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From: MSN Nicknamekelbel59  (Original Message)Sent: 9/24/2008 12:54 PM
Ok, it's early and my eyes are still fuzzy, but since juds mentioned sink, and tony mentioned a thread and since sink reminded me of soap, we should call it a soapbox thread (just my creative wheels turning at 0 dark 30 am.  scary, huh?)  As far as politics goes....touchy subject.  I have no idea which one of these 2 should be president, so I think perhaps we should just pencil in Gov. Palin.  Say what ye want, I like her...she's a real person.  (And I have been told I look just like her...so Tina Fey, watch out!)  The price of gas sucks, the economy sucks in general, and I hate insurance companies.  My next subject is this horrendously long, never ending war.  It's been so long, I forgot what we went there for, but that matters not.  My son will be redeploying at some point, as will lots of other men and women, so I concentrate all my thoughts and good karma to them.  It is a mixed bag of emotions for me, but he has a job to do and he does it well, so it makes me proud, yet I get scared, a fear that is not even describable.  I don't even watch the news when he's "away"...I stand behind our troops, I support our son, but when Governor Palin gets to be president, I know she'll fix this stuff!  Start kickin but and takin names Sarah!  (Is that her name?)


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From: MSN NicknameTonyR004Sent: 9/24/2008 2:12 PM
Nice call Kel, I'm all for this concept. I reckon we might all dance around a little hoping not to offend. But I still feel strongly we should be able to respectfully express opinions that differ. However, when emotions and beliefs run strong, and opinions have developed over long periods of time, offense may legitimately be taken when none is intended. So if I offend anyone, I apologize in advance. My words are just a result of those opinions and the irrepressible emotions behind them.

So I've considered myself an issue based voter with relatively few major I use to decide. Issue 1: The war. I've been opposed to the War in Iraq from the beginning and McCain has been right beside Bush from the beginning on this topic. We were deceived, plain and simple on many levels. Sadam for sure was a bad guy but so are many others around the globe. I believe under it all, we went for the oil and because we foolishly thought we'd be welcomed by the whole country. Issue 2: The environment. Global warming is real. We should be spending the war money on investing in a new infrastructure of renewable wind and solar power generation. I've heard it said that solving the global warming problem should be our generation's Apollo program. It should be and it matters more to future generations than the Apollo program did. Issue 3: Clean government. I think our system is broken. We no longer have a real democracy. Big money, lobbyists, and the media (backed by big money) have gained so much influence under this administration (and they had too much influence before), that voters seldom get the real story they need if they are going to be active participants in our society. This argument could fill books (and has) but my personal bottom line is that the Bush Administration will go down in history as one of the worst ever. Issue 4: Public education. The promise of public education for every citizen is critical to our country's future. More books could be written on this but here I'll make one more criticism. The idea of "no child left behind," is so convoluted to me. It goes like this? "If students in a school are testing too low on the standardized tests, let's punish the school by taking resources from that school, and therefore the students will somehow magically do better?" How about we figure out how to motivate more of our best and brightest to be teachers by changing how we fund public schools (and again perhaps using some of that war money, or $700 billion financial bail out money) to pay teachers commensurately with the value they provide to society.

I realize I haven't presented bullet proof arguments here. And I realize many will disagree with me. But it may come as a surprise that I am an Obama supporter. And please Kel, don't get me going on Sarah Palin. The thought of President Palin petrifies me. Now President Tina Fey, that would be something to talk about. So that's it for now. I'd better get to work. Tony



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From: judsSent: 9/24/2008 4:50 PM
Yummy!!
 
Just what I was hoping to happen...woo-hoo!  This group is chock-full of smart cookies.  Let the fur begin to fly.
 
However, I would like everyone to be able to easily find this thread about politics, so I am going to haul it into it's own thread, which can be found
 
 
Please add your posts THERE.