bascially CROMs disease. I had years of surgery, spent days on end in the Hyper Barick Oxygen Chamber at major learning hospitals in the US. Long Island Jewish, Mount Sanai, NYC, University of Miami, Florida Hospital Orlando... I was lucky to have great insurance along the way, however pain management was a real test. My surgeon helped me get addicted to Demerol for the eight years he treated me. All of a sudden he dropped me because it wasn't helping anymore. They get you addicted then drop you. I detoxed, with no relief. I went to a Psychiatrist to help maintain my pain. He treated me for four years and then prescribed Methedone for my pain. Methedone was created by Hitler for his mistress, Hilda Braun. She had chronic back pain. Anyway, my shrink decided to send me to a Methedone Clinic which I did not belong. I did this for a few years. Then when I moved to Savannah, GA my primary care doctor sent me to a Pain Mangament Dr. He was great. He listened, gave me my methedone and percocet for bleed thru pain. Unfortunately he left the area. I was then put in the hands of another Pain Management Dr., he was great for awhile, then when he checked labs to the tune of $1,500.00 to me, he found a low level of marijuana in my system. He dismissed me from his practice. So, please don't handle your pain on your own. It's unacceptable. Next, I was going to a Detox/Pain Managemet Dr. This guy was very hard to deal with. He lowered my methedone level, (my hands were tied) and took all break thru pain meds away right off the bat. I kept with this guy until I had surgery on my Achilles Tendon on my right leg. My pain Dr. said he wanted total control of my meds for pain. When it came time ( 2 days before surgery) I called his office requesting a prescription for meds because my surgery was on a friday and I was being kept overnight due to the pain of the surgery. He yelled at me over the telephone and hung up on me. I was baffled. I was trying to follow his instruction. Anyway, my husband went to pick up the prescription. After surgery, and bear in mind I cannot walk at all, and my home has 17 stairs to come down to go out, this pain Dr. demanded that I come see him. He treated me ok for this visit. Mean while I had in the back of my mind, (how dare you yell at me and hang up on me when I was just following your ridiculous rules) A month after my surgery (keeping in mind my surgeon agrees that pain meds are still needed) my pain Dr. says he cannot handle my case any longer. I did everything this guy asked of me and that's the way I got treated. I knew he would do this the day he hung up on me. He was just covering his rear end. These are bad experiences that I have had. Just remember that your pain is real and don't stop searching because there are Doctors out there that can help. It helps to have a primary care Dr. to help find Pain Management Dr's for you. I've always been dead honest. When you have chronic pain there is no doubt that you become addicted. Having a Psychiatrist at first then follow with a Psychologist really helps. Learning breathing exercises is a great help. Everyone with Chronic Pain holds their breathe for longer than you think. You hold your shoulders tight. Your eyebrows are in the serious position. These are all signs of chronic pain that we all share. I have lost my entire career over my pain. I try so hard to pick my head up everyday. Yes, there are days I cannot get out of bed, because I have no fight in me. Taking medication is only part of Pain Management. When you discuss with a Dr., ask for other methods of help beyond the meds. This is what will help, and what they want to see. I'm 49 now and I've been fighting this for 37 years. I hope some of you get something out of this, if you have any questions, please ask. Unfortunately, it's become my life ... I offer my friendship and love to all. Thank you for reading. |
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I HAVE 1` WORD FOR PAIN KADIAN......IS AWSOME |
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