SATORI2 : or the unexpected

Witan© : Hope and expectation are different, why do we allow hope to twist and sour into expectation. Can acceptance, true acceptance exist with expectation?

SATORI2 : because some of our hopes are based on preconcieved expectations

 

SATORI2 : a kind of reward punishment outcome.

 

 

SATORI2 : Yes, I would be inclined to think. That's interesting you say that Witan because...I went to school with a girl who thought all men are pigs, and it was
no suprise she always got those. 

 

 

SATORI2 : On the other hand My friend Shelley sees the beauty in everyone, and she is living a loving and successful life, dispite sins of the past like drugs and drinking.

 

 

SATORI2 : Kant said, the only reality we know is ours, There is no Objective Reality....
only that which we create.

 

 

SATORI2 : So why not create what's to be best in your world?

 

 

SATORI2 : The problem with expectations is they departamentalize you are limited to them
you can't think out of the box

 

 

SATORI2 : not intrinsically bad or good its how you apply

 

SATORI2 : Which I would consider Belief to be. Because of its Eteology.

Simple_Dream : managing it-- using it to see possible outcomes-- using it to shape outcomes -- and when things take a turn-- turn with them-- and set your sights on new expectations

 

 

SATORI2 : and faith, where it would be more open to revelation, but that's something totally different for this chat.

Witan© : Yes Simple, the taoist river.  Shoot for the ocean but accept that th terrain will twist and turn alot before you make it.

 

Simple_Dream : why different?  just because it goes by a different name?

 

 

SATORI2 : different because I like where Witan is going with the conversation instead of where my mind is at.

 

Simple_Dream : it all looks like the same explanation to me--- atleast in my mind-- expectation, faith and the taoist river-- God and the ocean-- its all part of the same process

 

SATORI2 : Well with the talk of expectations, I thought of faith and belief and the difference these two have in the spectrum of expectations. You can read above on what I said about belief.

 

 

SATORI2 : Belief having preconcieved notions with the key root word "Be" in it.

 

 

Simple_Dream : I do find your point about the difference between faith and belief

 

 

Simple_Dream : I had faith long before I had belief

 

SATORI2 : Faith, You know that there is a God out there or at least feel She is there

 

 

SATORI2 : but you don't have a preconcieved definition on what to "Expect" you go with "Revelation" and unfortunately that has been lost by many... the fact that spirituality and faith and all matters beyond intellect is revealed.

Simple_Dream : I wonder how some Christians would respond to this difference--- could they accept that a person had faith in God without belief in God?

 

SATORI2 : Revealed through Art, Meditation, War, Relationships, etc. little by little we get these revelations if... "IF" we have faith in the process.  Am I making sense? I take these lessons what I've learned in the fishbowl of acting and being on stage and hope to God I can share it and it makes sense. Frickin' Jesus took 40 days in the desert for things to be revealed and he still had to chill out in the Garden of Gethsemane, for more revelation of God or the God's plan. 

 

Yogaom® : lol

 

Simple_Dream : ok explain this to me--- I tell someone I believe and have faith in God-- they say that is not good enough-- you have to believe in Jesus-- then they say that Jesus is God-- so if Jesus is God-- what am I missing?

 

SATORI2 : Buddha was under a tree forever... and he was still learning after that. We tend to forget how these gifts that we have and lessons we need to learn because of these expectations. And I lost my train of thought..... I do have faith that it will be revealed to me any moment now....