Betwixt the Sea and Sky

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Kutadanta accused the Buddha: "I am told that you teach the law of life and the way, yet you tear down religion. Your followers despise rituals and abandon sacrifices. But reverence for the gods can only be shown through sacrifices. The very nature of religion is that of worship and sacrifice." The Buddha replied: "Greater than the massacring of bullocks is the sacrifice of self. He who offers up his evil desires will see the uselessness of slaughtering animals at the altar. Blood has no power to cleanse, but the giving up of harmful actions will make the heart whole. Better than worshiping gods is following the ways of goodness." -Digha Nikaya

From "Buddha Speaks," edited by Anne Bancroft, 2000.

Smart man that Buddha eh?

You know, to my knowlege, There is NO documented proof that any GOD(DESS) has ever appeared and said this is the way to worship me, or even that you must worship me. It has always been interpreted by a man or woman, whom is spoken to .....eh, privately. That's rather like pouring drink into a cup with no bottom and passing it around to get everyone's opinion on what the drink taste like, isn't it?

I mean, if I was a God, I certainly wouldn't depend on a human to get it right,

I was a really lazy god......

Actually it depends on what you consider documented proof. I mean, take the Christian standpoint for example...about jesus telling large groups of people EXACTLY how god wants them to worship...with even a set list of does and don'ts...Now the arguement goes that manyof the books of the New testament were written long after the death of christ...which is why you need to define documented proof...Take the Appearance of the lady of fatima...many documented cases of a personage appearing and giving orders..some that werenot even supposed to be opened until rather recently. Then you have various mythos and legends about these things or that things being taught to various peoples... There are documented proofs..but even documented proofs are only proofs if you chose to accept them. The thing about Jesus was that even contemporaries of him..for example Josephus stated that the miracles performed by jesus had to make him an angel...is that documented proof? It is definately documented...but still not a proof...most proofs can only come from a inward recognition of this or that being a proof...otherwise you have people still denying that the world is a sphere..even to spite them, because THEIR documented proofs state otherwise...is one of the major flaws in creating a belief structure from the beliefs of others, rather than seeking out for yourself.

Well, in my opinion, Documented proof means real proof. A God or Goddess appears and says what to do. Not just to one person or a couple of people because then, I believe they just made some bull up to further their own gains. See, like this.... God appeared to me the other night and said to bring his word to all you on the Betwixt and PP, and all the other boards I write on. Since there are so many people reading this, it's a good medium. He/She said for all of you to open paypal accounts and send all your money to my email address. I'll open up a church to the new god and spread his real word. Go on now, God/Goddess is waiting, (as am I). Oh yea, you'll all fry in the corn oil of hell if you don't, but if you do, you'll be able to tell everyone you know the truth and when you die, he'she will take of you.....Jesus was a god in the same way that Grant or Custer were great generals or that preacher in the white suit on tv is casting out your demons by whacking you in the head. He was a man made into a god by his followers or his own delusions. I could write that David Blane's "miracles" make him an angel. Is he? No he's an illusionist, as probably Jesus was, if you even buy that Jesus existed in the context that the new religion wanted people to believe. Which I don't. I lived through enough history to read about it later and see how it's totally slanted to be more than it was. Fatima, IMO, is mass hysteria, brought on by a insane desire to see what they want to see.

You see, that is exactly my point though, there is no real proof other than what you personally accept. Whether what you accept is reality or no, doesn't matter...actually this is really jsut a perception is reality discussion really. What is real to you is only what you accept as real. Anyhow, just a thought...

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