MSN Home  |  My MSN  |  Hotmail
Sign in to Windows Live ID Web Search:   
go to MSNGroups 
Free Forum Hosting
 
Important Announcement Important Announcement
The MSN Groups service will close in February 2009. You can move your group to Multiply, MSN’s partner for online groups. Learn More
The Wakan Circle[email protected] 
  
What's New
  
  Welcome to the Wakan Circle  
  Management list & Msn Code of Conduct  
  TheWakanCircleGuidelines  
  TheWakanCircleBeginning-  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  TO WALK THE RED ROAD~  
  What is The Red Road  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Dedicated to Our Ancestors  
  In Loving Memory.... Mamthesonak....5..1..2008  
  ***********************************  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Happy Thanksgiving to All  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  MESSAGE BOARD  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Wakan CHAT ROOM #! 1  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  ELDERS QUESTIONS  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  MEMBERS BIOS  
  Cherokee ? Board  
  NAME in CHEROKEE  
  Indian News  
  DID YOU KNOW???  
  American Indian Radio  
  Reservation Help  
  AdoptAElder&Grandparent  
  Prayer & Healing  
  YourPersonalPrayerCircle  
  Prayer Ties  
  Wakan Journeys  
  Mourning Place  
  OurCreator OurStrength  
  Spirit of Red Man  
  Abuse Shelter  
  Recovery Room  
  MemberProfiles&ContactList  
  Warning Message>  
  WHY AMERICAN INDIAN??  
  TheCherokeeWayOfTheCircle  
  Culture& History  
  Medicine Wheel & Shield  
  Earth Wheel,  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Daily Motivation  
  Elder Meditation  
  Healing Stones  
  Inspirational  
  Words of Wisdom  
  Quotes  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  A Womans World  
  Women Warriors  
  Women Of Courage  
  American IndianWomenRights  
  NativeAmericanMilitaryWomen  
  Words&Remedys(women)  
  *****************************************  
  Herbs, Oils, Etc  
  Medicinal Herbs.  
  Natural Soaps  
  Plants & Culture  
  Wakan Medicines  
  TalkingStick  
  Sacred Animals  
  Animal Medicines Etc  
  Totems & meanings  
  All Totems  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Pow Wow Updates  
  Events Updates  
  POW WOW Guidelines  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Leonard Peltier  
  Genealogy  
  Dreamcatchers Information  
  Dreamcatchers  
  Your Dreams  
  Indian Music +++  
  Storytime  
  Childrens Corner  
  Childrens Board  
  Our Storytellers  
  More Storyteller  
  Crafty Corner  
  Picture of Members  
  Pictures  
  Our Poetry Page  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Annie's Poetry  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Heart Songs  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Annie's Country Kitchen  
  FAMILY RECIPES  
  Old&New Remedies  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Folklore  
  Legends - Tales  
  FirstPipe&WhiteBuffaloWoman  
  White Buffalo Legend  
  White BuffaloECT  
  The Sacred PIPE  
  Age of the Sacred Pipe".  
  Sweat Lodge  
  Vision Quests  
  Smudging ect.  
  SMUDGING  
  Our Elders  
  Trail Of Tears  
  TrailOfTears Park(Powwow)  
  TrailOfTearsHistory...today  
  Cherokee Nation...Trail Map  
  Samuel Cloud turned 9 years old on the Trail  
  TrailOfTearsTimeline----&SpecialPoem  
  Cherokee Rose +  
  *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^  
  Cherokee History  
  Cherokee..Lessons on Life  
  SouthernCherokee  
  Cherokee Sayings  
  The Cherokee Belief System  
  Cherokee Traditions  
  Cherokee Tribes  
  Our Cherokee Language  
  Cherokee Moons ect  
  Cherokee Seasons  
  Seven Clans of Cherokee Society  
  Cherokee history  
  Cherokee Words  
  Cherokee Nation  
  Building Body and Mind  
  NativeSymbolsOrigin&Meaning  
  Goal of Indian Spirituality  
  American IndianCodeOfEthics  
  Indian Beliefs  
  Maps of our Nations  
  Indian Prayers  
  AmericanIndianCommadments  
  American IndianLegends  
  Battle inHistory  
  American Indian Philosophy  
  Indian Poetry  
  Indian Authors  
  American Indians Poems  
  Wisdom  
  Great Quotes  
  American Indian Quotes  
  American Indian Quotes (more)  
  American Indian Spirituality #1  
  American Indian Spirituality# 2  
  Many Legends  
  Indian Heritage  
  Indian Genealogy  
  American Indian Religion  
  More Religion  
  Indian Beliefs  
  Indian Languages  
  Navajo Words  
  Blackfoot Words  
  Lakotah Words..  
  Ojibwe Words  
  Mohawk Words  
  Cherokee Lessons  
  Strength Of Our Ancestors  
  Our Military  
  Code Talkers  
  Todays History  
  Our Founding Fathers  
  The Six Nations:  
  History of Native Americans  
  In Honor of my People!!!!!  
  In Remembrance of The People  
  OUR LAND WAS TAKE----------------(message from our people)  
  Sign Language  
  Ceremonies!!!  
  SACRED HOOP  
  The DRUM  
  Cherokees�?Treasure  
  Power of the Flute  
  Ceremonial Dance  
  Spiritual Warrior  
  Indian Lands  
  Indian Spirituality.message  
  Spiritual Animals  
  Indian Myths ect  
  Indian Tribes !  
  Choctaw  
  Pawnee  
  Black Indians  
  Indian Tribes  
  Indian Quotes  
  Chiefs ect  
  Native Men  
  Todays Indians  
  Are You Indian????  
  Tribal Colors  
  Geronimo  
  Seven Teachings  
  Sacred Prayers ect  
  Our Prayer Carriers  
  The Philosophies  
  Moons ect.  
  Prophecies  
  Native American Code Of Ethics  
  Mother Earths Lament  
  Copyright Corner © Disclaimer...Copyright info  
  ALL Links Pages  
  Other Websites Links ect  
  Banner Exchange  
  Members Birthdays  
  World Clock & More  
  PSP Makers groups Links  
  PRAYERS  
  
