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From: MSN Nicknamedochighbar  (Original Message)Sent: 6/15/2005 4:21 AM

Hello,

My name is Kimberly. I suffer from a genetic disease that effects my intestines and urinary system. I have Interstitial Cystitis as a result. I have had it for over 15 years, and have a neurostimulator implant that offers some relief.

I thought IC was the most painful thing ever. I was so wrong. I also have Hollow Visceral Neuropathy, which effects the function of my bowels. I have been hospitalized a number of times with complications.

I see a pain management specialist for care. I take cancer pain meds for some relief, but I am to the point I can't afford my meds. I sleep all the time, and unfortunately it is affecting my marriage. I hope someone here can offer me some support.

I am a full time college student, but need some help because I will eventually have to go back to work.

 



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From: MSN NicknameTheboysmom16131Sent: 6/15/2005 2:26 PM
Welcome Kimberly, I wish I could give you some adive to make it all go away.  I can't though, I suffer from RSD all over my body and I too and having problems with my marriage because of it.  You have come to a great, loving group here.  You WILL get some great adivce from the members here and you will find that you have become part of this family in a very short time.  Welcome, and I'm sorry for all that you are having to go through. Hollow Visceral Neuropathy, I have never heard of this before.  Can you tell me more about it and what it does to you?  Your going to love it here!!  Anne-marie

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From: DanSent: 6/16/2005 12:29 AM
Hi, Kimberly.  Welcome to the family.  I'm Dan, one of the managers here. 
 
My goodness, those are two conditions I've not heard of.  Most of us have orthopedic problems, or problems with bones and muscles.  Your problems are urogenital and gastrointestinal, and unrelated to each other.  At least, as near as I can tell they are. 
 
You say you cannot afford your meds?  What pain meds did your doctor have you on?  Were they narcotics?  If they were cancer meds then I assume they were. 
 
There are some very affordable narcotics on the market.  Methadone is probably the cheapest and most effective.  A consideration for you, with your viceral neuropathy is that it is constipating, as are most narcotics.  However, that's easily managed in various ways for most people.  Your gastrointestinal condition could complicate that.  I'm not sure. 
 
I don't know how you can keep up with a full time college load with those medical conditions.  God bless you.  That's got to be very tough.  What school do you attend and what are you studying? 
 
Welcome again, Kimberly.  Let us know if you have any questions. 
 
Healing hugs and lots of love,  
 
Dan
 
PS.  Could you use a little larget font so old farts like me can see the posts better?  Thanks. 

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From: MSN NicknamedochighbarSent: 6/16/2005 1:47 AM
Hi Anne-Marie,
I was so glad to receive your email. I have a niece that is suffering also, and I referred her to the site last night after I found it. I had 23 emails when I got home. I've never had that many in a day!
 
Hollow Visceral Neuropathy involves the "hollow" organs. For me, it affects my heart, bladder and intestines. This is a newly identified problem that is described as genetic in nature. The symptoms are seizures in these organs. I really don't have problems with my heart, but I do have seizures in my bladder and intestines, which give me the most problems. They are very painful. I take Klonipin, which makes me sleep a lot. My intestines do not function properly. One portion can be having seizures, which in their worst state produce diarrhea, the next section of the bowel can be constipated, and the next may have a lot of gas. Some patients with this actually lose parts of their intestines due to severe seizures that cut off the blood circulation long enough for it to die.
 
As I said in my letter, I also have Interstitial Cystitis in my bladder, which I used to think was the most painful thing in the world. It has now faded somewhat due to the severe pain I have in my bladder. I had an interstim implanted about 10 months ago, and it helps when my bladder pain is too great.
 
I am currently taking Actiq for severe pain, but I am about out, and can't afford more. I was disabled on the job and am retraining at the local college. My hubby was laid off, so we don't have any insurance. I'm afraid I'm going to be in a bad way very soon. I went to Mexico to try to get some of my meds, but they didn't have them.
 
