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From: MSN NicknameBdunbarRunner1  (Original Message)Sent: 4/21/2005 5:33 AM
Hi.  My name is Brett and I am 25 years old.  I have type 1 diabetes but I've been a very competitive distance runner since I was 12.  I ran in high school and even ran in college.  I currently log anywhere from 90-120 miles per week and do two hard interval workouts per week.  I was wondering if anyone else liked to run?  I was hoping to share some insights as well and maybe even learn a few things on how to handle glucose levels better (it's tricky!).  Thanks.
 
Brett


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From: MSN NicknameCuddlesAmISent: 4/21/2005 12:07 PM
Welcome Brett to the group here,,,,,,, Wow and congrats to you for going for your goals and not letting having to struggle with dropping levels interfere!!!!  Not sure if we have some other runners here or not,,,,,, I'm afraid it might be a bit before I am up to running,,,,,, except of course if there is a fire in the building,,,,,,, lol,,,,,,,,
Hope  someone else jumps in here with you,,,,, we would love to hear how you keep your levels up during those long runs,,,,,etc.,,,,,,, Look forward to knowing how you do it!!! Hope it is a great day for you,,,, Keep smiling,, Cuddles/Kathy

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From: MSN Nicknamesafk1221Sent: 4/21/2005 2:24 PM
Hi Brett, and welcome to the group!  It's great that you run.  It keeps the weight down and your cardio fitness level up...both very important to diabetics.  Honestly, I can't run from the car to the house in the rain!  But I do walk long distances on the treadmill...around 12 miles a day.  Nothing like what you do, but I still have the low glucose issue at times.  Because you are away from your home when you run, you might want to carry glucose tabs with you.  Or instead of carrying a water bottle, you could fill it with juice.  I would be sure to test before leaving the house (I'm sure you do that already) and have a protein snack to keep your levels up before you go on a run.  I truly admire your stamina and dedication!  It will serve you well in your goals for health!  Nice meeting you!  sheryl

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From: MSN NicknameBdunbarRunner1Sent: 4/21/2005 4:01 PM
Thanks.  Yeah it's really tough.  On easy running days sometimes I have to keep looping by my house just to check it, it can change a lot in a short time when running.  Oddly though, when I increase past a certain intensity, the glucose level reverses, and increases, such as during a shorter race.  For instance, before a mile race once I was 79 and at the conclusion I was 129.  I do hate dealing and worrying about low blood glucose though, but then if you're not relatively normal you feel like crap, haha.
 
Regards,
 
Dunbar

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From: MSN NicknameangelbearsSent: 4/21/2005 5:58 PM
Bret - glad to see your post! I know I can't help you. Except - to make sure to drink water! Which I already know you do! But maybe you can help me........
 
I used to run many years ago (BTW -I'm a type 2). I used to belong to a running club. My hubby used to do marathons/bi and tri athalons. I have been trying (yes at my age! I am much more than twice your age) to build up to running - I can do 8 mins. but can't seem to get to 10 mins together. I know it's nothing compared to you. As I am sitting here typing - I am wondering if I am trying to run too fast???? Usually, when I walk on the treadmill, I do 3.4/3.5 mph and work up to 4 mph walking. I seem to run out of air when I try to run past 8 mins. - does that make since? Should I keep trying? IMO - yes! After how many mins. walking, should I try to "run"? Or should I try running first, then walking? Suggestions?
 
Sheryl - I am so impressed! 12 miles a day! WOW!
 
You both are doing fantastic!
 
