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Isaiah:49:001	Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
049:002	And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
049:003	And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
049:004	Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God. [My question: who is this speaking? Who is saying, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain?]
049:005	And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. The Servant is speaking in v-5---saying God formed him from the womb; for what purpose? To bring Jacob again to God; then who is it the 'Israel' who is not gathered? Who is this Servant?
049:006	And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. In this verse, 6--- God is telling His Servant, whom he calls Israel and Jacob, that it is a light thing for the servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob; ---- now who do you think did this? Then God tells him I will also give thee for a LIGHT to the Gentiles~~~~ So who was the LIGHT FOR THE Gentiles?
049:007	Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. Who is speaking here? God is speaking to His Servant.
049:008	Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; Here God tells this Servant that He has heard him and helped him. Then God says to him "I will preserve you and give you for a COVENANT of the people; also this Servant is to establish the earth........ so, who is it?
049:009	That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. God is still speaking to his Servant in verse 9- telling him that he will say to the prisoners, Go forth; and to those in darkness, show yourselves. SO~~~~ WHO IS HE?

So , Are you suggesting that JESUS is NOT God , but

only the servant of God ?

Are you Pentecostals ? Or an offshoot of Pentecostalism ?

Assembly ? or S.D. A . or what ?

Jesus is Lord, to answer your questions:

First, I am NOT a member of ANY of the modern day 'churches'. They are ALL in error and away from God. They are ALL wretched, naked, miserable, blind, poor, and do not know it. A statement against them by God Himself. Rev. 3.

Jesus Christ was NOT GOD. He was a man. He is still a MAN in Heaven. There is ONE God and ONE mediator BETWEEN God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus.

God cannot die. God is NOT a man. Jesus was a flesh man. God is a Spirit. Jesus' own words.

After the resurrection, Jesus said to his disciples, Feel me and handle me and see that a SPIRIT HAS NOT FLESH AND BONE AS YOU SEE ME have.

He was still NOT a Spirit.

But in Hebrews one, we find that God made Jesus our God. He is our God. But he is Not God. He was made to be our God.

We worship Jesus because God said for us to worship His Son.

God set Jesus on the throne of God; giving Him all the same power and authority that God himself has, but only AFTER the resurrection.

But if Jesus had failed in his earthly life, he would not have been placed there.

There is not one Scripture anywhere showing any 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, persons in any God head.

There is not one Scripture saying Jesus is God the Son. There is not one Scripture saying that Jesus is any second person in a triune God. There is not one Scripture saying God is a trinity. It is a lie of the whore church.

There is not one Scripture saying God is a first PERSON in any God head. God is not a person. God is a spirit.

There is not one Scripture saying the Holy Ghost is any third person in any God head. There is no Scripture saying the Holy Ghost is a person.

See, this teaching has not one word of Scripture foundation. It is sunken sand.

Any more questions? If so, I will answer them with the Word of God.

Now if you think any of the above statement ARE in the Word of God, please show them to me.

Tom, what Scripture said this? Give me the Book, chp. and verse.

Tom, I am saying God is not a human being. God is a Spirit. He is a spirit being or spirit person as are the angels. But He is not a human person. But Jesus was, and is.

Do you want to know what scripture that says God is a person?

Jesus was a man like as we are while he was here about 33and 1/2 years, but now he is just as his Father is he has his glory ( what is his glory? his body.) back that he had in the beginning.

No his Father never has been here in a natural body flesh bone and blood.

Tom you still have not shown any scripture that said God was a person. We need scripture which you have not shown because there is not one that said that God is a person.

So you want a verse showing that God is a person.

Read Heb 1: 1-4 God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath pointed heirs of all things,by whom also he made the worlds. 3 Who being the brightness of his glory( God'sbody) AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON(GOD'S PERSON) and upholding all things by the word of his power.

