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Hello, Several weeks ago, I responded on another website to a post titled "Doppleganger". The young man, as it turns out, had seen spiritual residue of his grandfather from a much younger age. Location was a key factor because it was the position where an abundance of positive energy had been released as the man (The current grandfather) waited anxiously for his baby brother to return from the hospital. It was both ironic and sad that the man jumped to the immediate conclusion that the energy was evil: a doppleganger of his grandfather was the assumption. The grandfather is still alive, but we all leave trails of energy regardless. Why did I title this post, "Reincarnation", you may be asking? Because the man spoke of polar opposites and trans-generational manifestations of oneself before making his point clear. This is where my story begins. In the late 1990s, I saw my paternal grandfather's death certificate for the very first time. He died in 1962, exactly 11 years before I was born. Yes, the same month and day. This was odd to say the least, but evidence of nothing. Indicentally, my paternal grandmother died in the late 1980s on my father's birthday. Now, a brief discussion on polar opposites, to illustrate why the man's question struck such a chord with me. My grandfather was: 1. A reconnaissance pilot in WW1, WW2, and the Korean Conflict, relying heavily upon his eyes to ultimately end lives - I am legally blind 2. Extremely bigoted toward Asian people - I am highly attracted to all Asian women 3. Emotionally repressed. - I am unusually sensitive 4. A firm believer in structure - I am politically and fiscally conservative as he was, but socially free-spirited. In 2001, not long after my repressed memories surfaced, I had a vivid dream that included everyone from my nuclear family, along with most all grandparents. My maternal grandmother (who died before I was born, whom I'd never dreamt of previously and had only seen photos of) was there, my late paternal grandmother also, and my maternal grandfather. There was only one person missing: my paternal grandfather. Or was he truly missing? Was he in fact in that dream? Was it me? The mood of the dream was sorrowful and regretful, but, as I said in the post on the other website, there was also hopefulness. I know of at least 4 generations worth of paranormality in my family: starting with my maternal grandfather suffering a bullet wound to his pelvic bone as a result of a dream, and most recently my nephew's possession. Back to the dates of birth and death: would a spirit go so far as to plan conception and/or death in order to have his/her physical life remembered, or for some other mysterious reason? In the hope of darkening the brightness of a birthday? Who knows? It's very intriguing, in any case. Please feel free to share your own thoughts on reincarnation, past life regression, etc. I saw some disturbing images from our ancient past last night during a course of several out of body encounters. In time, I will reveal them along with my vivid past life account from January of this year. |
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I am living my first life, and what I'm about to share, is both needed for my spiritual growth as well as it's a test at the same time.... People are misinformed and misguided by old indoctrinations from generations to generations. They are afraid of what they may know and not accept, becuase it's not popular or it doesn't seem logical. It saddens not only my heart but the hearts of the Angels who oversee the spirits that walk this land. In any Holy Book that has been translated, has been so poorly. Gabriel says because it's due to the Yiddish that the schollars spoke in the days before during and after Christ and others before Christ. The Yiddish then wasn't pure, as the Scholars moved from country to country the Yiddish was mixed within the language they learned of that specific country. It is also said that there are lies within the bible, to continuously confuse people, however the true Truth Seeker will know these things. Does this make the bible wrong, no. What it does do is cause separation from those who seek and those who just accept because of their fears...... The scholars of today are aware of this gross error, but wont' fight for it to be changed in truth...... Blind Faith isn't about "open acceptance" it's been explained to me that it's used during the times when we feel there is no Heavenly Support around and we continue putting one foot in front of the other knowing that what we are doing is correct, and because we cannot see or perhaps feel them as we once did openly it doesn't mean they aren't here. The Only place that physical death is really spoken about is the judgement that was given to Adam and Eve in Genesis Chapter 3. All other citings God has spoken about is the death of the Spirit (within us each) In Job 2 you will find that God had told Satan that he could touch and do anything to Job he wanted to, but HE could not touch the spirit. The Physical self is only house for the Spirit to come and evolve to a higher vibration. Living the example through Christ..... Satan did everything to Christ's body but he didn't touch his spirit.... The following is incomplete but it's an assignment that I have been asked from Gabriel to work on. There is nothing wrong in returning to the beginning when the opportunity means we gain a deeper understanding of what we already know�?Sarah The first scripture that sets the modality of Life that we are to live is when Jesus was telling Peter about His death, and Peter looked at Jesus and said No! they can’t do this. Jesus looked