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I'm trying to trace my wife's family - Heirene - who, according to my 87 yr old mother-in-law, came from Donnarael and/or Macroom which are allegedly near Cork. The furthest back I can get is Daniel Heirene b.1860, possibly Newport, Monmouthshire or possibly Ireland.
Family lore says the family left Ireland following a dispute with the Republicans. However, I suspect the Famine may be closer to the truth. Any help to get further back would be much appreciated.
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| Paul I have checked the name in the Griffiths There is nothing for cork Mike | |
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| Paul i have found Something that is very similar,in a section from Kilkenny.I will add For you.I believe the name may have changed over the years But Note O'Heerins mike Carroll - Before the Anglo-Norman invasion, there were six distinct septs of O'Carroll, the two most important of which were O'Carroll of Ely O'Carroll (Tipperary and Offaly) and O'Carroll of Oriel (Monaghan and Louth). The territory of Ui-Cearbhall in Ossory (named for Cearbhall Mac Dunghall) has been identified as part of the ancient tribe land of the 'Magh Mail' and being co-extensive with the present barony of Shillelogher, the Liberties of Kilkenny and the districts of Gowran. At least some of the O'Carrolls of Kilkenny are thought to take their name from Cearbhal Mac Dunghall, a 9th century lord of Ossory. John O'Donovan, in his notes to O'Heerin's Topographical Poem makes it clear that there was a distinct O'Carroll sept whose chief was lord of a territory extending from Kilkenny city north-wards to the boundary of the present county of Leix. The 1890 census for Kilkenny noted 25 births in that year for the surname Carroll. | |
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| paul this is just another section,Im not sure if it will help In O'Heerin's Topographical Poem it describes 8 tuatha under the King of Ely (the O'Carrolls of the Plain of Birra). The eight included Kinel Arga alias Cenél Farga (Ui Flannacan); Clan Rooney (Mag Corcran); Crioch Chein (O'Hegan); Clan Maonaigh (O'Dooley, formerly chief of Fartullagh); Clan Conligan (Mac Guilfoyle); Hy Deki (O'Banan); Crioch Keerin, or Ui Cairin and now anglicised Ikerrin (O'Meagher); and Tuath Faralt ( O'Hailchen). O'Heerin next describes Corca Tine and Ely the southern, who were possibly centered in the present Barony of Elyogarty in the County of Tipperary.
O'Donovan in his Ordnance Survey letters notes "From the poem of O'Heerin's it appears that before the Irish principalities were disturbed or dismembered by the Anglo Normans in the 12th century, Ely, the Kingdom of O'Carroll extended from Birr to Ely O'Fogarty in the County of Tipperary and that it comprised the present Baronies of Ballybritt, Clonlisk and Ikerrin." He goes on to cite the extent of Ely O'Carroll defined on the north by the boundary of ancient Meath (by the boundary of the Diocese of Meath); on the east by the ridge of the Slieve Bloom range of mountains (i.e. by Eile Ui Mhordha, aka Ely O'Morha); on the south by Eile Uí Fhógartaigh, aka Ely O'Fogarty (largely the barony of Eliogarty); and on the west perhaps by the baronies of Ormond (formerly part of Muscraighe Tíre).
