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In looking for parents of my Catherine Courtney, b. abt 1830 Ireland, married abt 1853 (possibly Massachusetts or Vigo, Indiana) to Patrick J. Lynch, b. Mar 1822 Kerry, Ireland, probably son of ? Lynch and Mary Bowler b. abt 1805, Kerry, Ireland. Mary Bowler was also married to 2)Patrick Casey about 1840 and 3) Patrick Shea about 1850 - I found the following: Some of the siblings/children and in the census below fit with possible siblings of Katherine Courtney who were later Godparents at some of Kate's children's Christenings in Terre Haute, Vigo, Indiana. -1850; Census Place: Ware, Hampshire, Massachusetts; Roll: M432_321; Page: 386; Image: 286., HH-307-350, line 12 (Ware (Hampshire County), close to Hampden County= Springfield, Chicopee, Holyoke and Hampden are close to each other.) John Courtnay, 60y (b. abt 1790), M, W, born in Ireland Margaret Courtnay, 47y (b. abt 1803), F, W, born in Ireland Catherine Courtnay, 20y (b. abt 1830), F, W, born in Ireland Mary Courtnay, 18y (b. abt 1832), F, W, born in Ireland Eugene Courtnay, 16y (b. abt 1834), M, W, born in Ireland Johanna Courtnay, 12y (b. abt 1838), F, W, born in Ireland Margaret Courtnay, 9y (b. abt 1841), born in Ireland Thomas Courtnay, 8y (b. abt 1842), born in Ireland Mary Courtnay, 5y (b. abt 1845), F, W, born in Ireland I also have contact with Peter James Lenahan - who says that the family tradition is that some of this family went back to County Kerry Ireland and some stayed in the United States (Springfield, Chicopee, Holyoke and Hampden.) He believes this family was originally from Maherabeg, Castlegregory, Barony of Corkaguiny, Kerry, Ireland. Possible relatives to Patrick Lynch and his wife Katherine Courtney, that were buried in St. Mary's Cemetery, St. Mary's Village, Sugar Creek Township, North/West Terre Haute, Vigo County, Indiana, U.S. A. (Tombstone inscriptions): - Cortney, Thomas, Native of Parish Clahane (Cloghane?), County Kerry, Ireland, d. Jan. 17, 1870, 26yrs 20da (calculated birth abt 28 Dec 1843) Erected by friend Patrick Lynch. - Cortney, Margaret, Native of Parish Clahane (Cloghane?), County, Kerry, Ireland, d. Jan. 28, 1872, 30yrs 6mo (calculated birth abt. July 1841). Any help would be appreciated in finding the parents of my 2nd GGrandMother Catherine (Courtney/Cournane) Lynch. Thanks. JES | |
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mickym1951 Don't know where the surname Pedigree came to be added to this family of Courtney: Husband
Courtney Pedigree
Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:
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Wife
Margaret Pedigree
Birth: 23 SEP 1802 South Hadley, , Mayo, Ireland
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:
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Children --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Katherine Courtney Pedigree
Female
Birth: MAR 1832 Clahane Parish, , Kerry, Ireland
Christening:
Death: 28 SEP 1911 Harmon Township, , Lee, Illinois
Burial: 07 OCT 1911 Holy Cross Cemetery,Harmon Township, , Lee, Illinois
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2. Margaret Cortney Pedigree
Female
Birth: About JUL 1841 Clahane Parish, , Kerry, Ireland
Christening:
Death: 28 JAN 1872 Sugar Creek Township, , Vigo, Indiana
Burial: 1872 St Mary'S Cemetery,St Mary'S Village,Sugar Creek Township,North, West Terre Haute, Vigo, Indiana
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3. Thomas Cortney Pedigree
Male
Birth: About 28 DEC 1843 Clahane Parish, , Kerry, Ireland
Christening:
Death: 17 JAN 1870 Sugar Creek Township, , Vigo, Indiana
Burial: St Mary'S Cemetery,St Mary'S Village,Sugar Creek Township,North, West Terre Haute, Vigo, Indiana
BUT I am very upset that someone would use this information and corrupt it after I worked so hard to find and share it! |
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Hi i Added this info from Lds,They use the term Pedigree.I added this so that if others see it it would help you in your search.They use the word all the time Mike |
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To: Michael - mickym1951
I don't think these children belong to my John Cournane and Margaret Sullivan of Maherabeg, Castlegregory, Kerry, Ireland.
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1. MICHAEL COURNANE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 22 MAR 1865 0041, Caher District, Kerry, Ireland
2. Daniel Cournane - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 01 JUN 1879 Droumtay, , Kerry, Ireland
3. Bridget Cournane - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 FEB 1873 , , Ireland
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Their birthdates are too late. Thanks for the other info even though I was the one who first submitted it to FamilySearch/Ancestry - and I have already talked with Raynsky - and we are related on a collateral line. But thanks anyway.