So there you have it Jesus Christ the Son of God was the express image of God's person.

and to show that Jesus Christ was God the Son read Psa 45: 6 and 7th verse.Thy throne (God the Father talking to his Son) thy throne O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7th verse Thou lovest righteousness, and hated wickedness:

therefore God(God the Father calling his Son Jesus Christ God) thy God(God the Father) hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness(The Holy Ghost) above thy fellows.

God the Father call his Son Jesus Christ God. so that makes him God the Son,so there is scripture that Jesus Christ is God the Son.

I don't just put down idle words ,I have bible for everything that I say.

Most of the time Joie doesn't know what she is talking about. She is more wrong most often than she is right.

The trouble is that you and her are trying to figure God out with a carnal mind.

God's word is spiritual and that is the only ways you can discern it.

Tom, this Scripture in Hebrews is NOT saying that God is a human person. True, God has personality; but He is Spirit being; a Spirit person.

There is a world of difference.

I know that Scripture, but I also know it is not saying God is a human person as we think of persons. Surely all of you know God is not the same as one of us? Surely you do not think of the eternal God as a mere human person? Surely you do not equate him with us, or us with him? Surely you must know that God said the angels are greater in might and power than a human being? Surely you all know they are not the same kind of life or being that we are?

I also know God called His Son God, because he set him to be our God. But this still does not say, God the Son, as taught in that trinity doctrine.

No, I am not wrong most of the time because I give pure Scripture for EVERY THING I TEACH. None of it is man's doctrine or my thoughts. You are going by man-made doctrine.

Jesus is the image of the INVISIBLE GOD.

The angels are also called MEN in the Word. But if you look up that word in Strongs you will find that it does not have the same meaning as the word MEN when speaking of us humans.

That is the same way with this one and only time God is referred to as a person.

It is only saying Jesus is the image of the being of God.

Look, you need to see that when God called his Son God was AFTER he resurrected Jesus back to life and set Him at his own right hand, meaning God gave Jesus all the same power and authority as God has.

I have not ever, and am not saying the resurrected, glorified Jesus is not our God. I am saying the man Christ Jesus, BEFORE his resurrection and being given the throne of God, was not God.

Jesus in his earthly life as a man was NOT God.

If he had been God, he could not have died and went into hell.

If he had been God he could not been tempted in all points like unto his bretheren (humans). God cannot be tempted with evil.

He was made in all points like unto his bretheren (humans).

This earthly man, this mortal being, Jesus, was NOT GOD.

I am not suggesting this, I am declaring it.

It is the only true teaching.

You can not get any plainer that Heb. 1: 3 that God is a person, You hate to take the word of God don't you.

The word condems just as well as it save.

It is a twoedged sword, cuts both ways.

Why do you think that God put's these things in his book for

Just to be looked over.

No where in the bible does it call God a spirit person, even if it did it would show that he is a person.

We are made in his image. if we are a person ,or persons God would have to be a person also. not as we are for we are subject to death,but he is not. Never the less a person.

Jesus could not save a dishonest person and I am not trying. I am here to get the true word of God out to honest people.

I am telling you what the bible says and you are denighing it. Who do you think God is going to bless? One that will take his word and live it, or the one that defys his word,and do what they want instead of what God wants. That is what satan is a person that does not want to obey God.

The bible means just what it says.

God is a Spirit. the bible says thatJohn 4: 24 God is a spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth, Now notice this phase God is a Spirit,but he said God before he said Spirit (notice that) and they that worship him must worship him in spirit ( That didn't mean a spirit with out a body though, you can see that I know,that is if you want to) we must worship him in spirit ,but not with out a body.

I am proving that God has a body and not just a spirit, an imaganation floating around in the world.

We worship him in spirit, but not with out a body. Therefore God has a body, God is a Spirit Luke 24: 38 and 39 38After Jesus rose from the dead,and appearred unto his apostles Jesus was made an quickening spirit 1 Cor.15: 45 What I am showing you is a spirit with a body,and there are spirits with out a body. Asthe spirits of devils, and also there is spirits of God that you can not see visible but Jesus Christ was made a quickening spirit, but he had a celestial body, as he says here in Luke 24: 39.

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