at Peter and said “Get Behind me Satan, you are a block on my path, you come from Human Nature, not from God. (Matthew 16:23) With this understanding that we don’t live within human nature, we can now examine the Characteristics of what “Human Nature�?is. We know on the surface that “Eve�?was tricked, by lies, and then she coerced Adam into her deceit. Further examination of Genesis chapter 3 reveals some of the characteristics of what human nature is, as the result of this incident; Greed, shame, blame, lack of responsibility, stealing, awareness, gullibility, impatience, lack of self discipline, vulnerability, fear, pride, imperfection, ego, dysfunction, free will, disobedience, manipulation, separation, and more. The consequences of such action, death of the physical self, labour pains, and working hard to earn a living. God did not create Human Characteristics, Adam and Eve did. When Adam and Eve were created, they were created in perfection. There are guidelines regarding the type of life that we should be living and why. In the book of Romans, we learn about what these guidelines are. It begins by showing there is a conflict within us, Spirit vs Human Nature and there are 2 forces that are ruling. Some may call it right and wrong, or worldly and spiritual. ( 7:14-25) Further reading brings awareness to how to live. We learn that by living in human nature than we are controlled by human nature, and if we live in the spirit we are then controlled by the spirit. Another way of saying right from wrong. But by living in our human nature ways we learn that it brings death to us, and living in the spirit brings life. And living in the human nature ways is not pleasing to God. If we live in the spirit then we are living through the example that Christ left us, and we will have life, even though our bodies die because of what Adam and Eve did. Living in the spirit makes us God’s Children. (Romans 8:5-15) Jesus makes this clear when he said, “I assure you, that unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven. (Matthew 18:2) He wasn’t speaking of children through the eyes of the world, he was speaking of children through the eyes of God, his Father. Jesus teaches that “anyone who does what His Father wants them to do, are his brothers sisters and mothers. (Matthew 3:33-35) We also know from the author of Ecclesiastes that we incarnate here on this earth to learn to live in the Spirit. (Ecclesiastes 12:13) Which is the example and the purpose of Jesus walking this land. “Being disciplined is being a disciple, if to no other than yourself.�? Sarah There are several examples throughout the bible that state that God is from love and protects his children. Ex 34:6, Micah 7:18, 2Corinthians 13:11, 1 John 4:8, 16) “To love yourself is to Love God�?/STRONG> If One examines what has been written within the Holy Book, you will not find one example that God is about religion. He didn’t assist in creating religion, ego did. His concern throughout the bible was to prepare us to live life as it was originally intended, in perfection. This was the purpose of Jesus incarnating, showing us through example, teaching us what God taught Moses, Abraham, Jacob, David and many more. There is a belief that people cannot attain a fully satisfied life on earth. This is true if one isn’t living within the spirit. There are a couple of sayings. One is As Above, So Is Below, the other is Have a little bit of heaven here on earth. When one is living through the example that Jesus left (in spirit) we are raised above the worldly aspects, and attain what was meant for us to attain in the beginning. Some say we live here and must be involved, and this is true. We must work to support ourselves, however, we do have choices in who we associate with, and our activities. Through the evolution of living within the spirit balance is also taught, and we learn through balance when to say enough is enough, and retreat. People are concerned about what is to be, some call it the Apocalypse, some an ending of a phase. Whichever that it may be familiar to you, it is wise to be “prepared�?for what is to happen, whenever it may happen. Being prepared is knowing what is expected of us. If we know what is expected, then we are living correctly and will be protected. If the body should die in the process we have eternal life. People have "free will", Heavenly Father says, that when the "word" reaches every household that the end will come. Sarahsmiles |
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Here's a seed planting question to place a spin of doubt on the growing acceptance of imprinting as an alternate hypothesis for reincarnation: If we only live once, and each soul is experiencing physical life for the first time, then why do some families, such as mine and a few others of which I'm aware, experience high profile spiritual attacks through the generations? I love bizarre analogies. See below, and enjoy! Does one hold a grudge against the Chinese restaurant built upon the former site of a malady-inducing, fast food joint? |
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Imprinted in the DNA on a cellular level passed on from generation to generation ? |
