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| | | From: Masugu (Original Message) | Sent: 8/28/2003 8:21 PM |
Hi Folks;
Well I hope that Ray got enough on his Schwabs, Lees, and Wells to give him a jump-start. Next up on our hit parade is Jackie with "My Brick Wall" posted on 12/6/2002. A gist of Jackie's messages follows.
Jackie's main brickwall is g-g-granddad, John C. SANDS--who were his parents and siblings? She is also looking for the death certificates for John and her other g-g-granddad, Martin ERICKSON. She's requested info on both from Vermilion Co., Champaign Co., and the Vermilion Co. Genealogy Society, to no avail.
Data follows:
Rev. Martin ERICKSON
b. Dec.1,1840 Norway
d. 31 July 1906, Vermilion Co., IL
John C.SANDS.
b. 1833 at sea enroute from Ireland, d. 13 Oct.1912 Vermilion Co., IL
m1. 1857 Jersey Co.IL to Christena HUTCHCRAFT
m2. (Not proven)June 1870 St.Clair, IL to Nancy A. HAMILTON
Christena HUTCHCRAFT
b. 1840 IL died 1870 Mt.Vernon, IL:.
Children: Rueben, b 1858 IL
Mary, b.1861 IL--m. John CHERRY
John C., b 1870 IL
Nancy A. HAMILTON
b 1855 Scotland
d. unknown
Children: Anna L., b 1877 IL, d. 1932
Hugh, b. 1880 IL
Charles, b 1885 IL
Jackie found John C.SANDS in:
a) 1860 Bond Co.census,
b) 1870 Jefferson, Mt.Vernon census,
c) 1880,1900,1910 census,but can't find him in 1850. He would have been around 17 in 1850.
Misc: John SANDS was a private in the Civil War--Company F, 48th Inf., IL
One of the papers Jackie has states that John C. SANDS was b. in 1838, in Ramsey, IL vice being b. at sea in 1833.
The Rev. Martin Erickson was a Minister of the Gospel..
*****
Following Jackie will be Redhead (aka Jean) with "BUCHMEIER-SEEMANN Monee, Will Co., IL" posted on 12/8/2002. Jean is looking for any available information on her BUCHMEIER, TENHOFF, SEEMANN, KUMMELINE, MASON/MASOUS, and HUTCHINS families. A gist of what Jean provided along with some data extracted from responses made by Gordon and Mel follows: (Jean, we really could use some additional data here!)
Couple 1)
Johann (Friedrich?) BUCHMEIER:
b. poss. 1852, in IL
d. poss. 1935, Monee, Will Co., IL
md. Anna (F.) TENHOFF poss 1877
Anna TENHOFF:
b. ??? in IL
d. poss. 1943, Monee Village, Will Co., IL
Children: Wm. BUCHMEIER
Lived in Monee, Will Co., IL
Couple 2)
Henrich (Henry) SEEMANN:
b. poss. 1846
d. ???
md. Henrietta KUMMELINE
Henrietta KUMMELINE:
b. poss. 1849
d. poss. 1939
Children: Lillian SEEMANN
Lived in Monee, Will Co., IL
Couple 3)
Wm. BUCHMEIER:
b. ca. 1892 in ???
d. ca. 185 in ???
md. Lillian SEEMANN:
Lillian SEEMANN:
Children:
Evelyn b, ca, 1914
Ethel b. ca. 1916
Lived in Monee, Will Co., IL
Couple 4)
G-granddad--George W. MASON or MASOUS:
b. ???
d. ???
md: Elizabeth HUTCHINS Nov 9 1870 in Lexington Co., IL
G-grandmom--Elizabeth HUTCHINS:
b. ???
d. ???
Children:
Harry: b. ???, d. ???
Maggie b. ???, d. ???
Moved to IA some time after Maggie's birth.
*****
Cheers, Wayne
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 8/30/2003 7:49 PM |
Hi Jackie;
I had hoped to have more for you by now but Genealogy.com isn't recognizing my membership right now.
A quick look at the 1860 Census also indicates that John was b. in IL. Additionally on that and the following page there are other Sands families, to wit: Jackson & Mary Sands & family, Wm. & Catherine Sands & family, and Willis Sands--all from IL. Its likely that these are kin. Finally there was a John Sands (possibly an ancestor of your John?) counted in the 1820 & 1840 Census for Gallatin Co., IL and also a John Sands in the 1840 Census for LaSalle Co.
Cheers and pass it forward, Wayne |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 9/2/2003 4:30 PM |
Well Jackie;
You handed us a real can of worms here. (Has anybody else out there in IKK land made any progfress on cracking this brickwall?)
