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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«  (Original Message)Sent: 9/8/2007 8:57 PM
 
You know, this is interesting ... sharing the experiences I've had over the last couple of years with you is a great way for me to see things in a different light. I'm a tad nervous about doing this because some of these experiences are very personal and not a little bit weird. But this is what Betwixt is about ... sharing insight and experience in our personal evolution.
 
I was talking about ritual space recently with a friend and the story of one of my first stints as Summoner came up ... it's amusing a year after the fact but at the time it was just a bit unsettling.
 
Circles, inside & out ... pt 1
 
In a nutshell ... the WCC Summoner is a surety of sacred space and its boundries. We stand on the outside of the circle monitoring the participants and for those sensitive enough to do so, the energy involved when a circle of people start operating on the same page. The Summoner also keeps stuff from interfering with the circle from the outside - no trespassers allowed ... guard and guardian alike. Its an interesting experience standing outside watching a coven create a circle hand to hand, while the priest cuts & casts its parameter with a sword, then seeing the priestess nail it down from the inside - you are effectively locked out of that collective pysche. Which allows you a distance to observe everything else.
 
ANYways ... I had been Summoner for less then 3 months and was getting comfortable in the position. We were in our winter quarters which meant I could lock the door and not worry about the same kind of intrusions one gets out in the park. I could settle down outside the circle and simply watch the ritual unfold, while monitoring everyone - depending on which priest/priestess pair were running the circle, its usually an uneventful thing.
 
On this night the priest & priestess were a couple who are excellent at what they do, their own intimacy simply adds to the connection they provide for the circle. They had chosen to call the fey ... an introduction to the sidhe, with a libation and blessing given to those fey that might be in their lives. I watched with curiousity as the circle closed and the priest began casting the circle with an iron blade and an assortment of herbs ... when the priestess consecrated the circle I distinctly felt like they had disappeared inside a bubble. Something which was a first for me and made me stand up and take notice ... how the heck was that possible? I opened myself a little more to the coven trying to get a 'feel' for the circle, but what happened instead was like a warm buzz or hum in my head. I pulled back to full awareness in the room and listened to the ritual looking for a clue as to what had just happened.
 
The language and movement was pretty standard for the Odyssean tradition but the results were extra-ordinary since whatever had been called to attend the circle (sidhe invitation apparently) was actually moving around the room with me. The first time something touched me I almost yelped, it was so unexpected. I was standing alone in the dark with just me and my staff watching the circle and something brushed across my back, almost as if something was pushing past me. I could hear a heavy heartbeat in the dark and footsteps pacing the edge of the circle in front of me. I actually looked at the floor expecting to see at least 'something' that made the noises. The coven seemed totally unaware of the outside ... I on the other hand felt like I didn't know where to move for fear of something touching me in more then a light brush. If anyone had looked at me they probably would have seen a wide-eyed look on my face, lol. I spent the next hour listening to strange noises - breathing, a heart beat and footsteps of various kinds. At one point something stood behind me looking over my shoulder and I was to unnerved to turn my head and look!
 
When the priest cut a door in the circle and but the fey offering out on a window-sill there was a stillness in the room, followed by a rushing sensation when he re-entered the circle, closing it behind him. After the offering was laid out the priestess spoke for a bit of the nature of titheing the sidhe and general gifting practices in the old countries. Wasn't much longer before they wrapped things up and made their farewells to the gathered fey. The silence after the offering was somewhat reassuring to me, but I still felt it was worth mentioning to the priest ... just in case anything might still be hanging about.
 
He nodded apparently pleased with his handiwork and asked me if I was Irish. I said I was Irish, English & Scottish ... to which he laughed and jokingly warned me to watch out for bogerts (thanks - wish he'd said something at the beginning of the night!) and walked off laughing to hook up with his lady.
 
The lesson in that one for me is that a circle IS a deliniation of sacred space, it does create its own boundries and it does have an inside & outside - its not just poetic thinking or figurative speech, done right, it IS a place outside of time & space.
 
Blessed Be.


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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 9/12/2007 3:45 AM
Do you cast circles in your occult practice? Do you notice a difference either inside or out?

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From: MSN Nicknameimbas1Sent: 9/12/2007 12:40 PM
I do cast circles, but evidently not enough to have gained much skill at it. We've only done it a few times and have never noticed any difference. Granted, we are in close quarters and perhaps have not met all the "requirements" At some point, I think we'll need to hook up with a local group and really get the experience. It sounds like your group is really connected.

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 9/13/2007 12:47 AM
This particular group has worked together for the last 3 years, with the occassional ebb and flow of membership and attendence. The tradition that iniates the supporting temple (WCC) has been around for 25 years or so which can apply a kind of consistancy as well. In every circle I've attended at least 75 % of those participating have worked with each other weekly and are friends, with the other 25 % being either absent or infrequent members, guests or new people coming in around the sabbats and such. But for the most part they HAVE gotten used to each other and actively try to reach beyond the normal state. As a student of psychology and bio-energy its fascinating watching and experiencing. I think the group energy is significantly different from a single practioner or couple ... that and the mental machanics might be different.
 