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Misty, The concept of imprinting does not help me to resolve the absence of my paternal grandfather from that vivid and powerful dream, when I fully expected him to be present. I had no inclinations at the time in believing that I may have been my grandfather. If it turns out that it's true I was him, and I'm not saying that it is, the quantity of healing and growth would be undeniable from what I described initially in this thread. I've never had any past life regressions in regard to his life. I can only testify to the strangeness of the dates and his and my differences. What I can tell you is that I've felt my departed relatives' spirits in my presence, yet never his. Two conclusions seem plausible to me: he reincarnated as me, or through another. As always, this is open for debate since I cannot prove any of it, nor is it my desire to provide proof. The questions that manifested in me years ago were: Why would we use our souls only once? And what about possession?... If departed spirits can enter another's body during his/her life, why should it be so difficult to accept that those same spirits could assume control of an embryo or fetus? I briefly traded bodies at one point in my life. That was essentially reincarnation. What difference does it make at what stage the body-soul connection is made? Does DNA have any relevance to that? |
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LOL I think a little miscommunication on this and also a topic I really do not know the answers in. Past life is not a big issue for me, I have energy invested in this one and its enough work just being in the here and now :) DNA is part of our cell. We each has a blue print and with this comes a certain amount of information stored on a cellular level that provides us with natural instincts or knowing. This part just blows me away, how creatures such as simple insects and birds etc through their blueprints instinctively come into this world with this amazing amount of knowledge. As we evolve the information continues to passes down through generation to generations. Positive traits and sometimes negitive traits as well. This is why I mentioned it, to look at the possibilites of this being on a genetic level through cellular memory if thats the correct terminology This is why there is healing modalities being created all the time to help deal with and heal past life and ancestral issues on a cellular level. I place the thought to you that it may not be a reincarnation sutation but memories being down down through the DNA from your ancestors. Hope how I explained it made sense Why would we use our souls only once? As I beleive it to be our soul is continually evolving, however some are suggesting we only exist in this reality once, some say we maybe exisiting is 10 other realities all at the same time, I dont know. One reality is enough for me to deal with also :) However if I had a house by the sea and swimming and still had my children I would be happy to shift conscious thoughts to another reality :) I do have a book on Spirit somewhere, I will see if any of your questions are in it .if I can find it :) Blessings Misty |
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The material below is from the book The Spirits Book bu Allan Kardec Reincarnation. 166. How can the soul that has not attained to perfection during the corporeal life complete the work of its purification? "By undergoing the trial of a new existence." - How does the soul accomplish this new existence? Is it through its transformation as a spirit? "The soul, in purifying itself, undoubtedly undergoes a transformation; but, in order to effect this transformation, it needs the trial of corporeal life.�?/P> - The soul has then, many corporeal existences? "Yes; we all have many such existences. Those who maintain the contrary wish to keep you in the same ignorance in which they are themselves." - It would seem to result from this statement that the soul, after having quitted one body, takes another one; in other words, that it reincarnates itself in a new body. Is it thus that this statement is to be understood? "Evidently so." 167. What is the aim of reincarnation? "Expiation; progressive improvement of mankind. Without this aim, where would be its justice?�?/P> 168. Is the number of corporeal existences limited, or does a spirit go on reincarnating himself for ever? "In each new existence, a spirit takes a step forwards in the path of progress; when he has stripped himself of all his impurities, he has no further need of the trials of corporeal life." 169. Is the number of incarnations the same for all spirits? "No; he who advances quickly spares himself many trials. Nevertheless, these successive incarnations are always very numerous, for progress is almost infinite." 170. What does the spirit become after its last incarnation? "It enters upon the state of perfect happiness, as a purified spirit." Justice of Reincarnation. 171. What foundation is there for the doctrine of reincarnation? "The justice of God, and revelation; for, as we have already remarked, an affectionate father always leaves a door of repentance open for his erring children. Does not reason itself tell you that it would be unjust to inflict an eternal privation of happiness on those who have not had the opportunity of improving themselves? Are not all men God's children? It is only among selfish human beings that injustice, implacable hatred, and irremissible punishments are to be found." All spirits tend towards perfection, and are furnished by God with the means of advancement through the trials of corporeal life; but the divine justice compels them to accomplish. in new existences, that which they have not been able to do, or to complete, in a previous trial. It would not be consistent with the justice or with the goodness of God to sentence to eternal suffering those who may have encountered obstacles to their improvement independent of their will, and resulting from the very nature of the conditions in which they found themselves placed. If the fate of mankind were Irrevocably fixed after death. God would not have weighed the actions of all in