I'm not having much luck finding anything unique on John Sands--the curse of a common name. However, I'm firmly convinced that the John Sands in the earlier IL censuses (b. IL ca. 1837/8) and the one found in later censuses (b. on the Irish Sea in 1833) are two entirely different people. The younger one probably springs from an extended family in and around Bond Co., IL. The older one (and I assume the one that is truly teh one your looking for) probably lived out-of-state till near the turn of the century.
I did find several family trees* on Genealogy.com which reflect a Christina Hutchcraft as having two husbands, m1) John Sands--no issue; M2) John Hutchcraft with 9 children as follows: Elijah, Fanny, Martha, Mary, Elizabeth, John T., William, Sara B, and "Son". Another tree reflects J. Hutchcraft as the first husband and John Sands as the second. It also states that in the 1850, White Co. Census, Christina was listed as being 13 years old. All trees agree that Christina's parents were Elijah Hutchcraft and Eliza Rhodes. However, I don't feel confident that this is the right Christina Hutchcraft. Consolidated data from several trees, on Christina, John Sands and John Hutchcraft follow:
Christina Hutchcraft
b. 11 Jul 1837, Burnt Prairie, White Co., IL
d. 7 Nov 1880, Burnt Prairie, White Co., IL
M1) John Sands, 8 Mar 1857, White Co. IL
M2) John Hutchcraft, 30 Jun 1857, White Co., IL (I know, it doesn't add up, most of the trees have est. ranges for this marriage)
John Sands
b. est. 1805-1837
d. est. 1862-1924
John T. Hutchcraft
b. 5 Jul 1840, White Co., IL
d. Abt. 1900, Burnt Prairie Cemetary, White Co., IL
Note: John Hutchcraft had two more wives after Christina.
*Most of these family trees did NOT list John Sands as a husband, leading me to believe that this is a case of mistaken identity also.
A website with this Christina's family tree can be found at: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/a/n/Mary-F-Wann-MO/index.html
POC: Mary F Wann
Waynesville, MO 65583
573-774-0381
[email protected]
Christina Hutchcraft (b. July 11, 1837, d. November 07, 1880)
Christina Hutchcraft (daughter of Elijah Hutchcraft and Elizabeth Ann "Eliza" Rhodes) was born July 11, 1837 in White Co ILL, and died November 07, 1880 in White Co ILL. She married John Thomas Hutchcraft on June 30, 1857 in Carmi, White Co ILL, son of Thomas Hutchcraft and Phoebe Ann Farmer.
More About Christina Hutchcraft:
Burial: November 09, 1880, Burnt Prairie Cemt, Burnt Prairie, White Co ILL.
More About Christina Hutchcraft and John Thomas Hutchcraft:
Marriage: June 30, 1857, Carmi, White Co ILL.
Children of Christina Hutchcraft and John Thomas Hutchcraft are:
Elijah H Hutchcraft, b. Abt. 1858, d. date unknown.
Martha A Hutchcraft, b. Abt. 1862, d. date unknown.
Mary Hutchcraft, b. Abt. 1863, d. date unknown.
Elizabeth A Hutchcraft, b. Abt. 1865, d. date unknown.
+Frances (Fannie) Hutchcraft, b. Abt. 1870, White Co ILL, d. Abt. 1936, Lilbourn, New Madrid Co Mo.
William H Hutchcraft, b. March 27, 1873, d. date unknown.
John Thomas Hutchcraft, b. September 07, 1876, d. date unknown.
Sarah Belle Hutchcraft, b. September 18, 1879, d. date unknown.
Family Archives:
Christine Hutchcraft found in:
Illinois, 1851-1900 Marriage Index
Gender: The gender of Christine Hutchcraft is female.
Spouse: John Hutchraft
Marriage Date: Jul 05, 1857
County: White
More About: This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 0977068 - 0977072.
GoogleSearch Results:
Name: samuel sands <[email protected]>
Date: 2002-03-21
Which site have you visited? --
Your earliest known ancestor? john c sands 48th il inf 1864-1865
Comments: My part of the sands family were from vermilion co il. My grandfather was Hugh Sands a coalminer. He had 13 children.
Still looking, cheers, Wayne |
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| | | From: Masugu | Sent: 9/2/2003 6:00 PM |
Hi Jackie;
Here's one for the Rev. Martin Erickson. Do you have all the census data on him also? Cheers, Wayne
Illinois Marriage Records, 1851-1900
ERICKSON, MARTIN
Spouse: SHIPPS, AMANDA Marriage Date: 13 Dec 1889
County: Vermilion State: IL |
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| | From:  Janie· | Sent: 9/3/2003 2:43 AM |
Edward C. Erickson, aged 32, beloved husband of Emma [daughter of Julius Gerke]. Mamasmurf and Carrie - This wouldn't be one of your Gerkes, would it?  |
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