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Politics-HotTpic : Kerry's "Health Plan"
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From: Cyndy  (Original Message)Sent: 10/15/2004 6:22 AM
Somebody needs to pin that man down.  He claims everyone that wants to will be able to BUY into the same plan that Congress now has.  Uh huh.  What he doesn't say is that they get theirs for free from the government; meaning US, the taxpayer.  WE fund their multitude of perks, their ridiculous salaries, their free postage, their assistants, their health care, all the other nifty little bonuses they have.  And we will be able to BUY into their health plan under Kerry's system?  Gee, how nice of him.  He has Blue Cross-Blue Shield, which is pretty much the most expensive health insurance there is.  I know, I used to have it when I worked for the telephone company.  I doubt Kerry has a clue. It just cracks me up everytime he says "I have a plan..." as if he's going to singlehandedly fix every problem in this country without raising taxes, without lowering benefits, without losing jobs.  Sorry, Kerry, but it's not possible.  You'd need to be a magician.  Clinton promised national health care, too, and look what happened to that.  No, I don't want Kerry to be President; he scares the hell out of me.  The man can't even stick to a simple question without bouncing all over creation.  Ask him about domestic issues and he lands on Osama bin Laden and Iraq.  FOCUS, man, focus!  As far as I'm concerned, President Bush came out miles ahead in all of the debates.
Cyndy


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From: MSN NicknameDoofiebutt421Sent: 10/15/2004 2:22 PM
Cyndy,
You've opened a can of worms with me on this one....
Clinton couldn't/wouldn't/didn't do anything in that office /cept chase Monica around the dang desk. Bush went in to one helluva mess to clean up.
Kerry is one smooth talker, but( and I say this in the nicest way possible...) he screwed up when he said he married "UP"....he married a woman who has NO CLASS. Money? Yes, but No CLASS.... We don't need an idiot like her in the White House to insult dignitaries from across the pond who try to help us.
When I went to the State Fair, there were booths set up for the Army, Air Force, Marines, etc. I was talking to these guys ...three had done their stints in Iraq and Afghanistan...they ALL said they wanted Bush back in office....they were praying Kerry didin't get in. So, that told me alot, which I plan to vote Republican anyways.
All you ever hear outta Kerry is "I'VE GOT A PLAN"....well, Mr. Kerry...please tell us all about your plan! But please by all means get your facts straight first.

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From: MSN NicknametheboysmomtjSent: 10/15/2004 4:01 PM
AMEN

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From: MSN NicknameIamoutatimeSent: 10/15/2004 4:03 PM
Cyndy,
He scares the crap out of me too!
With his phrase he always says,,,"I have a plan"
He touches whatever that plan may be but never has said once what any plan really is. It seems to me that he is being controlled by someone else. Acting like a figurehead for others or some other that can't have the job.
He scares so many people that they will run from him.
I know a lot of people in the military and there are quite a few who (If by chance Kerry is elected) they will quit the military when their contract is finished. Those who wanted to make a career of the military will stop. Then where will we be with a lot of people running from the military. Under Kerry, the draft could come back. because they are really scared of him.
In all my reading and remembering April 1971 when he spoke about what all the military was doing in Southeast Asia tells me everything I need to know about him. Actually I am suprised that he got to be a Senator, with his actions at that time I am really supprised that he was not charged with a very serious crime, Like Jane Fonda should have been too.
Health Care,,,Kerry said he had Blue Cross, Blue Shield...I am glad I don't have that. I may have to pay more but my prescriptions are filled each month.
Bush has said clearly what he will and will not do...take a look at Kerry's track record. If I stayed out of work compared to the meetings he has missed I would have been fired a long time ago....
Sorry to get wound up about this but,,,,he really scares me too!
 
 
Outatime

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From: DanSent: 10/16/2004 12:31 AM
OK folks.  This belongs on the political page please.  LOL 
 
I won't start on Bush. 
 
Hugs,
 
Dan

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From: MSN Nicknametomcat5162Sent: 10/16/2004 1:13 AM
AMEN SISTERS!!!!!
 
Dan, this is the political page, is it not?  It's called "Things Political", is there another place I missed?