You mentioned you suffer from RSD. I am not familiar with the name. What is it?
 
Thanks for writing and please write back soon. It was nice meeting you!
 
Kimberly

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From: MSN NicknamedochighbarSent: 6/27/2005 12:58 AM
Hello Dan,
 
Thank you for writing. I'm sorry I have taken so long to respond. I have been very busy with college, studying, caring for my family, and being so ill. I am currently attending the Victoria College in Victoria, Texas. I am completing my prerequisites for the RN, BSN program. I received a 4 year scholarship through Texas Rehabilitation after being injured on duty during a violent arrest of three subjects intoxicated on methamphetamine. Bad stuff. I have been a police patrol officer for 16 years, even with my illnesses. Had I not been hurt, though, I would probably be medically retired by now. My illness has progressed at an alarming rate in the last year and a half.
 
You are not alone in your lack of knowledge concerning my illness. It is a genetic problem I was born with as a complication of being an Rh baby back before there was a treatment for it. I was the third of three Rh babies, and thankfully the last. I am the only one affected medically. Both conditions are caused by the genetic factor. I had endometriosis as a young woman, and lost a child as a result of it.
 
This disorder is a fairly new problem that was first discovered by a gastroenterologist, Dr. John Malathias, in Houston. He uses an instrument, which he and an associate developed, to measure electrical impulses in the intestine. To measure a patients electrical activity, the patient comes in after fasting and lays down in a comfortable recliner, and electrodes are placed about the patients stomach. The patient is instructed to lay perfectly still for half an hour. After half an hour, the patient is given something to drink and instructed to lay back down and remain perfectly still for half an hour. During that time, the instrument measures the increase in electrical activity in the intestine. It produces a printout similar to that of an EKG. A normal readout should produce identical peaks and valleys. In a patient with Hollow Visceral Neuropathy, the peaks and valleys do not match, indicating seizure activity in the intestine. In reality, these uncoordinated electrical charges result in poor intestinal efficiency. A patient can simultaneously have gas, constipation and diarrhea in several places in their intestines. This all produces pain, occasionally moderate to severe, depending on the patient and their state of health, (or lack of). Long term, it can result in severe weight loss, obstructions, impactions, the death of sections of intestine due to a constricture of the blood supply caused by severe seizure activity, excess flatulence, nausea, vomiting, and weakness. A terrible mix.
 
It was explained to me to be caused by a sensitivity to insulin. Foods that cause the body to create insulin are to be almost totally eliminated from the diet. That includes all breads, sugars, margarines, red meats (including pork), carrots, corn, pastas, potatoes, etc. The diet is much too strict. It is  too strict for me to follow, as I am allergic to dairy products, which are an unlimited food item on the diet, and consists of a large portion of the allowable foods. Therefore, I suffer more than others. The doctor is not very understanding when I come in with problems. I have tried to explain my problem with the diet, but he is not very understanding. I am so tired of having unflavored 3 minute oatmeal and eggs for breakfast I could scream, but that is all that is allowed. He tells me to stop thinking of breakfast as breakfast, but consider it as I would any other meal. He suggested I try more recipes using chicken or fish. ( The only meats I am allowed. I am SO tired of them after already having them two meals a day for almost 2 years now. They are OK, but my body craves more of a variety.)
 
He explained that the Interstitial Cystitis (IC) is a symptom of the HVN. According to him, endometriosis is an early symptom of this disorder. I imagine if this is true, many women have it and do not realize where their true problem originates. This disorder is so newly identified, very few gastroenterologist's recognize it, and treat the symptoms, not the problem.
 
