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| | | From: Marco | Sent: 12/10/2003 10:28 PM |
Hi- sure you can do that. The thing is, I've never known ANYONE who actually was successful at it and I know lots of people who've tried. You always want to do 'just a little bit more' and end up right where you started. But you can definitely give that a try. You'll still probably feel some minimal withdrawal but it wouldn't be bad. Good luck.
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| | | From: Marco | Sent: 12/11/2003 6:20 PM |
wb- At 19, and getting out of this life after only using for such a short time, you're very smart to be doing it now. They say the only thing harder than getting clean is staying clean, but you sound extremely motivated and I truly hope you make it. Put this stuff behind you & don't ever touch it again. The biggest lie that people tell themselves after getting clean is that they can do it once more and then won't ever do it again. If you do get through this, don't EVER use it again, not even once more. Good luck.
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| | | From: Marco | Sent: 12/12/2003 4:07 AM |
interesting take on the hallucinogens. Don't know if you're familiar with either ibogaine or ayahuasca- two hallucinogens used by tribal people in Africa (ibogaine) and South America (Ayahuasca). I've been fortunate enough to use both of these in what I would call spiritual and/or medical settings and couldn't agree more that one can learn a tremendous amount thru these plants. You seem to have your head on very straight for such a youngster. And I believe that you will be one of the few who makes it- stopping heroin in the way you're trying. Good luck and let me know how you're doing. Marco |
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thats mickey mouse man. nows the time just smoke lots of weed |
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| | From:  wb84 | Sent: 12/14/2003 9:23 AM |
yeah psychedelics are very usefull powerfull tools.. definantly not to be abused.. ive done lots of different psychedelics... ill list some just so you have an idea..
2C-T-2
2C-T-4
2C-B
2C-I
IAP
MDMA
MDA
MDEA
4-HO-DMT (SHROOMS)
4-HO-DET
5-MeO-AMT
5-MeO-DMT
AMT
LSD
Mescaline
DXM
and im sure there is a couple other ones that im forgetting... one of the most interesting and intense of all of those was 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT) it was a very short lived trip, but the trip its self feels like a eternity, seriously... time completely stops and you are transported into another universe.. you are not in this world any more... everything including ur vision goes away.. DMT and 5-MeO-DMT are chemicals that are already present in the human brain and they are believed to be connected to near death experiences (the BRIGHT WHITE LITE ;) ) i vaporized 25mg what an insightfull experience... greastest part of all.. 5meodmt is a legal research chemical (you can order it)... if you get a chance you should check it out... |
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| | | From: Marco | Sent: 1/16/2004 5:41 PM |
Hey Sonja- Are you talking about H and methadone or H and crystal meth? A big difference in the detoxes. In any case, if it's H and not methadone and you're on your 4th day you should be just about past the worst of it. Hang in there and keep up the good work. I know it's tough, but if you've made it this far, you CAN make it. Keep us posted on how you're doing; hopefully you're feeling better by now. Marco |
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| | | From: Marco | Sent: 1/17/2004 6:13 PM |
Hi- thanks Joanne, I appreciate the comment. Sonja- OK, good, I was worried that if you were talking about methadone you might be in for a long withdrawal, but with crystal, you should be OK, it's just the heroin part that is tough (physically). By now you should be done with all the physical symptoms of withdrawal, although probably not feeling great. Have you been thru this before? Do you know what to expect as you try to get/stay clean? Post on the board, or, if you prefer, you can e-mail me at [email protected]. Hope to hear from you one way or another. Good luck. Marco |
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Why are you coming off heroin and methadone? Did you get kicked off of a methadone clinic for using heroin? Whenever I'm come across people in that situation it's usually because they got kicked off methadone for using. I wouldn't want to be in your postition, I really feel for you. Ask you doctor if he/she could prescribe you these meds:
promethazine-for nausea
dicyclimine-for stomach cramps
clonadine-for chills and sweats
soma-for muscle cramps
flurazepam-for sleep
lopermide-for loose bowels
My kick doc prescribes these meds for coming off heroin, and even for coming off methadone. He just gives people coming off methadone more meds than those just coming off heroin. He also prescribes lorazepam aka Ativan for anxiety. It doesn't really help you sleep as much as the flurazepam will. If he is willing to prescribe benzo's to you to help you out he/she should have no problem prscribing the meds listed above since all but the flurazpam are not controlled substances. The clonadine and soma and promethazine are must's. Those meds alone will help so much since they cover the nasty withdrawal symptoms like chills and sweats and puking and muscle aches and twitches. I got kicked off methadone and I started using a eightball a day immediately because I couldn't handle the kick. Plus I wanted to go back to heroin at the time, I hadn't touched the stuff in a couple of years. I really got to hand it to you for trying. Good luck. I ended up
getting back on methadone in November after going on a run for about six months. I used right when I got kicked off methadoen but I could tell when the methadone was out of my body even though I was on dope. It took about three to four weeks.
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| | From: Marco | Sent: 1/18/2004 12:36 AM |
Hi TK- This person's not coming off H and methadone, their coming of H and CRYSTAL METH, that's why I asked the question. Marco |
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if you have only been using for as long as you say you have then the withdrawl will not be all that bad, i was on heroin for 20 odd years & i did numerous withdrawls in jail so get out now before you get any worse you will probably have a few sleepless nights & pains that make you feel uncomfortable but you can't die from a withdrawl you may feel like it but you cant trust me iv'e done enogh of them |
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