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Quakers : Getting mean?
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From: MSN NicknameAzaraeDuske231  (Original Message)Sent: 10/16/2002 12:16 AM
 My sweet Kyra is turning mean towards me.  Well not all of me, but my hands & arms, she will bite them ANY time she gets a chance, this has been for about 2 weeks now & it seems to be getting worse.  I don't put her away the second she does it or give her a huge reaction...I'm confusded again..heh.
 Azarae D.


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From: MSN NicknameNaynay®Sent: 10/17/2002 12:48 PM
Could be several things going on and you have to look at the whole picture. She could be hormonal, being protective of something or just struggling for control. Without knowing whats going on with her , there isn't much way to help. Has she bonded with another bird? Is she in the cage with another bird? How old is she? She could just be reaching maturity. Nay

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From: MSN NicknameAzaraeDuske231Sent: 10/17/2002 8:38 PM
 Well she definitely hasn't bonded with another bird, she tries to eat any of them that come near her(always has).  She's by herself in her cage & quite abit aways from the others.
 Kyra is almost 8 months old & she finished her molt about the time she started getting mean..I almost thought it was going to be the other way around but..
 I haven't changed my hair, nails, etc..no new pets or kids or moving the cage<babble>.   I've been trying to think of the problem but I'm just not sure..she even tries to attack my hair the last few days :( 
 Thanks
 Azarae D.

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From: MSN NicknameNaynay®Sent: 10/17/2002 10:48 PM
Okay, I forgot where I left my memory..So sorry to reask questions, what is Kyra? And is she a "she"?

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From: MSN NicknamejensbirdsSent: 10/18/2002 12:44 AM
i'm thinkin' she'a a quaker.....

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From: MSN NicknameAzaraeDuske231Sent: 10/18/2002 2:42 AM
 Oops, Kyra is a quaker :/  I'm not sure if  she is a "she" or a "he", I didn't have the extra $80 to find out & I figured the bird wouldn't really care what I called it
 Azarae D.

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From: MSN NicknameNaynay®Sent: 10/18/2002 3:09 AM
Well....You can write everything that I know about quakers on the head of a pin in Chinese. The are illegal in our state. So I haven't a clue other than it could be the all powerful hormone "Thing". With every bird from budgies up, they go through that hormonal nightmare and get "Nippy". Are here nippy means BLEEDING. We have lots of quaker holks here and hopefully someone will come along with some help.
Thank GOD she/he isn't a too!.
Casper kept trying to change my FACE during his spring fever. Naynay

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From: MSN NicknameBabyblue2700Sent: 10/18/2002 5:39 AM

I have had quakers in fact thefirs one i got i bought my granddaughter she was a real sweet bird untill she was ready for breedeng they are a very breedy bird and can get real nippy after this happened my granddaughter didn't care to handel her much she would hold one of my B&Gs first before wanting to hold her she bought the quaker a b/f now she is a happy camper that was the prob with her alot of ppl want the quakers but after a coupel of yr if that long they get like that   Julie

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From: chirpyloverSent: 10/18/2002 4:03 PM
Some questions.  Are her wings clipped?  Is the cage higher than your head?  Do you allow Kyra to roam around on her own?  Quaker are very dominant creatures.  Give an inch and they will take a mile. I don't know any Quaker that won't bite over cage invasion. Mine is like"this is my space keep your hand out!" I know the biggest factor for our quaker is keeping the wings clipped.  The min he gets any flight capability he becomes real aggressive. As long as he "needs me" to get around the biting is much more manageable.  Hope this helps.