I just saw my pain management physician last week. He has prescribed Fentanyl 50mg. patches to treat my pain. THEY ARE WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a life again. I was sleeping almost 18 hours a day prior to using them. I am now up and working out in the yard, walking, and enjoying my family. I feel SO much better. Fortunately, these patches are covered by a patient assistance program. They doctor gave me the forms to fill out, and I will return them on Monday. I also sent in forms to receive ELMIRON, which is a drug used specifically to treat IC. I was told that a side effect would be the loss of my hair, but so far I have only lost about half. My hair was really thick, so it was actually a blessing considering the heat here. I plan to start contacting the other drug manufacturers this week.
 
Thanks for writing me. I'm sorry it took so long to write back. I am currently on the Dean's list, and stay there by studying a lot. There never seems to be enough hours in the day, but yet I don't think I could handle more if they were offered. I am so tired at the end of the day.
 
Kimberly
 
 

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From: shellzee212Sent: 6/27/2005 3:36 AM
kimberly,
 
I want to commend you for your bravery and for your ambition in your treatment.
 
I am sure you know we all suffer from some sort of pain or out loved ones do.
 
I did get a chance to read a bit about your illness. I am sorry for your pain.
I understand bladder pain as I used to have kidney stones back when I was 21.
I went through surgery to get mine removed but god, it hurt so bad. I am sure mine was minor compared to your condition.
 
I had gotten married at a very young age, 20 and was suffering from terrible migraines at the time. I slept half the day. I was divorced before my 21st bday because my exhusband was a jerk and didn't understand how much pain and depression I was going through.
 
Right now, I suffer from Tendinitis in my right hand and found this group. These guys are great, feel free to post anything you want. Everyone here is very helpful.
 
Congrats on your journey in finding pain management.
 
Shelly

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From: MSN NicknameJannalouSent: 1/5/2006 8:31 PM
I am a new member, but I cannot seem to post to the group.  I am not new to a computer so hopefully it is something that someone can fix on the site somewhere.  When I click on "reply" to a message nothing happens. :(  Is it because I am new and someone has to approve me?  My nick is jannalou, but I am Jan.  I have had 5 back surgeries, and 2 knee replacements.  I have permanent nerve damage from the back surgeries.  That's all for now.  Hope I can post.  Take care all.  :o)   Jannalou.
 


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From: lindaSent: 3/2/2006 7:08 AM
Hello Kimberly,
 
I was just kinda' surfing around on the web, and I found this message board.  I too was diagnosed with Hollow Visceral Neuropathy by Dr. Mathias in Houston.  I was just kinda' wondering how you are doing.  I've been ill for about 15 years myself.  I feel like Dr. M did a good job in finding a diagnosis for me and in beginning a treatment plan; however, I'm really starting to get frustrated with him.  I don't feel like he really listens.  In fact, I don't think he's done much of anything for me in a long time, but I keep going because I don't know of any other doctor that deals with this.
I hope you are well, or at least as well as you can be.

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From: DanSent: 3/3/2006 12:46 AM
Hi, Linda.  Welcome to the family.  I'm sorry you have such a terrible condition.  It sounds like it's one of those conditions that would just be something that would drive one up the wall. 
 
I wonder where this doctor came up with this treatment, and how he figures that milk and fish and chicken and eggs don't produce insulin in your body.  It would seem to me they would, being either high protein or in the case of milk, metabolizing to sugar.  It just doesn't make sense to me, but then, I'm not either a doctor nor a dietician nor a someone knowlegable about diabetes. 
 
However, I do know about food allergies, and it sounds to me like this sure could be caused by being allergic to some foods.  Also, if you noticed, Kimberly got some Fentinyl patches and they helped her tremendously.  In fact, we've not seen much of her.  And that is usually a sign that someone is doing very well. 
 
You might try e-mailing her.  She gives her e-mail address as [email protected] . 
 
Anyway, welcome again.  let us know if there's anything we can do to help. 
 
Meanwhile, Jan?  We've not seen much of you since you posted this, have we?  Have you not been able to get back?  Somehow this must have slipped by my crack stack because there's not responses to it.  For that I'm truly sorry.  I hope you give us another  chance. 
 
Hugs and lots of love,
 
Dan

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