the same scales, and would not have treated them with impartiality. The doctrine of reincarnation-that Is to say, the doctrine which proclaims that men have many successive existence-is the only one which answers to the idea we form to ourselves of the justice of God in regard to those who are placed, by circumstances over which they have no control, in conditions unfavourable to their moral advancement ; the only one which can explain the future, and furnish us with a sound basis for our hopes. because it offers us the means of redeeming our errors through new trials. This doctrine is Indicated by the teachings of reason, as well as by those of our spirit-instructors. He who is conscious of his own inferiority derives a consoling hope from the doctrine of reincarnation. If he believes in the justice of God, he cannot hope to be placed, at once and for all eternity, on a level with those who have made a better use of life than he has done but the knowledge that this inferiority will not exclude him for ever from the supreme felicity, and that he will be able to conquer this felicity through new efforts, revives his courage and sustains his energy. who does not regret, at the end of his career. that the experience he has acquired should have come too late to allow of his turning it to useful account? This tardily acquired experience will not be lost for him ; he will profit by it in a new' corporeal life. |
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The material below is from the book The Spirits Book by Allan Kardec Incarnation in Different Worlds 172. Do we accomplish all our different corporeal existences upon this earth? "Not all of them, for those existences take place in many different worlds. The world in which you now are is neither the first nor the last of these, but is one of those that are the most material, and the furthest removed from perfection." 173. Does the soul, at each new corporeal existence, pass from one world to another or can it accomplish several existences on the same globe? "It may live many times on the same globe, if it be not sufficiently advanced to pass into a higher one." - We may, then, re-appear several times upon the earth? "Certainly." - Can we come back to it after having lived in other worlds? "Assuredly you can; you may already have lived elsewhere as upon the earth." 174. Is it necessary to live again upon this earth? "No; but if you do not advance, you may go into a world no better than this one, or even worse." 175. Is there any advantage in coming back to inhabit this earth? "No special advantage, unless it be the fulfilment of a mission; in that case the spirit advances, whether incarnated in this earth or elsewhere." - Would it not be happier to remain as a spirit? "No, no! for we should remain stationary; and we want to advance towards God." 176. Can spirits come to this world, for the first time, after having been incarnated in other worlds.' "Yes; just as you may go into other ones. All the worlds of the universe are united by the bonds of solidarity; that which is not accomplished in one of them is accomplished in another." - Some of those who are now upon this earth are here, then, for the first time? "Many of them are so; and at various degrees of advancement." - Is there any sign by which we can know the spirits who are here for the first time? "Such knowledge would not be of the slightest use to you." 177. In order to arrive at the perfection and the supreme felicity which are the final aim of mankind, is it necessary for a spirit to pass through all the worlds that exist in the universe? "No; for there are a great number of worlds of the same degree, in which a spirit would learn nothing new." - How, then, are we to explain the plurality of his existences upon the same globe? "He may find himself, each time he comes back, in very different situations, which afford him the opportunity of acquiring new experience." 178. Can spirits live corporeally in a world relatively inferior to the one in which they have already lived? "Yes; when they have to fulfil a mission in aid of progress; and in that case they joyfully accept the tribulations of such an existence, because these will furnish them with the means of advancement." - May this not occur also as an expiation and may not rebellious spirits be sent by God into worlds' of lower degree? "Spirits may remain stationary, but they never retrograde; those who are rebellious are punished by not advancing, and by having to recommence their misused existences under the conditions suited to their nature." - Who are they that are compelled to recommence the same existence? "They who fail in the fulfilment of their mission, or in the endurance of the trial appointed to them." 179. Have all the human beings who inhabit any given world arrived at the same degree of perfection? "No; it is in the other worlds as upon the earth; there are some who are more advanced, and others who are less so." 180. In passing from this world into another one, does a spirit retain the intelligence which he possessed in this one? "Undoubtedly he does; intelligence is never lost. But he may not have the same means of manifesting it for that depends both on his degree of advancement and on the quality of the body he will take." (Vide, Influence of Organism.) 181. Have the human beings who inhabit the other worlds bodies like ours? "They undoubtedly have bodies, because it is necessary for the spirit to be clothed with matter in order to act upon matter; but. this envelope is more or less material according to the degree of purity at which each spirit has arrived, and it is these gradations of purity that decide the different worlds through which we have to pass; for in our Father's house are many mansions, and therefore many degrees among those mansions. There are some who know this, and possess the consciousness of this fact, while upon the earth; and there are others who have no such intuition." 