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Hi Sue..the link isn't coming through..only an MSN sign-in window is showing. Can you repost the link?

Yikes is right! That is VERY scary and probably isn't too far from what could be happening now.

Just opened our mail and there was a "present" from one of the razor companies for my son, who just turned 18. It was one of those razors with a card that said "Happy 18th Birthday, Alex. Every man should have a new razor."

Just a small thing really, but he asked me how they knew who he was much less that it was his 18th birthday. And I have no clue. As I said it's just a small thing, but indicative of how much info marketers have on people. And that info is sold to and used by lots of people, including the gov't.

Bummer all I'm getting when I click on the Pizza Palace.htm is a MSN sign in window and nothing else.

Marco..from your response I see that you must have been able to link through to it..probably something to do at my end.

If you see this or Sue or anyone could you copy and paste it into a message for me if you have the time...would like to see it.

Hey Sha & others- try this: http://www.wimp.com/palace/

Did you get the link sha? It's spooky in a way. Its like when I go to the store and the clerk wants my zip code....why? Either that, or she already knows it/

Thanks guys..much appreciated

Sue..no shit it's scarey stuff..this has been happening for a long time..nothing new here...it's just a smarter faster age. Government is slow moving by nature..but let's not kid ourselves..no matter the administration...somewhere behind the system and familiar faces of government the real powers that be hide..they all have a common goal and that is eventual total and complete

'control' of its citizens.

All this information gathering may appear harmless..I mean all they really want to do is generate sales and make life easier for 'us' right. What's wrong with strangers storing all of our personal information somewhere so we don't have to repeat the process all over again next time we decide to buy whatever. Tracking all we do within the privacy of our own homes..understanding our very wants..likes and needs..tailor making our buying experiences as easy as possible. Nothing wrong with that right.

Wrong.

Cause it's all an elaborate guise..the very tools that are supposed to make our lives safer and easier may be setting us up to fall. For what reason and why we ask. There are so many pssobilities and scenerio's.

“Given the capabilities of today’s technology, the only thing protecting us from a full-fledged surveillance society are the legal and political institutions we have inherited as Americans,�?he added. “Unfortunately, the September 11 attacks have led some to embrace the fallacy that weakening the Constitution will strengthen America.�?/FONT>

http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacylist.cfm?c=39

Is it any wonder then government is now making life and death decisions for private citizens...we've handed them everything on a silver platter until this point in time..we've trusted..become lazy and inept at making our own wants known..what we do and do not want our goverments to do for us. It should be called 'big mother & father.' And how are we going to stop it...do we even 'get' that it needs to be stopped.

Marco I remember the first time I got an email like the one your son received (some while ago)..they had info I certainly didn't want them to have. Then I realised with some basic search skills and a few bucks I could get the same information off of the net. Want to know if your neighbour has a criminal record..been divorced before..paid his taxes? Programs like Net Detective..Net-Vestigator and others are right there at our fingertips for the downloading.

It's said our faces are caught on city survailence camera's an average of 30 plus times a day (more now probably), if we live and work in a reasonably sized city.

"Most people have had their picture taken for something, which is why there are 1.1 billion facial images already in databases throughout the world, according to Visionics, a firm that specializes in facial recognition and other "biometrics" such as fingerprint scanning."

Source:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39a809e82d2b.htm

Are the freedom days of someone wanting to disappear into the woodwork gone for good.? Back in the day..with a little planning and help I could have disappeared anytime. Never had a need to. Sure you can do it today but not as easily nor as successfully. With retna/iris eye scanning and such soon becoming a viable and affordable reality as a major identification tool it's going to get harder. And it's not that I want to disappear...

I just don't like the feel of this new and not so very brave world.

the answer..but I do know the question:

Why the nedd for all this big brother stuf..and why are we ignoring it?

Computer & Internet Security, Privacy and Safety:
http://membrane.com/security/

(and the original article is from 1999 imagine how many times a day it is now):

09/25/2001 - Updated 08:38 PM ET

By Ellen Hale, USA TODAY

LONDON �?On the subway, in city centers, in parks, in shopping malls, on buses and roadways, even in historic rural villages, you're being watched. No country has more surveillance cameras than Britain. If you live in London, you can't get through a typical day without being captured on tape at least eight times �?and possibly as many as 300. Now, privacy advocates say such tactics may become a way of life in the USA, as well. Terrorist attacks could doom their efforts to stave off the proliferation of closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras. "The debate may be over," says Simon Davies, head of Privacy International, a civil-rights and privacy group headquartered here. "What you're looking at in Britain, with saturation CCTV coverage in every nook and cranny of the country, is what you'll be seeing all over the United States in the next 5 years."

Continued:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/09/26/cameras.htm

Sha

Hey all- there was a survey a month or so ago among adolescents in the US and something like 65 percent said they had no concerns about the erosion of first amendment rights and that in times like these the gov't is justified in taking whatever steps are necessary to prevent terrorism.

This is such a scary time we live in- as all the posts above attest to.

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