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| | From:  Chloe-Cat (Original Message) | Sent: 1/2/2009 1:05 PM |
I am trying to find my Grandmothers family.
Her Father: Charles Ford born in Dec 1850 in Silchester, Hampshire England. I thinkings he died in the 1930's in Basingstoke, Hampshire England.
His first wife Jane Jacob born in 1851 in Baughurst, Basingstoke England. I believe she diedin 1882 in Silchester, Hampshire England.
They had 3 children:
William Charles Ford born March 1877 In Silchester. (I have checked all the census up to 1891 in regards to him. He doesn't appear in them. Yet I know he supposedly got married and had children.
Lilla Ann Ford born July 1880. In Silchester, She married a Alfred P Baugh and they had 3 children.
Edith Ellen Ford born Oct 1882 inSilchester.(she is my grandmother she married Edgar Stephen Taylor in 1902 and they moved to Canada in 1912.
My great-grandfather did marry again to a Maude E ? and they had 2 daughters Ann born in 1888 and Maude born in 1889.
I would really like to know what happened to Edith's big brother Charles I believe the family also called him Willie.
I have some old letters that are very hard to read but one talks about a big house and also says something about working in Kings road. when they speak of him. | |
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Whoops - my apologies - in the last message above it should have read people COULDN'T read or write or spell - or of course count. Awful to think of now though. Kay Manager |
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One mystery solved. Having now found Charles & Elizabeth on th 1861 census, it has become clear that Eleneyer Jane was in fact LOUISA. I will list details of the 1861 census here and then below I will list the actual birth records I can find for all the various children: Charles Ford b: 1823 Silchester, Hampshire - Head - Married - Blacksmith Elizabeth Ford b: 1822 Aldersmaston, Berkshire - Wife - Married Louisa Ford b: 1848 Silchester, Hampshire - Daughter - Scholar Charles Ford b: 1850 Silchester, Hampshire - Son - Scholar (this would be your William Charles Ford) Henry Ford b: 1854 Silchester, Hampshire - Son - Scholar Maria Ford b: 1855 Silchester, Hampshire - Daughter - Scholar Ellen Ford b: 1858 Silchester, Hampshire - Daughter - Scholar Emma Ford b: 1860 Silchester, Hampshire - Daughter - Scholar William Rolfe b: Kingsclear, Hampshire - Lodger - Widower - Shoemaker The residence address was: The Common, Silchester, Hampshire. Kay Manager |
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Now, here are some relevant records for you, starting with Charles Ford & Elizabeth Rolfe's marriage: Here is Elizabeth Rolfe's birth record - showing her mother as Maria - you will notice Elizabeth & Charles named one of their daughters after her:  | | | |
Event(s): | | Birth: | | Christening: | | 05 MAY 1822 | Aldermaston, Berkshire, England | | | Death: | | Burial: | Now here are the birth records of Charles & Elizabeth's children: Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
| | FORD | Emma Ho* | | Basingstoke | 2c | 1*1 | | I have checked the original image of Emma's birth record and it does state Emma Rosetta Ford. Kay Manager |
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In the 1851 census: Charles Ford b: 1823 Silchester, Hampshire - Head - married - Blacksmith Elizabeth Ford b: 1823 Aldermaston, Berkshire - Wife - married Mary Ann Ford b: 1844 Silchester, Hampshire - Daughter - single - Scholar Sarah Elizabeth Ford b: 1846 Silchester, Hampshire - Daughter - single- Schloar Elneyer Jane Ford b: 1848 Silchester, Hampshire - Daughter - single - at home Charles Ford b: 1850 Silchester, Hampshire - Son - single - at home. Address of Residence: Smiths Shop, Silchester, Hampshire The one thing I can't quite fathom is that although I've found a birth record for Louisa Jane Ford - the birth date of which fits - we always seem to have her showing as Eleneyer or similar spelling, so I'm wondering if perhaps this was her name and her parents overlooking recording her birth. The only other birth record around that time was for a Lavinia Jane Ford b: 1850 Basingstoke. I can't find any listings for her in the census records so it's possible this could be the correct one. I would just hold a question mark over this at the moment - if you want me to search for her later in the census records under perhaps a married name, this may give us more information. Kay Manager |
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With regards to the 1841 census bear in mind that unfortunately the relationship of each individual to the head of the household isn't listed, so we can't always be certain of whether they are children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews and so on - we have to keep an open mind. Sometimes this information presents itself on later census images when these details are more readily available. By the same token, ages are sometimes rounded up or down to the nearest five years so we can't always get an accurate indication of age. However, I will list below what I've found for Charles Ford b: 1823c with what I believe to be his parents - look at his mother's name - I believe this confirms what I found above that in fact Charles & Elizabeth's daughter was certainly Lavinia Jane Ford. See what you think: Charles Ford b: 1786 Hampshire - Smith Lavinia Ford b: 1786 Hampshire (I would certainly think she would be wife) Charles Ford b: 1823 Hampshire (father of your William Charles Ford later on) George Ford b: 1834 Hampshire Ann Ford b: 1811 Hampshire Address of residence: Silchester Common, Hampshire Kay Manager |