  
  Tools  
 
Medicinal Herbs. : Plants Consideration and uses
Choose another message board
 
     
Reply
 Message 1 of 1 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameAnnie-LL  (Original Message)Sent: 1/28/2005 4:11 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameAnnie-LL</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 10/26/2003 11:15 AM

There is a lot of modern interest in "Native plant medicines" both from big drug companies and from people who want simple treatments, inexpensive, and without the harmful side-effects that are sometimes manifested in chemical or synthesized medicines. These pages may occasionally mention traditional medicinal values of certain plants, but in general plant medicines is not a topic I'm going to go into here, for several reasons.

1. It can be dangerous. If you are a city person, or for that matter a reservation resident ignorant of plants, and go out hunting and trying to use "medicines" you can make yourself or others very sick, even die. Plants are not in and of themselves "healthy" or even necessarily safe. There are very powerful plant poisons, and some of the most powerful chemical poisons were originally developed from those of plants. There is also a consideration of how the plant parts must be processed or treated proprly, what parts to use, what proportions, and what mixtures.

2. Another reason to avoid this subject is that a sacred or religious aspect is involved in much Native plant medicine, of most kinds, and for most tribes. The principal repository of medical lore for Anishnabeg peoples is Midè an untranslatable word, usualy translated as Grand Medicine Society. One of the principal teachings of Midè is that every plant has a use -- but not necessarily as a medicine or food! All the uses have to be learned, which was part of the instructional lifeways of traditional upbringing -- now almsot entirely lost. The Midè initiate (usually someone who was sick and needed to be cured that way) used to be taught a sort of general medical course, general health. Other medicines were held by individuals, and most knew only a few. Ojibwe medicines tended to be complex, mixtures of many kinds of different parts of plants (almost always roots, though), gathered and treated at different times of year, mixed in specific proportions, and administered in scheduled doses of particular size and dilution. This was never public knowledge, and much of it was learned only by apprenticing to a particular doctor to learn his or her particular medicines.

True doctors were all specialists: they knew a few remedies, and those with different problems had to find the right specialist. This means -- for now -- that any old person who claims to be an "elder who knows all about all plants" is inevitably a fake, a charlatan usually involved with New Agers who want to believe everything is easy.

3. All native people who really know anything about uncultivated ("wild") plants know that prayers and thanks are to be given to the Great Mystery who provides and reveals their proper uses by people. Usually an offering is made of tobacco, sometimes silver is buried by the "chief plant" of a group, representing the spirit of those particular plants. This isn't just a gabble of some formulaic "prayer". All of this is part of an attitude, a culture, a religious outlook, a local society, and a history which it does not seem to me can or should be acquired on this medium. I will here present and discuss only foods and flavorings -- an adjunct to a cookbook. As in the wild rice section (a sacred gift), I will often try to show some of the history, feelings, etc., from my own experiences. I.e. our involvement with traditional foods shouldn't be like opening a can or microwave package. (but there's the practical aspect of feeding a family or lots of people.) But I'm no anthro, to talk of rituals and ceremonies. Discussions of history, etc., are likely to include accounts of arrests and harassments of Native people, bad laws and land thefts, environmental pollutions, destruction of Native lands and waters in respect of ability to survive from their natural gifts.

4. for city dwellers, in most major cities of the U.S. and some in Canada, there are health foods stores -- co-ops, usually -- where many herbal products are carried. Rarely, if ever, are these provided by Native people. There is a whole little industry of herb growers, gatherers, and distributors who provide quality, reliable, clean-processed non-standard plant products for these stores. It has occurred to me that this is an ideal mini-enterprise for some tribal people, including youth during summers. To learn the locally-available plants thoroughly, perhaps to garden larger supplies of some of them, to process and package them and connect with some of these co-ops and co-op product distributors. Such an enterprise would involve youth working with and learning from knowledgeable elders. In the sales and distribution of local herbs, youth would learn practical business methods too.

Users of traditional plants for flavorings, teas, and tonics should be aware that all of them definitely have a certain general health value: nutritional, vitamins and minerals. People of the north did not have green vegetables, fresh fruits, etc. available during hte long winters. Fruits and gardened vegetables such as corn, squash, pumpkins, beans, were dried, but these do not supply the full range of vitamins and minerals (although drying usually preserves what they do contain better than any other method). Anishnaabeg people mostly drank teas, rather than water, and these contained vitamin and mineral components not available to them during winters from other parts of stored or hunted food. So some of these can be thought of as vitamin/mineral supplements. Unfortunately, scientists usually haven't gotten around to analyzing such wild plants for nutrient content, unless they have become of economic interest to white people or businesses. (What we do know is that unless it were a general starvation winter, Native people didn't suffer from scurvy or any of the other deficiency diseases. They were getting quality nutrition when fresh plant foods were unavailable for many months.)

 



First  Previous  No Replies  Next  Last