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No Flash, my point was all of the old bikes you fawn over were crap compared to the modern ones. Do you still start your car with a crank? T-Dog |
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No You are over-fond of the word fawn without realising its derogatory implications. Your implication is a bike must be inferior if it has carbs coils condenser points and casrb British biukes had those thereore they are inferioir. I point out jap bikes had them too (in fact my 1979 Bonnie 140 had electronic ignition before your 1981 Honda F). we were not comparing old with new. As for cars and cranks. many wish their cars had them but car CRs are too high. On the other hand the only reason why jap bikes had self start was because multi cylinder layouts had a lot of drag. Electric start was cheaper than kick start, less gear cutting only 1 sprag clutch. But why don't all bikers have electric start today? BTW you 450 black bomber cost more than a Lightning or a Bonnie in its day |
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As time marched on the Japs stopped offering kick start and there were some very angry riders. No you have lost your thread my point was all of the old bikes you fawn over were crap compared to the modern ones That has not been your point Your point is all British Bikes are inferior to all Jap, bikes . And this is motivated by your hatred of the British. I will say Harleys had the same alleged inferiority. Slow, unreliable (AMF), thirsty, bad handling. but your theme is there was only one bad bike in the world and THAT WAS A BRITISH BIKE. |
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MAJOR I TAKE YOUR POINTS ABOIUT THE 250 AND 125 HIGH REVVING BIKES, BUT THOSE WERE ONE OFFS FOR RACING. AND YES YEARS LATER THE RD AND LC 250 TWINS COULD DO THE SAME SPEEDS. BUT YOUR OLD LAMBRETTA GT200S WERE MARGINALLY THE SAME AND IT WAS 30MPG PLUS PISTON REPLACEMENT TWICE A WEEK. |
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Tom, you're right, envy would be a culprit too. My own career in Rolls's began back when I was 12 and I rode in them most weeks. Sometimes I would take a Bentley and at a pinch, I'd lower myself to a MK2 Jag. How? Me and my pals used to Caddy every weekend at a Jewish golf course and the members used to pick us up on the way. My all time favourite was a Bentley Continental. |
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This arguement about old bikes not being a scratch on todays is nonesense. In another 15 years, these superbikes of today will be in exactly the same position. They're all of their own time and place. |
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Ref 108... The Honda 110 is a beautiful bike, with perfect lines. Honda persisted with four strokes and went to extraordinary lengths to try and keep them ahead of the two strokes, but it was a losing battle. In 64 they produced the awe inspiring RC114, a twin cylinder, DOHC 50cc, which revved to 22,500! |
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Honda also followed this up with a 125 five cylinder and the legendary 250 six cylinder. |
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major, ref #115, exactly. T-Dog |
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#115 exactly So why is T-Dog constantly placing old British bikes against new Jap bikes. Anyway change the subject. Ride to work bikes. My choice for T-Dog  The little Honda Monkey bikes, the 50cc Z series mini bikes, are pretty popular in some countries. Some fans of the little guy really engineer very nifty modifications, like this 125cc inline 4 cylinder engine for instance. It’s so small it looks like a model but it’s a real engine and sounds great!
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Race History - 1965 ![]() The 125 cc class is a total disaster this year. Honda start the season with last ... In the last GP of the season in Japan, the new 5 cylinder 125 cc is ...www.vf750fd.com/Joep_Kortekaas/1965.html - 33k - Cached Enjoy, Major |
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The above don't seem to want to open Hit Google with Honda 125 5 cyl and that will come up |
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|  | | | RC149
Honda's racebikes in the Golden Age were all four-strokes, but by the middle 1960s, two-strokes were becoming an undeniable force. Honda four-strokes had won three 125cc world titles in 1961, 1962 and 1964, but legendary Honda 125 ace Luigi Taveri was hard-pressed to keep the two-strokes at bay. The only way Honda could stay out front was to raise its 125's redline, and the only way to do that was to build more, smaller cylinders. In 1965, Honda created an incredible machine, a five-cylinder 125. The bore measured a miniscule 34.0mm, with a stroke of just 27.5mm. This was one of the smallest cylinder bores Honda had ever attempted, and simply unimaginable to anyone else. Into this inch-and-a-third cylinder Honda stuffed four tiny valves and a centrally located sparkplug. The next year, Honda engineers made minor changes to the bore and stroke figures (35.5 x 25.14mm), raised the redline by 500 rpm, and created the five-cylinder RC149 shown here. The machine used essentially the same internal engine architecture of the RC116, but repeated another two-and-a-half times as an inline five. The valves seemed unbelievably small, more like nails, and the spark plugs more like a two-inch-long piece of lead pencil. Compared with the 50cc RC116, though, the RC149 only used an eight-speed transmission. Redline, however, was a shrieking 21,500 rpm, incredible by today's standards and positively unimaginable almost 40 years ago. | | | | | | | | | | |
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To think we're talking of technology approaching its 50th birthday. If we were to quickly break it down, the figures are extraordinary. The 125 five cylinder eventually reached around 22.000 rpm. The pistons are one inch across and have a one inch stroke and there are four valves per cylinder. Roughly speaking, the engine, at full rip, is producing about 455 individual sparks per second. As the great Honda mechanic, Nobby Clark says.... they used to assemble the valves using tweezers. Mechanic? I would have thought a watchmaker would be more appropriate. I once saw the 250 six at Donnington, but only on a parade lap, but I did see the mighty Honda 500 four raced in anger at Oulton Park, ridden by the brilliant John Cooper. In a field of 34 bikes, he came about 23rd and afterwards said.... I knew Mike Hailwood was brilliant, but I never knew just how brilliant, until I rode the Honda 4. It was one of the reasons Hailwood quit, as he knew the bike would have killed him, unless he got out. |
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