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From: MSN NicknameDoofiebutt421Sent: 10/16/2004 1:15 AM
Danny Boy,
At the top of the first message, it says 'THINGS POLITICAL".....
Go ahead, start on Bush,.....there's enough people here to bash Kerry even more..go ahead...I d-double dare ya!!!
<doofers>

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From: MSN NicknameRabbit_hmb1Sent: 10/20/2004 10:28 PM
Cyndy-
Have you been reading my mind???  I wouldn't trust John Kerry with a $3 bill!!!  I don't give a darn what he did in Vietnam.  I DO CARE that this "supposed" Officer said what he did publicly upon his return to the USA.... (Folks, the "Winter Soldier Investigation" is just a bunch of BS and lies) and then all the crap he got up to while he was supposedly working as a Senator.....  I don't even care that he is a Liberal.  I do wish, and I'm sure that his constituents do, too, that Senator Kerry properly did his duties in the Senate.....
 
I've been cussing John Kerry out since 1983 (as well as Kennedy and a few others).  While we were testing out weapons systems at the White Sands Missile Range, we (the Military) learned that our elected officials kept messing around with the funding and we would have stop testing new systems, thereby slowing down getting these new weapons to our military!
 
Kerry, Kennedy, et al, have earned no respect from the majority of the Military members.  The "leaders" have voted away many of the rights and few perqs that we had, in the Military.
 
I don't always agree with President Bush.... especially his stance on illegal immigrants - giving them a chance to become US Citizens.  It didn't work when President Reagan did it.  Still, President Bush has my vote.  He inherited an economy that was starting to tank (check the old newspaper Business sections) and then 11 Sep 01 happened.
 
Concerning health care, there is no guaranteed right to it.  I believe that our Government should help those who need it.  I earned my health care benefits by literally bleeding for it.  I put 12 years in the Navy and Army and was injured in training....  I earned my benefits!
 
Okay, I'm starting to rant so I'd best stop here....
 
Thanks, Cyndy.<Smooch>
 
Harvey

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From: DanSent: 10/21/2004 1:47 AM
Oops.  I thought it was on the general page.  Doh.  Sorry. 
 
Oh goody, then I can answer.  Whoopeee!!! 
 
Well, at least Kerry wants to try to get a health plan for everyone.  What did Bush do?  He raised Medicare costs.  He put in a worthless drug prescription plan.  Has anyone read that plan?  It's worthless.  Well, I suppose if you were paying for every drug it would help some.  But I tell ya, where he REALLY could have helped was to give Medicare the power to negotiate prices with the drug companies.  But nooooooo.  He made it ILLEGAL!!! 
I mean, you gotta have a hard time defending THAT. 
 
As for people quitting the military.  Sorry folks.  They can't.  Bush won't let them.  They have to stay past their dates of termination of service.  No one is getting out of the service right now, unless they are dead or disabled.  That's the "back door draft" they're talking about.  So fine.  If Kerry gets in, they may be allowed to quit.  Maybe that's what they were saying. 
 
Bush took a huge surplus and made it into a record deficit.  Don't blame that on Clinton.  And don't blame that on 9/11.  Blame that on a misbegotten huge tax cut for the wealthiest 2% of Americans and another huge tax cut for corporate America, and tax loopholes for those who took jobs overseas.  (Remember how he said before the election how "The vast majority of my tax cuts are for the middle class."  Hmmmmm.  What happened to THAT?)  Then blame it on a war that's ill conceived and poorly executed once the country was taken.  No plan to win the peace.  That's exactly what his dad warned about in his book and gave as his main reason for stopping short of Bagdad.   
 
Our military is doing wonders given their tasks, lack of equipment, and general poor management from the top down.  (Are you following the story of the soldiers who refused to take a mission because their equipment was bad)  And don't blame Kerry for that vote against equipment.  He explained that, though I'm sure you didn't listen.  Who here can tell me what he said?  I bet not one. 
 
See, it's kinda sad when you hear only what you want to hear.  It's like that "global test" thing.  I heard what he had to say.  It wasn't about giving up his right to defend the country.  How they spun that I'll never know.  But there it was, spun as big as you please, one phrase spun to make it look as if Kerry was going to have to ask the UN for permission to protect our shores.  Sheesh.  That's so wrong, but typical of Carl Rove and G"Dubya"B.
 