Thanks for any advise ~ angelbear

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From: MSN NicknameBdunbarRunner1Sent: 4/21/2005 7:45 PM
angelbear,
 
Heck yes keep trying!!  Here's some things to keep in mind.  The most fatal mistakes anyone can make in exercise occur in the first minute.  I would guess you are execising at much too high an intensity at first.  Here's what I do.  I start out pretending I'm my grandma running, who smokes 12 packs of cigarettes per day.  Now that's slow!!  So what I do, is I force myself to exercise for 2 minutes, very slow, almost walking but kinda jogging, you know what I mean?  The I feel good as fat burning takes over and you make sure your body is working completley aerobically.  The reason you are out of air at 8 minutes is that your body has been working primarily anaerobically.  Slow is better!  I know a lot of people say that if it doesn't hurt, it doesn't help.  Nonsense.  My best races were in periods of moderate instensity workouts, not high intensity.  My suggestions:
 
Walk for 2 minutes
Run very easy, very easy, for 2 more minutes, this gets your body working primarily aerobic.
Then walk for 1 minute
Run 6 minutes
Walk 2 min
Run 4 min
Walk 2 min to cool off
 
I recommend this because look, you have ran a total of 12 minutes versus 8, which is a 150% improvement in distance, plus you walked in between.  You'll find these "intervals" to be very effective, but make sure you are running easily.  As time progresses, you can omit some walking breaks and increase some time in the running intervals.  That 6 min intervals may feel slightly challenging, but you're rewarded with a 2 minute walk break.  Good luck.
 
Regards,
 
Dunbar

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From: MSN NicknameBdunbarRunner1Sent: 4/22/2005 1:21 AM
Now for the million dollar question:  How in the heck do you run far and not drop glucose levels too much?  Simple!  Here's what I do and have done.  It's all a matter of timing.  Back with the NPH days, long ago, it was actually much easier, because NPH would "time out" whereas Lantus does not.  No worry.  Lantus works the "same" for about 24 hours.  But it's not very intense.  The "effect" of Lantus depends on dosage.  For instance, if you drop 5 mg/dL per hour on 40 units of Lantus, you'd drop say mabye, 2.5 mg/dL on 25-30 units of Lantus.  That's without exercise.  So it is very tricky.  What you have to do is take little enough Lantus so that there is no signficant drop during exercise.  There was a period of time where my insulin absorption was so great that 20 units of Lantus was almost too much to run 40 minutes.  That was tough.  So what I do is now, I can take about 30 units of Lantus and just wait until the regular or any short acting insulin is done.  Then I may have to be 160-180 mg/dL before starting, but after 10 or so miles it's down to 110-100 range.  If I run beyond 10 miles I must intake some powerade to be safe.  So all in all, it's both a tricky timing and amount of insulin technique and unfortunately is individual for each person.  I have ran for years on this approach, but you always have days where things don't make sense and don't follow what you are used to happening.  Racing?  That's a whole other explanation, kind of tricky, but easy to explain, and this is good for those who wish to also perform in intense exercises where proper blood glucose levels also impact performance (too high and you will not perform). 
 
Regards,
 
Dunbar

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From: MSN NicknameangelbearsSent: 4/22/2005 2:27 PM
Dunbar - thank you for your response! I really do appreicate it.
 
I'm glad you clarified it - 12 packs of cigs - I am a granny, but don't smoke. LOL
 
I'll try your suggestions today and see if I do better.
 
I wish I could help you!  There was someone that used to post last year that was a type 1 that also ran. I hope they check in here. Maybe someone else here will remember their name......
 
Thanks for your suggestions!
Hugs,
 

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From: MSN NicknameangelbearsSent: 4/22/2005 6:17 PM
I streched then I did as you suggested - only I walked at the end longer. Yes, it was easier going slower - gosh I felt like I could have gone longer, but didn't. I stuck with your suggestion. I picked up my feet and "jogged" at the speed I would have been walking then slowed it down on the walk part.
 
I walked at 3.2 mph, "jogged" at 3.7 mph for your whole routine. I finished up walking at 3.4 for the last 20 mins. I could feel my body adjusted/recovered after the last jog within 5 mins. I really slowed it down. Guess that was what I needed to do. I always push me.
 
Thanks for your help!
Hugs,
angelbear

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From: MSN NicknameBdunbarRunner1Sent: 4/22/2005 6:53 PM
Good to hear.  As you get fitter maybe increase pace 10%, a bit over 4.0 mph, but not until you're comfortable.  Another way to add stress is increase the time length of each run.  I am glad you got 12 minutes in then, that is great.  Good luck keep us posted.  Any other way I can help please ask.
 
Regards,
 
Dunbar

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