182. Can we obtain any exact knowledge of the physical and moral state of the different worlds? “We, spirits, can only reply according to the degree at which you have arrived; that is to say, that we must not reveal these things to all, because some are not in the state which would enable them to understand such revelations, and would be confused by them." In proportion as a spirit becomes purified, the body with which he clothes himself also approaches more nearly to the spirit-nature. The matter of which his body is composed is less dense he no longer crawls heavily on the surface of the ground ; his bodily needs are less gross and the various living beings in those higher worlds are no longer obliged to destroy one another in order to feed themselves. A spirit incarnated in those worlds enjoys a greater degree of freedom, and possesses, in regard to objects at a distance, orders of perception of a nature unknown to us; he sees with his eyes what we see only in thought. The purification of spirits determines the moral excellence of the corporeal beings in whom they are incarnated. The animal passions become weaker, and selfishness gives place to the sentiment of fraternity. Thus, in worlds of higher degree than our earth, wars are unknown, because no one thinks of doing harm to his fellow-beings, and there is consequently no motive for hatred or discord. The foresight of their future, which is intuitive in the people of those worlds, and the sense of security resulting from a conscience void of remorse, cause them to look forward to death without fear, as being simply a process of transformation, the approach of which they perceive without the sightest uneasiness. The duration of a lifetime, in the different worlds, appears to be proportionate to the degree of moral and physical superiority of each world and this is perfectly consonant with reason. The less material is the body, the less subject is it to the vicissitudes which disorganise it ; the purer the spirit, the less subject is it to the passions which undermine and destroy it. This correspondence between moral and physical conditions is a proof of the beneficence of providential law, even in worlds of low degree ; as the duration of the suffering which is the characteristic of life in those worlds is thus rendered proportionally shorter. 183. In passing from one world to another, does the spirit pass through a new infancy? "Infancy is, in all worlds, a necessary transition; but it is not, in all of them, so stupid as it in yours." 184. Has a spirit the choice of the new world which lie is to inhabit? "Not always; but he can make his demand, and it may be granted, but only if he have deserved it; for the various worlds are only accessible to spirits according to the degree of their elevation." - If a spirit make no such demand, what is it that decides as to the world in which he will be reincarnated? "The degree of his elevation." 185. Is the physical and moral state of the living beings of each globe always the same? "No; worlds, like the beings that live in them, are subject to the law of progress. All have begun, like yours, by being in a state of inferiority; and the earth will undergo a transformation similar to that which has been accomplished by the others. It will become a terrestrial paradise, when the men by whom it is inhabited have become good." The races which now people the earth will gradually disappear. and will be succeeded by others more and more perfect. Those transformed races will succeed the races now upon the earth, as these have succeeded earlier races, still more gross than the present ones. 186. Are there worlds in which the spirit, ceasing to inhabit a material body, has no longer any other envelope than the pen spirit ? "Yes, and this envelope itself becomes so etherealised that, for you, it is as though it did not exist. This is the state of the fully purified spirits." - It would seem, from this statement, that there is no clearly marked line of demarcation between the state of the latter in-carnations and that of pure spirit? "No such demarcation exists. The difference between them growing gradually less and less, they blend into one another as the darkness of night melts into the dawn." |
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The material below is from the book The Spirits Book by Allan Kardec 187. Is the substance of the perispirit the same in all globes? "No; it is more or less ethereal. On passing from one world to another, a spirit clothes himself with the matter proper to each, changing his envelope with the rapidity of lightning." 