By the way (for the powers that be) I have highspeed Interent and the pages take a long-long time to open in this program and it is difficult to navigate! Hope it improves.
JES
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Hi Jes,Sorry there not right ones,And thankyou for letting me know,Will keep trying for you.To see what we can find Mike |
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Mike M,
NOT a good idea to add to the surname PEDIGREE - it is very confusing. Thanks.
By the way does anyone know where (on-line), short of going to Dublin, to find vital records (1800-1852) for Maherabeg, parish of Castlegregory, barony of Corkaguiny,Kerry,Ireland?
I have looked at:
- Tithes, Corkaguiny Barony, County Kerry, Ireland
- Timothy O'Flaherty Diary (1846-1912)
- U.S. Census' (since some children stayed in US and some went back to Ireland)
- Even looked at the 1901 Irish Civil Parish census' for children/grands and found a few.
What I would REALLY like to find is the marriage record/application for Catherine Courtney/Cournane (b. Mar 1832/33 Co. Kerry, Ireland) married about 1850/53 (possibly Canada, Hampshire or Hampden Counties, Massachusett - or even Terre Haute, Vigo, Indiana, where they had their children) TO: Patrick J Lynch (b. Mar 1822, Co. Kerry, Ireland), which record would hopefully show their parents! They must have been married in the US since Patrick came to US in 1847 (as per 1900 US census) and their first child was born (that I have a record of) in (I have the date - but afraid to give out too much into) 1854 Terre Haute, Vigo, Indiana.
Sincerely hoping for ANY help,
Thanks
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Hi Jes,Let me speak to carol for you,She may find something for you.Thanks for being Patient,With us Mike |
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Jes You could try on this site |
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Hi Jes.. This doesn't seem to be the day for Ancestry.. everything is running real slow.. The following is from the 1870 census Indiana-Vigo_ Sugar Creek Township_ PO St. Mary's Lynch Patrick_ 48 farmer_ Ireland...citizen Kate 40 Ireland * Margaret_75 Ireland Mary 12 Indiana Annie 10 Indiana John 8 Indiana Thomas 5 Indiana Catherine 10 mos....Indiana * Margaret born abt 1795 is Patrick's mother ..not stated in census. In the 1870 census there is no child born 1854.. if this child was the first son born to Patrick and Kate.. he may have been named after Patrick's father... I'll see if I can find anything prior to 1870 jelora |
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| | | From: jelora | Sent: 3/20/2007 11:06 PM |
Hi Jes.. This is the same LYNCH family found in the 1870 census. I need to know if you feel that this is the correct family. 1860 United States Federal Census Name:Mary Linch Age in 1860:2 Birth Year:abt 1858 Birthplace:Indiana Home in 1860:Sugar Creek, Vigo, Indiana Gender:Female Post Office:Terre Haute Value of real estate:View image Household Members:NameAge Patrick Linch 35 born Ireland farmer Catherine Linch 33 Ireland Margret Linch 5 born Illinois (named after his mother) Mary Linch 2 born Indiana |
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Thanks - - but I checked again and the Margaret Lynch in the 1870 census is
15y (the "t" crossing from Margaret is in the wrong place AND I found her
birth -
BIRTH:
SLFHL US/CAN Film 1535914 Item 7, St. Joseph Parish, Terre Haute, Vigo,
Indiana - Baptisms, Marriages, 1853-1862, INDEXED!)
p. 14: "I Baptized Margaret daughter of Patrick Lynch and Catherine
Courtney, his wife, born the 7th of December 1854 - Godfather Eugenius
Courtney. Godmother Abbe Sullivan, (Priest) Simon S. L
Thanks for trying though.
JES
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Yes,
- US 1860 Census: Sugar Creek Twp., Vigo, Indiana (near Terre Haute), Roll: M653_303; Page: 283 (37); Image: 284., HH-252-252, line 19
Patrick Linch, 35y, M, Farmer, 500, 150, born in Ireland
Catherine Linch, 33y, F, Farmer, born in Ireland
Margret Linch, 5y, F, born in Ill.
Mary Linch, 2y, F, born in Ind.
Thanks though I already have all of the census' for my Patrick Lynch (1822-1902) and his wife Catherine COURTNEY/COURNANE (1832/1833-1911) and family.
BUT I still haven't found their marriage record/license. They would probably have been married about 1850/1853, (in the US as Patrick came to US in 1847 and was married 40y 1900 census) possibly married in Hampshire County, Massachusetts - I think they both are there in US 1850 Census (if these are mine):
Patrick Lynch is in the 1850 Census for Hadley, Hampshire, Massachusetts - which is only a few miles away from Ware (below) on the same road as Ware!)
