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Oct 12,1915: British nurse Edith Cavell is executed by a German firing squad in Brussels for helping Allied soldiers escape from German-occupied Belgium during World War I. She must have really hated the Germans to take such a risk. A true hero. |
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It's not so simple Snow. What she was doing was in fact a breach of rules of war. Bit late here now, but it is on Google. Look at it this way. it was a mercy to allow her to treat patients but when she is then helping them to escape to possibly kill more of your soldiers........... There is a huge monument to her and an Edith Cavell road in Norwich about 60 miles from where i live. |
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odd reply there flash,what side you on?seafire |
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Naturally I sympathise with her, but unless you postulate that evrything the Germans did in WW1 was wrong (and don't forget the Socialists and Anarchists started it and we and the French ran with the ball) their viewpoint could be this. Nurse Cavell joined that hospital in Brussels in 1907, and it was taken over by the Red Cross in 1915 The Red Cross is a neutral organisation, and as such crosses antagonist lines. IF YOU COMMITT WARLIKE ACTS SUCH AS FREEING HOSTILE CAPTIVES, YOU ARE NO LONGER ENTITLED TO RED CROSS PROTECTION. This is the rub. had the hospital been inside a POW camp that might have been different. I suggest now you read the google take. Nurse Cavell helped hundreds of soldiers from the Allied forces to escape from occupied Belgium to the neutral Netherlands, in violation of military law. She was arrested on 3 August 1915 and charged with harbouring Allied soldiers, not for espionage. She was held in prison for 10 weeks, the last two weeks being in solitary confinement [2], and court-martialled by the Germans for this offense. British and US diplomats disagreed about whether anything could be done to help her case, with Sir Horace Rowland, from the Foreign Office suggesting, "I am afraid that it is likely to go hard with Miss Cavell; I am afraid we are powerless." The sentiment was echoed by Lord Robert Cecil, who joined the coalition government in 1915 as an undersecretary for foreign affairs after working for the Red Cross. "Any representation by us," he advised, "will do her more harm than good." |
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If we'd have caught a German nurse doing the same, would we have shot her? Answers on a postcard to ..... |
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Well I'm amazed Tonny hasn't jumped in yet with a load of palaver (Pidgin English for totally disconnected chatter Pidgin English = Golly speak) regarding what would have happened if it was an Irish nurse. Then of course he would claim we shot them daily. I have a feeling, Major, we would not have shot her. We would still be listening to her 100th appeal at tax payers' expense. Seriously. do you agree she was guilty? |
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Of course she was, a couragous woman doing her patriotic duty and I'm sure she died with he same courage she lived life with and was proud to do so. Given the chance to do it again, she would not have done a thing diferently. She was a true star. |
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Let's go a stage further. Was it her patriotic duty? The idea of the Red Cross was to ensure the best medical help by the shortest route to wounded combatants. Now there were repatriation schmemes for irreparably wounded servicemen, i.e. amputees or blinded. If you have someone who mucks around with the status quo, may I ask for her own vanity, is this in fact not going to do more harm? |
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I posted the answers to the cars above! Anyway, back to Edie. Flash... status quo? Am I mistaken here, or are we talking about Germans? The Germans would have to consult the dictionary to discover what that meant, along with other words, such as law and rules of war. They were shooting innocent Mayors of Belgium towns within a month of the start of the war and they carried on in the same spirit throughout, so if somebody on our side bends one or two to save lives, especially a nurse, then I think we can, if not forgive her indescretion, then at least understand it. I think the words hairspray and vanity might mix well in a sentence, but it doesn't belong here. |
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Edith Cavell was not saving lives She was illegally repatriating recovered servicemen to continue the fight. There was an awful lot of black propaganda about Belgium, a favourite being nuns chained to Maxims. When the church was full the machine gun was unmasked and the whole ..... the outraging of nuns in Belgian convents; the clipping of a chaplain's ears by ...www.vlib.us/wwi/resources/archives/texts/t050824i/ponsonby.html - 298k - Cached - Similar pages OK we won't agree on this; I'm taking the lawyer's point of view, you're taking the nice man's side. |
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But I don't want to known as nice Flash.... can't you call me a b'stard instead? |
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#13 Dear easily staisfied with praenomen bastard Major. bit lengthy? Fact is nurse Cavell possibly caused deaths of convalescent allied soldiers because the Germans no longer trusted the sysrtem |
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#14 We executed a queer., Does that count? |
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