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Earlier today I had caught a quick blurb about WW1 and a battle in the middle east. I wasn't payin' full attention so I am not sure if it was about Allenby, or some other Brit officer. Anyway I had heard a quick mention that in one of the battles that Allenby? Or some other officer had remembered a battle from the bible 'tween the Israelites and the Philistines. Consulted the text and was able to flank or surprise the enemy by usin' a pass that was mentioned in the bible. Or somethin' to this effect. I have done some searches on line and have not been able to find any info as such. Could be my wordin' of the search. Anyway I am curious as to if ya'll know what I am talkin' about and if ya can give me any more specifics about such a event. |
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I can tell you that Allenby was a great General, who captured Jurusalem and destroyed the Ottoman Empire in an afternoon. He devised a superb campaign of deceipt and even dropped 'doped cigarettes' on the Turkish lines before the battle. |
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Major, the English have been using drugs to surpress the multitudes for centuries. See China. T-Dog |
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Mark, thank you for the correction. Can you please get the Major to write proper english? T-Dog |
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Tommy It was the Chinese who forced us to supply them with drugs by making us accept pure silver for Indian Opium. Nearly made us go broke. |
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Tom... the Chinese government didn't give a shite about their population smoking opium, what they objected to was somebody from the outside making some money out of it, instead of all of it for them. The opium was grown in India, and the Indians hit the roof when they discovered the trade might be in danger and pressured the Brits no end to maintain their living. Also, remember that opium did not carry the baggage it does now, why even Queen Vic took a form of opium, and the Chinese ran opium dens in many major cities throughout Britain. They were the first Chinese takeaways..... but schhhhh, let's not spoil their reputation as victims eh? |
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| | From: sid599 | Sent: 3/31/2008 3:10 AM |
NomalParanoia Here is the story and a link. Spach, John Thom, "Allenby And The Last Crusade," MILITARY HISTORY, March, 1996, (741 Miller Dr. SE, Suite D-2, Suite 300, Leesburg, VA 22075.
On February 13, 1918, the 60th Division took over the Deir Ibu Obed-Ras es Suffa-Hezmeh Line from the 53rd Division, and on the next day, operational orders were issued for an attack on Jericho with the object of driving the enemy across the Jordan River. Before the main attack could take place, it was necessary to straighten out the Brit- ish line by capturing a small village in the hands of the Turks and directly in front of the 180th Brigade. The village was named Mukhmas, or Michmash.
A frontal assault was decided upon. Supported by artillery and machine guns. The brigade was to move down into the valley separating the two lines, and at dawn it would storm up the other side, in the face of the enemy fire. The plan would entail some casualties, but those were deemed unavoidable. All orders were issued, then the troops got what rest they could.
In his bivouac, by the light of a candle, Major Gilbert read his Bible. When the raid was first discussed, the name Michmash had sound- ed vaguely familiar, although he could not quite place it. Just as he was about to put out his candle, he thought he would try one more time to find the name. At last he found what he was searching for in I Samuel, Chapter 13 and 14: "And Saul and Jonathan, his son, and the people that were present with them, abode in Gibeah: but the Philis- tines encamped in Michmash.
"Now it came to pass upon a day that Jonathan, the son of Saul, said unto the young man that bare his armor, 'Come and let us go over to the Philistines' garrison, that is on the other side,' but he told not his father....And the people knew not that Jonathan was gone.
"And between the passages, by which Jonathan sought to go over to the Philistine garrison, there was a sharp rock on the one side, and a sharp rock on the other side: the name of one was Bozez, and the name of the other Seneh. The forefront of one was situated northward over against Michmash, and the other southward over against Gibeah. And Jonathan said to the young man that bare his armour...'It may be that the Lord will work for us; for there is no restraint to the Lord to save by many or by few.'"
The major read on how Jonathan went through the pass of Michmash, between Bozez and Seneh, and climbed the hill with his armor-bearer following behind, until they came to a place high up, about "a half acre of land, which a yoke of oxen might plow," and the Philistines who were sleeping awoke, thought they were surrounded by the armies of Saul, and the "multitudes melted away" as they fled in disorder. Saul then attacked with his whole force of 600 men. It was a great victory for him, and "so the Lord saved Israel that day and the battle passed over into Bethaven."
"This pass, these rocky headlands and flat piece of ground are probably still there," Gilbert told himself. "Very little has changed in Palestine throughout the centuries." He woke General Watson and in- formed him of what he had found in the Bible. Together they read the story over again. Then Watson sent out scouts, who came back and reported finding the pass, thinly guarded by the Turks, with rock crags on either side--obviously Bozez and Seneh. Up in Michmash, the moonlight shone on a flat piece of ground just big enough for a team to plough.
Immediately, Watson decided to change the plan of attack. Instead of the whole brigade, one infantry company advanced in the dead of night along the pass of Michmash. The few Turks they met were quickly and silently dealt with. They passed between Bozez and Seneh, climbed the hillside and, just before dawn, found themselves on the flat piece of ground. When the Turkish soldiers awoke, they thought they were surrounded by several British armies and fled in disorder.
Every enemy soldier who had slept that night in Michmash was either killed or captured. After thousands of years, the tactics of Jonathan and Saul had again met with success.
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Major, ref #8 - Excellent response. See arrogance. T-Dog |
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Tommy, what's the Major's arrogance ? At least we had to travel to shoot our customers up. One of these days I'll find the Google bit about the Poteen wars, and then the Major and I will have last laugh. |
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Sid, thanx that was indeed the story I had thought I had heard and was tryin' to recount. |
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That'aboy Flash. Go get'im. |
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