And finally, there's our standing in the world.  Bush has squandered all the good feelings the world had for us post 9/11.  The world pretty much hates Bush.  Most of our allies hate him.  The populace of our allies hate him.  Most of the leaders of our allies have decided they can't work with the man.  Wake up!!!  We can't do it in this modern world alone.  We need our friends at our side. 
 
John Kerry looked the statesman baside Bush during the debates.  He acted the statesman.  He laid out his plans.  They were well thought out, and they were realistic and doable.
 
OK I had my say.  LOL  Guess who I'm gonna vote for, not that it will make a whit of difference in Texas.  <Sigh>
 
I actually did find some other Democrats though here in Denton.  I was amazed.  I thought I was the only one. 
 
Dan
 

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From: MSN Nickname3MayTensSent: 10/21/2004 2:32 AM
THANK YOU DAN....AS A FELLOW DEMOCRAT, THINK YOU COULD WRANGLE AN ABSENTEE BALLOT FOR KERRY IN FLORIDA? AFTER ALL, WE'RE A BATTLEGROUND STATE AND AS YOU SAID, YOUR VOTE WON'T BE WORTH MUCH IN TEXAS.
 
NANCY FOX

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From: MSN NicknameDoofiebutt421Sent: 10/21/2004 2:38 PM
MSN ate my other reply to another post, let's see if it eats this one.
I was appaulled by Kerry's response "I married up"...did he really mena that he monked up by marrying that witch he's married to? He insulted many people when he said that.
But you know, every time I see him, he looks like a wax dummy.
If he's really raised Catholic, why is he for abortion? There are so mabny things about he I can't stand!@!!!!
I pray so hard for Bush to go back in.
 

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From: DanSent: 10/23/2004 12:52 AM
Doofers!!!  See?  You need to listen better. 
 
I can't address the "married up" comment.  I think he just was saying he thought he was a lucky man when he married his wife.  Again, I really don't know.  You're the only person I know that was offended by that comment though.  And I don't 'know why you think Mrs. Kerry is a "witch".  Or is that what you call any wife of a Democratic politician?  LOL 
 
But as for the abortion issue, what he said was that he wouldn't put his values on others.  What said he believed was that each woman had the right to make that choice for herself, based on her own personal relationship with God and her doctor. 
 
That's what he said.  (Paraphrased.)
 
Personally, I would rather have a president who doesn't want to lay his own personal morality on others through the force of Federal law.  I don't believe it works to legislate morality.  I think we saw that with the 19th amendment.  It just didn't work.  It created a whole new class of lawbreaker, people who otherwise were law abiding citizens were suddenly outside the law when they bought and consumed alcohol. 
 
And it created a whole new class of criminal when it created a demand for illegal booze.  Outlawing abortion will have the same effect. 
 
I personally hate abortion.  I told the Vet, when I took a stray in to have her spayed not to do the job if she was pregnant.  I would let her have the kittens and I would give the kittens away and THEN we would have her spayed, but do NOT abort those kittens.  That's how strongly I feel about life. 
 
But I'm not young, female and pregnant, facing that choice.  And I've known young women who've made that choice.  It was right for them at that time.  I hated that they were doing it, but I supported them and their choice.  Do you see? 
 
I see no dichotomy in that stand.  If you call it "flip flopping" then I guess I do it too.  But I personally find no problem in defending a person's right to do something I personally deplore. 
 
I defend your right to say Bush should be re-elected after all.  And if there's anything in the world right now I genuinely deplore, it's that.  LOL 
 
But I still love you, Doofers.   
 
Dan
 
PS.
 
OK.  Just kidding about deploring your right to say Bush should be re-elected.  But it made a great closing line, and I couldn't resist it.   

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From: nanpSent: 4/15/2005 9:23 PM
i think we should have one of each repuiblican and democrate i think that if you have republic presdent you should have demo vice . That way they can stop fighting and get somthing done the only real losers of eletion is us .I think all insurance premimes should be boycott untill they help fix it. hugs nan

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