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Witan© : ok right so white black and grey Witan© : lets see traditionally all magicians are black Simple_Dream : how come? Witan© : they go against the church solace© : so for those woh jsut walked in, now that the hosts have return we will have our speaker continue (please listen) Simple_Dream : but aren't some of them older than the church? why must they be defined by the churches standards? Maiden81 : does that make them black or are they percieved as black? Witan© : this is a tough topic for me because i personally think all associations of white and black magick are big bowls of crap Simple_Dream : how were they defined before the church? Maiden81 : lol Witan© : depends on teh culture simple pre church they would have been called whatever there culture called them grunnar : in one belieif black was defined as spirit magick Witan© : magi for instance Witan© : or shaman Witan© : or vodoun Simple_Dream : if not white and black-- was there a particular ethical division between magicians-- pre-church? Witan© : here ill copy a little excerpt from isaac bonewits about black and white magick Witan© : isaac has teh first degree handed out in magick and thaumatergy Witan© : so her it goes Witan© : black has teh only system that truly works, white has teh only system that truly works AquaRose�?: i didnt know theres a degree for that Witan© : black bless their own and curse their enemies white bless their own and curse their enemies Witan© : black is destined to prevail and fate is with them white is destined to prevail and fate is with thme Witan© : black has teh one right ture path whita has the one right true path Witan© : and on and on Witan© : it really comes down to ideoligies Witan© : its a battle of words between two groups who dont liek each other because they thrive on having an enemy Witan© : the magick isnt really different they just justify it differently Witan© : white magician calls hurling energy at someone rightepous self defence Witan© : a black magician calls hurling energy at someone vengeance Simple_Dream : and what about someone who considers themselves white or black-- but choose not to fight? Witan© : hmm Witan© : then i see no difference between them Witan© : except what they choose to call themselves Witan© : although some schools of thought use a broad spectrum of color Witan© : for instance brown would be say earth magick Witan© : black would be magick for powers sake AquaRose�?: oh..yes..ive heard about that kind of thing Witan© : white would be theurgy or enlightening Witan© : but when we get into a spectrum of magick color it stops being about good and evil Witan© : which of course are topics open to interpretation Witan© : green might be healing magick Witan© : and it goes on many shools of thought use a spectrum of colors but they tend to vary Witan© : i have a list of color magick if teh room would like intense_female : yes please solace© : sounds good witan Witan© : one sec intense_female : the definitions i've heard on black magic is effecting another person in a negative way intense_female : grey would be effecting in a positive way intense_female : and white would be not effecting other ppl Maiden81 : have u heard of green magick intense? intense_female : so by this definition healers would be practicioners of grey magic intense_female : yes AquaRose�?: this color magick stuff is kind of like the elemental work that ive done Maiden81 : what do u make of green magick? intense_female : but i've heard of it as "earth magick" Maiden81 : yeah AquaRose�?: or studied, a better word for it.. Maiden81 : what have u learned aqua intense_female : i think to be honest alot of people take labels on for themselves without really knowing what they mean AquaRose�?: lots, Maiden intense_female : but i'm as guilty of that as anyone Maiden81 : coool my lil aquanette Simple_Dream : I am a Puse Magician AquaRose�?: lol Witan© : Red Magick; matters of teh body both human and animal, this includes medicine, blessings and curses, zoology physicalk strength and power solace© : i think, that SImple's earlier supposition that ethics devide the types of magic, would be right, along with purpose and itmes particularly associated per/colour Witan© : Orange Magick; deals with ego strength priude self confidence physical and econimic sciences Witan© : Yellow Magick; mind and nervous system math logic and phylosophy intense_female : ah i missed that solace, but tend to agree Witan© : Green Magick; agricultural fertility Witan© : Blue Magick, emotions empathy esp Witan© : Purple Magick; physical emotions passion lust hate fear anger Witan© : Indigo Magick; rain making weather meterology Witan© : Ultraviolet Magick often confused with black),this is about power and pure psy it is considered dangerous on its own even suicidal solace© : so.. ideology, ethical compunction, purpose, "elemental" or otherwise representation/focus.... the spectrum of magic? or at least magic solace© : magick as it chooses to be defined Witan© : Bronw Magick; forest woods animals hunting ecology Witan© : so ther we go a list Witan© : and traditional black and white magick tend to take from each of thsoe piles in heavy and often equal doses Witan© : ill write up a more extensive list where the list came from and details about specific elements and rituals relating to teh various colours AquaRose�?: personally i think there are way too many different definitions for color magick to go by one definate source... intense_female : yes and I think that there are alot of combinations Witan© : there are aqua intense_female : why would someone do green magic except to help their crops for example? AquaRose�?: ive studied a few of them..and have even makde some systems of my own..lol AquaRose�?: made * Witan© : this collection was culled in agrreabnce with many practitioners, tantra and indeginous peoples but ultimately its irrelevant intense_female : lol Witan© : magick is personal AquaRose�?: i agree Witan© : it is what works for you grunnar : is it not the color but the use that count? Witan© : count in what sense gunnar Witan© : hey dayja Laurelovely01 : ok, but i guess im not sure how to make it work for me just yet intense_female : I just thought it was sorta funny that i hear alot of healers swearing to do only white magic then read that because healing effects someone physically its grey magic AquaRose�?: well..just like everything else, it takes time, Laurel grunnar : whether or not the use is for positive or negitive magick Witan© : ah Witan© : but again postive and negative are in teh eye of teh beholder Mantis__Knight : perspective Witan© : persoanl i consider love and hate eqaul attacks on my person if i have not requested them Mantis__Knight : yep grunnar : then wether or not you have caused harm to another intense_female : lol intense_female : since you explained that sending love and light could be a psychic attack Mantis has gotten himself banned froma few rooms for refusing it Mantis__Knight : lol AquaRose�?: lol Mantis__Knight : and trying to explain the idea Witan© : but who gets to define harm the practitioner or the patient/victim? intense_female : i suppose both do Witan© : lol good job mantis spread the word woo hoo Simple_Dream : but I would not gather that you can wait around for someone to request love Mantis__Knight : yeah ive gotton to the idea they dont like what i say Mantis__Knight : they should tell me Mantis__Knight : wont stop me but at least i dotn have to assume moon_song® : thats true solace© : well... cudos for trying to spread the notion anyway..mantis. lol intense_female : you should have seen the night he told the room that does healing circles every 15 minutes that they are actually performing group psychic attacks MoonLily : cool Mantis__Knight : lol Witan© : lol AquaRose�?: lol intense_female : because they dont ask the people's permission before they include them in their circle Mantis__Knight : that was funny MoonLily : hehe makes sense Mantis__Knight : all of a sudden i was "evil" Mantis__Knight : and couldnt accept love Mantis__Knight : awww Witan© : lol Mantis__Knight : boo hoo intense_female : nah Mantis you were evil before that Mantis__Knight : bite me grunnar : lol Simple_Dream : you are evil Mantis-- we all know this AquaRose�?: lol intense_female : lol MoonLily : well i wish i had a good connection earlier intense_female : see they put their friends and relatives in this circle MoonLily : really was looking forward to that chat Simple_Dream : I don't wanna bite you-- you would taste bitter Witan© : I will gladly accept love from anyone so long as it is the form of non sequential unmarked bills intense_female : lol Mantis__Knight : lol grunnar : lol moon_song® : lol Laurelovely01 : lmao Mantis__Knight : are we off subject enough that i can start a new one intense_female : okay with me, Witan are you done/ Witan© : yes I r intense_female : Thanks Witan
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