188. Do the pure spirits inhabit special worlds, or are they in universal space without being attached to any particular globe? ALLAN KARDEC According to the statements of spirits, the earth, as regards the physical and moral qualities of its inhabitants, is one of the least advanced of all the globes of our solar system. Mars is stated to be at a point even lower than that of the earth, and Jupiter to be greatly superior to the earth in every respect. The sun is not a world inhabited by corporeal beings, but is a place of meeting for the spirits of a higher order who, from thence, send out the radiations of their thought towards the other worlds of our solar system, which they govern through the instrumentality of spirits of a less elevated degree, to whom they transmit their action by the intermediary of the universal fluid. As regards its physical constitution, the sun would appear to be a focus of electricity ; and all the other suns seem to be identical with ours in nature and function. The size of planets, and their distance from the sun, have no necessary relation with their degree of advancement for Venus is said to he more advanced than the earth, and Saturn is declared to be less advanced than Jupiter. The souls of many persons well known on this earth are said to be reincarnated in Jupiter, one of the worlds nearest to perfection; and much surprise has been felt on hearing it stated that persons who, when here, were not supposed to merit such a favour, should have been admitted into so advanced a globe. But there is nothing in this fact that need surprise us, if we consider, first, that certain spirits who have inhabited this planet may nave been sent hither in fulfilment of a mission which, to our eyes, did not seem to place them in the foremost rank secondly, that they may have had, between their lives here and in Jupiter, intermediary existences in which they have advanced ; and thirdly, that there are innumerable degrees of development in that world as in this one, and that there may be as much difference between these degrees as there is, amongst us, between the savage and the civilised man. It no more follows that a spirit is on a level with the most advanced beings of Jupiter because he inhabits that planet than it follows that an ignoramus is on a level with a philosopher because he inhabits the same town. The conditions of longevity, also, are as various in other worlds as they are on our earth and no comparison can be established between the ages of those who inhabit them. A person who had died some years previously, on being evoked, stated that he had been incarnated for six months in a world the name of Which is unknown to us. Being questioned as to his age in that world, he replied, "that is a point which I am unable to decide ; because, in the first place, we do not count time in the same way as you do, and, in the next place, our mode of existence is not the same as yours. Our development is much more rapid in this world; for, although it is only six of your months since I came here, I may say that, as regards intelligence, I am about what one usually is at the age of thirty in your earth." A great number of similar replies have been given by other spirits; and these statements contain nothing improbable. Do we not see upon our earth a host of animals that acquire their normal development in the course of a few months? Why should not men do the same in other spheres? And it is to be remarked, moreover, that the degree of development acquired by a man at the age of thirty upon the earth may be only a sort of Infancy in comparison with what he is destined to arrive at in worlds of higher degree. Short-sighted indeed are they who look upon our present selves as being in all respects the normal type of creation: and to suppose that there can be no other modes of existence than our present one, is, in soothe, a strange narrowing of our idea of the possibilities of the divine action. Progressive Transmigrations 189. Does the spirit enjoy the plenitude of his faculties from the beginning of his formation? "No; for the spirit, like the man, has his infancy. Spirits at their origin have only an instinctive existence, and have scarcely any "The pure spirits inhabit certain worlds, but they are not confined to them as men are confined to the earth; they possess, in a higher degree than any others, the power of instantaneous locomotion, which is equivalent to ubiquity ." consciousness of themselves or of their acts; it is only little by little that their intelligence is developed." 190. What is the state of the soul at its first incarnation? "A state analogous to that of infancy, considered in its relation to a human life. Its intelligence is only beginning to unfold itself; it may be said to he essaying to live." advance in knowledge as well as in morality; if he have advanced in only one of these directions, he will have to advance equally in the other, in order to reach the top of the ladder of perfection. But it is none the less certain that the more a man advances in his present life the shorter and the less painful will be the trials he will have to undergo in his subsequent existences." causes him to carry an opposite sentiment into his next incarnation. It is thus that progress is accomplished; and it is thus also that you have upon the earth some men who are farther advanced than others, because some possess experience that the others have not yet acquired, but that will be gradually acquired by them. It depends upon each spirit to hasten his own advancement or to retard it indefinitely." The man who has an unsatisfactory position desires to change it as soon as possible. He who is convinced that the tribulations of the present life are the consequences of his own imperfections will seek to insure for himself a new existence of a less painful character and this conviction will draw him away from the Wrong road much more effectually than the threat of eternal flames, which he does not believe Can a man, at least, insure' for himself, after his present life, a future existence less full of bitterness than this one? "Yes, undoubtedly, he can abridge the length and the difficulties of the road. It is only he who does not care to advance that remains always at the' same point." -193. Can a man in his new existences descend to a lower point than that which he has already reached? "As regards his social position, yes; but not as regards his degree of progress as a spirit." 