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Paul Daniel looks like the first Heirene In wales His Marriage details |
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paul you most probably have these but these are listed births Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
| | Heirene | David John | | Newport M. | 11a | 215 |   |
Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
| | Heirene | William Edward | | Newport, M. | 11a | 232 | |
Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Catherine | | Newport Mon | 11a | 217 | |
Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Mary | | Newport,M. | 11a | 217 | |
Births Dec 1894 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Florence | | Newport M | 11a | 225 | |
Births Mar 1896 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Catherine | | Newport M. | 11a | 207 | |
Births Dec 1896 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Mary Ann | | Newport, M. | 11a | 228 | |
Births Mar 1898 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Margaret | | Newport, M | 11a | 227 | |
Births Mar 1900 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Ellen | | Newport, M. | 11a | 246 | |
Births Jun 1900 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Daniel | | Newport M | 11a | 237 | |
Births Dec 1902 (>99%)
| | HEIRENE | Cornelius | | Newport M | 11a | 234 | |
Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
| | HEIRENE | James | | Newport, M. | 11a | 235 | | | HEIRENE | Mary Ann | | Newport, M. | 11a | 268 | |
Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Ellen | | Newport, M. | 11a | 224 | |
Births Sep 1909 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Christopher G | | Newport, M. | 11a | 225 | | | Heirene | Winifred May | | Newport, M. | 11a | 226 | | | Surname | First name(s) | Mother | District | Vol | Page |
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Ernest A | Davies | Newport M. | 11a | 476 | |
Births Sep 1913 (91%)
| | Heirene | Arthur F | Davies | Newport M. | 11a | 552 | | | Heirene | Mary C | Collins | Cardiff | 11a | 874 | |
Births Dec 1913 (95%)
| | Heirene | Phyllis H | Wreford | Newport M | 11a | 536 | |
Births Dec 1914 (42%)
| | HEIRENE | Mary E | Collins | Cardiff | 11a | 719 | |
Births Mar 1915 (98%)
| | Heirene | William A | Davies | Newport M. | 11a | 536 | |
Births Mar 1916 (98%)
| | Heirene | Alfred C | Davies | Newport M. | 11a | 459 | |
Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
| | Heirene | David J | Hudman | Merthyr T. | 11a | 1346 | |
Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
| | Heirene | Dennis M | Collins | Cardiff | 11a | 616 | | |
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These are listed Marriages |
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These are the listed Deaths |
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| Hi Paul, I know this May sound Strange,But i believe The name was Changed Sometime Back In Wales.The name in Ireland is Similar.I have found a Few in The Griffiths.But the name is very Limited.You will see how the name changed.It may give some clues.This is what we believe became Heirene. In the whole of Cork these are only ones listed.It possibly became Heron,Hearne.or Herrin Mike Hereen William Lisvarrinane Clonbeg Tipperary
Hereen Mathew Shrough Bruis Tipperary
Hereen Margaret Ballynakilla East Shandrum Cork In the Whole of the Griffiths there are Just three Hereen Family The Next is the only other one. Heereen John Charleville The Turrets Rathgoggan Cork | |
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| | From:  Paul-B2 | Sent: 10/9/2007 10:34 AM |
Many thanks for your help. I'm sure the name was changed somehow, but not in the way my mother-in-law suggested. After all, if you change your name in order to disappear you don't change it to such an unusual one.
Thanks for trying,
Paul-B2 |
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Hi Paul, My surname is Heirene and most of my reletives come from Wales,however i was always led to belive that my great,great,great granfather whose name was Daniel was greek! He was a magician who topped the bill with the likes of Hudini oftern at the same show's.His stage name was Dandini. i always thought the name Heirene was a made up greek name meaning peace. Also there seems to be a conection to the irish name Gifford which is oftern used double-barrelled with Heirene. Hope this is of use, and i'm proberly related in some way to your mother in-law. Regards Donna |
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Hi Donna Thank you For that Info.It may be usefull Managers |
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Hi, My surname is Heirene also and I was always told that Heirene originated when people came over from Ireland during the potato famine but were illiterate and so the person who was noting the names of the people who migrated just spelt it how he thought it was spelled and that's how it became Heirene. This would link with the Ireland link previously. |
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Hi Clare Thankyou For your Message,I believe The Name to have Changed Maybe From Heereen.There May well Have been Another meaning To the Name.As one member believes .It was First Found in Wales in The Late 1830s.So Most Heirene Family Are related In Wales.On Site You will Find Two Possible cousins. I Believe names Paul and Clare Many Thanks Mike |
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Whoops Sorry I ment Donna Mike |
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| | | From: Paul-B2 | Sent: 12/30/2007 11:09 AM |
Donna,
Daniel was my wife's grandfather. He was an escapologist and I have a photo of him 'in chains.' Just off for a couple of days visiting friends for New Year. I'll post a longer reply later in the week. Definitely looks like we may have a connection.
All the best and a happy New Year.
Paul B2 |
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