 

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 9/23/2007 5:25 AM
Tonights WCC circle was based in sumerian mythology and the division of the season with the duality of life & death, followed by feast. An interesting ritual ... I do have to admit that the odyssean tradition adapts itself to almost any pantheon or cosmology.
 
A phrase was brought to mind tonight, it is part of the odyssean wine ...
 
  TO LEARN YOU MUST SUFFER
  TO LIVE YOU MUST BE BORN
  TO BE BORN YOU MUST DIE
  THE BEGINNING, THE CONTINUATION AND THE END
  OVER AND OVER
 
Kinda appropriate to the season.
 

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From: MSN NicknameFurfa-the-ElfSent: 9/27/2007 8:27 AM
Red,
 
The 'bubble' that the people disappeared in to is a common effect of a magickal ceremony. If you look at a person that's performed a ritual they often appear to be semi-visible, their skin flushes, and/or they're surrounded in tiny sparkling points of light. Visually they tend to go out of focus if you look directly at them.
 
Performing these sort of rituals raises a tremendous amount of enegy and can draw in an assortment of both positive and negative spirits. I hope you're using something along the lines of the LBRP when you take part in your group's rituals to stay safe.....
 
Blessed Be,
 
--Badger

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From: MSN Nicknameimbas1Sent: 9/27/2007 11:20 AM
Really? You like that saying? Personally, I don't agree with any of it! I'd change it to To learn, you must be aware, and drop the whole born, die thing. I think we exist as various forms of energy, so living dying, are both the same and irrelevant!

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From: MSN Nickname»®ed«·»Ph¤enïX«Sent: 9/28/2007 4:05 AM
Hi Badger ... errr Furfa (?)
 
I understand the mechanics behind the 'bubble effect' now, but when I first started guarding the circle and observing it in many states, it was an interesting phenomenon - one I've gotten used to when it occurs, which isn't often. I've noticed that it only happens when the group is totally in sync with each other and becomes a cohesive unit whether its raising energy for a 'working' or simply being co-joined in the experience. I've noticed that if there is a new comer or someone is there in body but not whole-heartedly or someone is ill then its not as cohesive as it can be. Same goes with priesthood ... some are much better at circle casting then others (a tangible difference). There isn't really a LBRP for those outside the circle thats up to the guardian, but there is a series of purifications and sweeps for inside the ritual space that cleanses and balances the energies therein - which also helps set the participants headspace as a kind of trigger to sacred space.
 
Hey there Imbas ...
 
That bit of prose is one of the Odyssean wine blessings, used to signify dualities & balances in the cyclic nature of life. There are other wine blessings, but that one I find appropriate to the harvest season - seed (born) to flower (live) to harvest (die) and back again to seed. I agree that our energy state is more fluid then that bit of prose provides but for the purpose of focus and intent, this one has a working place in ritual. For instance the line "To live you must suffer" ... well I simply don't agree, I'm having a great time learning new stuff!
 
This is the whole of it (currently under revision because some consider it politically incorrect and out-dated) ...
 

The Wine Blessing

<o:p> </o:p>

P                 the male holds the power <o:p></o:p>

                   and is the reservoir of the power<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

PS              the female taps the power in him and channels it<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

Both          neither one can work without the other<o:p></o:p>

                   one without the other is incomplete<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

P                 the Horned God is a God of life and death<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

PS              the Goddess is of birth and renewal<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

Both          to learn you must suffer<o:p></o:p>

                   to live you must be born<o:p></o:p>

                   to be born you must die<o:p></o:p>

                   the beginning, the continuation and the end<o:p></o:p>

                   over and over<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

P                 the sun brings forth light<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

PS              and the moon holds it in darkness<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

P                 as above<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

PS              so below<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

P                 and as the athame is to the male<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

PS              so the cup is to the female<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

Both          and conjoined they be one in truth<o:p></o:p>

                   for there is no greater power in all the world<o:p></o:p>

          than that of a man and a woman joined <o:p></o:p>

in the bonds of love<o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p>

 

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From: MSN NicknameCuriousRattySent: 11/18/2007 10:09 PM
Hi Red

I thought I would post an Odyssean alternate wine blessing, since you have the original posted in here!

P In the womb of night, a spark flickers

Ps Between sky and sea

P Between fire and ice

Ps Nurtured by compassion

P Fed by passion

Ps Building form and igniting force

P Rising to the heights and descending to the depths

Ps Each half of the whole, separating and re-joining to create life

P As the athame is of the spark

Ps So the cup is of the womb

Both And together they bring forth all blessings.

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