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From: MSN Nicknameannieokie100Sent: 10/18/2002 4:25 PM
Azarae,  I just found a good article by Mattie Sue Athan entitled
Quaker Parrots: Terrific Talkers For a Tiny Price.  I don't have a quaker but the article is very informative and fun to read.  Type the title in your browser and it will pop up.  Hope you enjoy it.
Annie

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From: QUAKERMOMSent: 10/18/2002 7:27 PM

Hi All,
I have a quaker, Kia.  I lost my quaker (Sparky) a year and a half ago.  Neither of these birds are territorial at all.  Cage is lower than eye level, although his overhead "circus" ladder is higher, even still he allows me to pick him up or mess with the cage.  My Sparky was the same - perfect gentleman (except after he was 7-I discovered he was a she LOL)  My fried has the brother to Sparky, and hers is quite nippy on the cage.  I can't explain it, but I would say just keep trying, and let him know who's in charge -gently but firmly.

Quakermom

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Some questions.  Are her wings clipped?  Is the cage higher than your head?  Do you allow Kyra to roam around on her own?  Quaker are very dominant creatures.  Give an inch and they will take a mile. I don't know any Quaker that won't bite over cage invasion. Mine is like"this is my space keep your hand out!" I know the biggest factor for our quaker is keeping the wings clipped.  The min he gets any flight capability he becomes real aggressive. As long as he "needs me" to get around the biting is much more manageable.  Hope this helps.

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From: MSN NicknameAzaraeDuske231Sent: 10/19/2002 10:17 AM
  Ohh I love that article!  From what I read I believe I've followed all that, so far Kyra hasn't shown any cage agression...hers seems to be whenever she can & where ever(I did think of that & took her to other rooms).
 Her wings are clipped & she's good about step-ups.  I've never allowed her to roam my house..she had free reign over her playpen & ladder though.  Her cage is about chest level, I'm guessing maybe she's just being grouchy for a bit(I hope). 
I didn't get a chance to spend as much time as usual with her yesterday but when she was out she only bit me once, much better than usual.
Thanks everyone,
 
Azarae D.

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From: silverbutterflySent: 10/23/2002 7:38 PM
Hey Azarae!  I happen to have three quakers, two of which are real "alpha" birds that sometimes need to be remindd that I AM actaully the boss, lol.  I love them dearly and they me in return, but its in the nature of quakers (at least those I've observed) to want to test boundries every now and then.  When any of mine bite too hard (since quakers are very "mouthy" I allow them to gently play/knaw on me) I'll turn the culprit on his of her back, restraining them gently in my hand, and tell them, "No bite, gentle", then right them and they're happier than ever and much more gentle.  I hope my experiences will help.  Lots of luck with your baby!
 
Always, Silverbutterfly and family, feathered and furred

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From: MSN NicknameAzaraeDuske231Sent: 10/24/2002 3:20 AM
 Hmmm, I think Kyra would try & kill me if I flipped her over.  I'm willing to try it though :)   Do you think she's too old to learn from that(8 months)?
 Azarae D.

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From: MSN Nicknameannieokie100Sent: 10/24/2002 3:59 AM
Azarae,  I wouldn't flip Kyra onto her back without first training her to lie on her back.  She will bite the daylights out of you if it scares her, and it probably would.  I taught two of my birds to lie on their backs.  Stood them on my right hand and held them up against my chest with my left hand on their backs.  Bent forward, still holding the bird against my chest.  I did it very slowly over a period of a couple of weeks.  Then after they became comfortable with being upside down, I moved them away from my body and let them lay in my left hand with my right hand covering their chests so they couldn't fall and get hurt.  My Patti conure, now deceased, would flip herself onto her back when I told her to, head and tail hanging.
Diana ekkie will sometimes still allow me to flip her onto her back, but since hormonal maturity has hit her, she isn't nearly so receptive to doing cute things.
My Patti was so comfortable on her back, that the vet anesthetized her for surgery while she laid in my hand. 
I have found that with almost every bird I have had, that bringing them to my chest in a snuggle with my other hand on their back makes them feel less stressed and safer being held.  Even when Murphy grey was so nippy, he never bit me when I snuggled him against my chest.  He always acted so much calmer then.
Annie
 

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