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| | | From: Wanduring (Original Message) | Sent: 6/10/2004 2:23 AM |
"Plikt closed her eyes, "The Nordic language recognizes four orders of foreignness. The first is the otherlander, or utlanning, the stranger we recognize as being a human of our world, but of another city or country. The second is the framling. This is the stranger that we recognize as human, but of another world. The third is raman, the stranger that we recognize as human, but of another species. The fourth is the true alien, the varelse, which includes all the animals, for with them no conversation is possible. They live but we cannot guess their purposes or causes make them act. they might be intelligent, they might be self-aware, but we cannot know it"." (from the book Speaker of the Dead by Orson Scott Card pg34) |
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Was reading this book and came across this passage last night (btw, good series of books, very interesting ideas and whatnot), and thought that this might be a good discussion quote. Within our daily lives we run across this sorta division of people we run across. I am thinking that this perhaps is a cause to alot of racial, religious and sexest barriers...I don't know for certain. To most men women would fall under the Raman group of strangeness. I dunno if the reverse is true not being female myself. Also in the cases of race or religion alot of people would seem to fall under the framling group of strangeness...not to mention that everyday we run across people that we accept as being,"human"(or the same as us), but still a stranger which would be the Utlanning group. I don't know exactly where I am going with this, but I am going to fumble through it. Anyhow, it seems to me that almost everyone we meet in this day and age would at least fall under the utlanning group, except for certain friends and family we hold close and can understand completely. With such a division of people starting like this, it isn't much of a surprise how many fights and arguements break out between people. Because we don't fully accept them as part of ourselves or even in alot of cases fully human. Most people seeming to be odd or strange to our way of thinking. Anyhow, any thoughts? |
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| Interesting, Wanduring. In my dialect, (a Friesian one similar to low German) there are the same "orders of foreignness" and the words are themselves are not too different from the Nordic. They are words I have used myself but you have definitely given me pause for thought now on why I use them to describe this group or that group. Hmmmm.... Leila | | | |
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This is indeed interesting Wanduring... there are some times when the same people fall into the different catagories at different times. I believe my husband has seemed to me to be every one at some point or another! |
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