194. Can the soul of a good man, in a new incarnation, animate the body of a scoundrel? "No; because a spirit cannot degenerate." - Can the soul of a bad man become tile soul of a good man? "Yes, if he have repented; and, in that case, his new incarnation in the reward of his efforts at amendment." The line of march of all spirits is always progressive, never retrograde. They raise themselves gradually In the hierarchy of existence they never descend from the rank at which they have once arrived. In the course of their different corporeal existences they may descend In rank as men, but not as spirits. Thus the soul of one who has been at the pinnacle of earthly power may, in a subsequent incarnation, animate the humblest day-labourer, and vice. versa ; for the elevation of ranks among men Is often In the inverse ratio of that of the moral sentiments. Herod was a king, and Jesus, a carpenter. 195. Might not the certainty of being able' to improve one self in a future' existence' lead some persons to persist in evil courses, through knowing that they will always be' able' to amend at some later period? "He who could make such a calculation would have no real belief in anything; and such an one would not he any more restrained by the idea of incurring eternal punishment, because his reason would reject that idea, which leads to every sort of unbelief. An imperfect spirit, it is true, might reason in that way during his corporeal life; but when he is freed from his material body, he thinks very differently; for he soon perceives that he has made a great mistake in his calculations, and this perception 191. Are the souls of our savages souls in a state of infancy? "Of relative infancy; but they are souls that have already accomplished a certain amount of development, for they have passions." - Passions, then, are a sign of development? "Of development, yes, but not of perfection. They are a sign of activity, and of the consciousness of the me; while, on the contrary, in the primitive state of the soul, intelligence and vitality exist only as germs." The life of a spirit in his totality goes through successive phases similar to those of a corporeal lifetime. He passes gradually from the embryonic state to that of infancy, and arrives, through a succession of periods, at the adult state, which is that of his perfection, with this difference, however, that it Is not subject either to decrepitude or to decline, like the corporeal life that the life of a spirit, though it has had a beginning, will have no end ; that he takes what appears from our point of view to be an immense length of time in passing from the state of spirit-infancy to the attainment of his complete development ; and that he accomplishes this progression, not in one and the same sphere, but by passing through different worlds. The life of a spirit is thus composed of a series of corporeal existences, each of which affords him an opportunity of progress ; as each of his corporeal existences is composed of a series of days, in each of which he acquires a new increment of experience and of knowledge. But just as in a human lifetime there are days which bear no fruit, so in the life of a spirit there are corporeal existences which are barren of profitable result, because he has failed to make a right use of them. 192. Is it possible for us, by leading a perfect life in our present existence, to overleap all the intervening steps of the ascent, and thus to arrive at the state of pure spirits, without passing through the intermediate degrees? "No; for what a man imagines to be perfect is very far from perfection; there are qualities which are entirely unknown to him, and which he could not now be made to comprehend. He may be as perfect as it is possible for his terrestrial nature to be; 'but he will still be very far from the true and absolute perfection. It is just as with the child, who, however precocious he may he, must necessarily pass through youth to reach adult life; or as the sick man, who must pass through convalescence before arriving at the complete recovery of his health. And besides, a spirit must causes him to carry an opposite sentiment into his next incarnation. It is thus that progress is accomplished; and it is thus also that you have upon the earth some men who are farther advanced than others, because some possess experience that the others have not yet acquired, but that will be gradually acquired by them. It depends upon each spirit to hasten his own advancement or to retard it indefinitely." The man who has an unsatisfactory position desires to change it as soon as possible. He who is convinced that the tribulations of the present life are the consequences of his own imperfections will seek to insure for himself a new existence of a less painful character and this conviction will draw him away from the Wrong road much more effectually than the threat of eternal flames, which he does not believe in. 196. As spirits can only be ameliorated by undergoing the tribulations of corporeal existence, it would seem to follow that the material life is a sort of sieve or strainer, by which the beings of the spirit-world are obliged to pass in order to arrive at perfection ? "Yes; that is the case. They improve themselves under the trials of corporeal life by avoiding evil, and by practising what is good. But it is only through many successive incarnations or purifications that they succeed, after a lapse of time which is longer or shorter according to the amount of effort put forth by them, ill reaching the goal towards which they tend." - Is it the' body that influences the spirit for its amelioration or is it the spirit that influence's the body? "Your spirit is everything; your body is a garment that rots, and nothing more." A material image of the various degrees of purification of the soul is furnished by the juice of the grape. It contains the liquid called spirit or alcohol, but weakened by the presence of various foreign elements which change its nature, so that it is only brought to a state of absolute purity after several distillations, at each of which it is cleared of some portion of its impurity. The still represents the corporeal body into which the spirit enters for its purification the foreign elements represent the imperfections from which the perispirit is gradually freed, in proportion as the spirit approaches the state of relative perfection. |