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Here's a bit of a puzzle! I've found Charles & Lavinia Ford (both born around 1786 - Charles in Silchster, Lavinia in Tadley) on the 1851 census living in Silchester, with Charles being recorded as Blacksmith. Living with them is Lavinia Ford b: 1850c Silchester, Hampshire but recorded as their niece! This means that if she is the daughter of your Charles b: 1823c, he can't be Charles & Lavinia's son, otherwise, Lavinia (born 1850c) would be recorded as their grand-daughter. Unless, of course, the birth record I found for Lavinia Jane Ford was for a child of Charles' (born 1786) sibling. I hope you can follow my thoughts on this one. We have to pose a question mark at this stage I feel as nothing is that clear cut. Sorry if this is confusing but I feel best to post all I find and let you make your own decisions if we can't find any concrete proof. Kay Manager |
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The plot thickens! By 1861 Lavinia J Ford b: 1850 Silchester, Hampshire is living with James Green and his wife Lucy and recorded as their niece. Lucy Green was born in 1818 Silchester, Hampshire and was in fact Lucy Ford, her parents being Charles & Lavinia - I have found her birth record giving this information. We still can't be certain of Lavinia's (born 1850c) parents but I feel the information I found earlier on Louisa Jane Ford was the correct one to fit as the child of your Charles & Elizabeth. The only way to prove this, would be to obtain birth certificates for either Lavinia Jane or Louisa Jane. Either way it would cost you money and to be truthful, is is that important to you? I think perhaps I will leave you with what I've found this evening, let you digest this and get back to me when you are ready, as to which direction you'd like me to go to next! Better that than bombard you with information you are not looking for. I hope all this has helped you and look forward to your reply! Kay Manager |
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| In regards to William Charles Ford born 1877, I found some girls names that may be wife or children. They are Prudence, Gracie,Bella and Effie. Also his sister mentions something about him owning a big house on Cuimberland Rd and haveing a business Kings Rd. This would be in the 1930's or earlier. unfortunately the letters are not dated. They have lived in Reading as that is where his sister Lilla at the time. |
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The difficulty we have is that after 1901 census it's very difficult to pinpoint the family members together - until we have release of the 1911 of course! I will certainly see if I can throw any light on the female names you list and if I find anything will post here. Kay Manager |
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Well I've found a marriage record which initially looks as though it would fit very nicely: Marriages Sep 1900 (>99%) However, the only question mark I have about this is that William is listed on the 1901 census as being "single", so I'm dubious about this being correct. I will search more! Kay Manager |
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Oh of course - my error - William was William Charles wasn't he - not William Henry. Back to the drawing board! Kay Manager |
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Rather a long-shot but found a marriage record of William Charles Ford and Mary Grace Burrows - just an idea of course: Kay Manager |
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| I believe we are on the right track with Mary Grace Burrow. I came across a letter written in 1946. It was sent by Lilla A Baugh (nee Ford) to my grandmother. In this letter Lilla states that Will died but she doesn't state, where, when, or cause of death. She also says that Gracie never recovered from Will's death and has also died, again she doesn't state when,where or cause of death which of course may have been from a broken heart due to the loss of her husband. The letter also goes on to say that Will and Gracie's daughter (no name) married a Tom Ward from Silchester, but again it doesn't state when or where. Lilla doesn't say anything about Will and Grace having any other children. |
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Well that's a step in the right direction. The problem after about 1920 is when searching for records it's a case of literally searching each quarter of each year - this could mean a whole time span of, say, 40 years! Without some idea of dates and places it's almost impossible to pinpoint the exact records. They must be there somewhere but it's very difficult to know where to start! If any dates become apparent though, do feel free to post and I will check them out. Kay Manager |
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