~Possible 1850 (The 4 siblings, who end up later in Terre Haute, Vigo, Indiana, I have fit); Census Place: Ware, Hampshire, Massachusetts; Roll: M432_321; Page: 386; Image: 286., HH-307-350, line 12 -
John Courtnay, 60y (b. abt 1790), M, W, born in Ireland
Margaret Courtnay, 47y (b. abt 1803), F, W, born in Ireland
Catherine Courtnay, 20y (b. abt 1830), F, W, born in Ireland
Mary Courtnay, 18y (b. abt 1832), F, W, born in Ierland
Eugene Courtnay, 16y (b. abt 1834), M, W, born in Ireland
Johanna Courtnay, 12y (b. abt 1838), F, W, born in Ireland
Margaret Courtnay, 9y (b. abt 1841), born in Ireland
Thomas Courtnay, 8y (b. abt 1842), born in Ireland
Mary Courtnay, 5y (b. abt 1845), F, W, born in Ireland
I REALLY need to find the marriage record (preferably civil application or church record) for Patrick J Lynch and Catherine Courtney/Cournane! Maybe then I can prove their parentage. They were Roman Catholic and so there should be a record somewhere (bless those Priests!). I haven't found anything on FamilySearch. Do you have a clue? Here's hoping! I've been looking for this record for years!
Thanks for all your and Mike's help.
Sincerely,
JES
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FYI I FOUND THE MARRIAGE OF PATRICK LYNCH (1822/1829-1902) AND CATHERINE COURTNEY/COURNANE (1830/32-1911)!
Suspecting that my Catherine Courtney was the daughter in the 1800 US Census....
Census Place: Ware, Hampshire, Massachusetts; Roll: M432_321; Page: 386; Image: 286., HH-307-350, line 12
John Courtnay, 60y (b. abt 1790), M, W, born in Ireland
Margaret Courtnay, 47y (b. abt 1803), F, W, born in Ireland
Catherine Courtnay, 20y (b. abt 1830), F, W, born in Ireland
Mary Courtnay, 18y (b. abt 1832), F, W, born in Ireland
Eugene Courtnay, 16y (b. abt 1834), M, W, born in Ireland
Johanna Courtnay, 12y (b. abt 1838), F, W, born in Ireland
Margaret Courtnay, 9y (b. abt 1841), born in Ireland
Thomas Courtnay, 8y (b. abt 1842), born in Ireland
Mary Courtnay, 5y (b. abt 1845), F, W, born in Ireland
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Finding a Patrick Lynch in the 1850 US Census very close -
- 1850; Census Place: Hadley, Hampshire, Massachusetts; Roll: M432_320; Page: 216; Image: 420. (with) HH15, line 26
Patrick Lynch, 28y (b. abt 1822), M, Laborer, born in Ireland
....I decided to look in the "bride's home town" for their marriage and WHAT DO YOU KNOW!
I found the record of the marriage (at the SLFHL) of my 2nd Great Grandparents, Patrick Lynch and Catherine Courtney/Cournane -
MARRIAGE:
Vital Records, Ware, Hampshire, Massachusetts
US/CAN FHL Film#1870253, Item 4, page 13-14, No. 17, 1st line:
Date- 1851, March 29
GROOM - Patrick Lynch
Residence- Ware
Age - 22y
Occupation - Laborer
Place of Birth- Ireland
Name of Parents - Eugene Lynch
First marriage
Married by - John L Do...y, R, C, Priest Springfield
Date of Registry - 1851 Mar 31
BRIDE - Catharine Courtney
Residence - Ware
Age - 21y
Place of Birth - Ireland
Name of Parents - John Courtney
First marriage
....SO NOW....
Does anyone know of a Eugene Lynch, b. abt 1800 from County Kerry, Ireland who had sons named Patrick and John (possibly also a Daniel and Courtney Lynch)? I've been in touch with Brendan Lynch (Ireland) and he has checked the St. Mary's Church baptism records in Castlegregory, Kerry, Ireland - no luck. He suggested that I check the Cloghane, Dingle Catholic Parish records. Any suggestions on how to find these records? I know that they may be too early for available Church records but worth a try. Any help would be appreciated.
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Hi Jes,Took a quick look for you,To see if i could locate records.Then came acrooss this Mike Church Records
The Church of Ireland registers for Cloghane are lost. The parish has long been united to Dingle in the Church of Ireland. The Roman Catholic registers for Killiny and Clohanes (later Castlegregory) parish start in 1828.
The Registers for Dingle parish cover baptisms from 1825, and marriages from 1821.
The registers remain in the custody of the parish priest, although microfilm copies are at the National Archives of Ireland. Written permission from the Bishop of Kerry is required to view these records. |
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Lynch Eugene Cloonsharragh Cloghane Kerry JES in the Griffiths,There were 2 Eugene,But only this one for Cloghane Mike |
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