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Misty, Many things were brought to my attention in the past two weeks about who I am and who I once was. However astounding the details may be, they are irrelevant to this discussion. The individual with whom I was conversing is a member of the most expensive reformed church in all of the world, and the aim was to persuade me to join. My late father and the late father of my childhood friend were used as bait (If you're interested, I'd be happy to share the details via E-mail of my friend's father and my encounters with him. There are names involved, pertinent to the telling of the incredible tale, that I do not wish to reveal publicly). I was to be "purified" by the church for the alleged sake of saving their souls. This individual of whom I speak hates Earth. It certainly follows that reincarnation would be an abominable concept for one with that level of contempt for the physical universe. As I see it, we're connected in spirit whether we like it or not, whether we're in bodies or not. Is it absolutely necessary that every one of us achieves the highest realm of consciousness and views Earth as a version of Hell? I don't think so. Where would be the fun in that? There is endless beauty in imperfection. Those who refuse to believe in God remind those of us who do just how blessed we are to know Him in our lives. Take care, Brian |
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Brain that sounds very spooky, its a church has that much money then it I would imagine to be very controlled and ego based. Hell is to us just a mirror of those things that resonates on a lower energy field to us, we do not want to face and we do not find enjoyment from if that makes sense. Maybe its our shadow side ? Hell is a mind set, a preception, ones hell to another may well be there paradise. |
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Hi, Misty! LOL! I'll take that as a "No" on the private E-mail response? If and when you're ready to hear about it, send a message to my address on file.  Should I say that you hit the nail on the head about the church, or that you threw the paycheck in the dish? hehe! Don't misunderstand: the woman with whom I was speaking had vast spiritual knowledge beyond anyone I've ever met. She knew things about me that I'd never discussed with anyone. I never claimed to be perfect, and considering what I revealed on the Self Help Psychology Phorum and Unsolved-Mysteries.com last year, there's nothing that the church could reveal about me that I would be unwilling to make public. Incest victims tend not to have the best approach to matters of sexuality. It was a frequent topic of discussion brought forth by this woman, and the two spirits that possessed her on a regular basis loved cracking jokes about my quirks. I laughed right along with them. I love all three souls, I simply don't trust them. Hell is an emotional state of being, nothing more. Having spent the first 16 years of my life without freedom of any kind, another 11 years in denial, and 18 months battling emotionally stunted energy forms, I know quite well the benefits of extreme suffering and the potential for joy to arise from it. I spoke with a woman yesterday who left her body following a suicide attempt many years ago and experienced what she perceived as Hell. The woman survived, obviously, and claimed that the hand of God extended to her when she asked Him to save her. Despite her situation resulting in an apparent meeting with God (Not to mention living to tell about it), she still feels that Hell is an ultimate form of evil. Hmm... Sad. She said she hates her abusive father, too. Little does she know, she's hating and destroying herself. Does her father feel hated by her? Perhaps, but that's irrelevant to her recovery. The woman is a grandmother, and she's probably so set in her ways by now that she'll never accept the anatomy of love and hate. People often try to convince me of ultimate evil, the power of Satan... blah, blah, blah. Whether or not one believes in the existence of Lucifer, to hate his energy or that of any other malevolent lifeform is to voluntarily place oneself in Hell. You gotta love 'em! |
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That is one one true gift we have as human souls and that is the ability to LOVE This was did trance work or semi trance work? My email is on the Reading Guidelines if you choice to email me. Blessings Misty |
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I have a correction to make in regard to my last post. The grandmother with whom I spoke only admitted to not loving her father, but never explicitly stated that she hated him. She has tried loving him, and I can sympathize with her inability to do so. |
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Hi
I can't fathom that we only live once! All the stuff we go through in life to have it just vanish and be no more. I feel I live before but at times too I have doubts.
BB,
Grayheart |
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