I don't necesarrily consider these moors and taboo to necessarily be parasitical in nature, more times than not they are more symbiotic and necessary for the survival of this or that species/subgroup.
You are not going to convince me that somehow telling homosexuals they can't marry each other is necessary for anybody's survival. Now, it may be necessry for the survival of "the subgroup", meaning the subculture/society of anti-homosexual conservatives, but this is exactly my point...the survival of these traditional subgroups and subclasses has become more important than either the good of the species, or the good of the individuals in it...I think that to some extent the world would be a better place if we could abolish such arbitrary (and I'm not saying they arose arbitrarily, they may have once served a good purpose, but now are nothing but archaic leftovers) subgroups and subclasses.
One reason for this is that it is easy with a group of people for an individual to become "them".
This is true, but one of the reasons that it's so easy is that most people are brought up in an environment that separates "us" from "them" without also being taught that the superficial differences that separate "us" from "them" are not nearly as deep or meaningful as the similarities that make us all, essentially, the same.
You can see this throughout nature and it is a very valid arguement for having various social biases...Through unity you have strength.
It's not a valid argument for keeping things the way they are, it's only an excuse for why things are the way they are at the present time. Just because such social biases may have been necessary for survival as a species in the past doesn't mean that they still are necessary. Through unity you have strength, yes, but these arbitrary social distinctions are the very basis of the disunity of the human race as a whole.
Once again this is not about moral right<though many tend to cloud the issue with that>, but rather about survival of a group. When survival of you and yours comes into play moral right can be tossed out the window ina hurry else you die. Think about it a bit, you may not agree it is right but you know that it is what happens.
What we are discussing is about moral right, though. Or rather, moral wrong, and the immorality involved in oppressing a people (in this case the populations of homosexuals in general), which has nothing to do with the survival of a group, it has nothing to do with survival, I repeat, nothing, nothing whatsoever to do with survival. Right.
Now the most dangerous enemy to mankind outside of nature is ourselves ...
Heh heh, I think you give nature too much credit...in my opinion mankind is a more dangerous enemy to itself than even nature is.
While many gays and lesbians may choose to have children in various ways other than adoption,the current rise in homosexuality (not just in those publicly "coming out" but those being born gay) can be viewed as an evolutionary population control.
Hmm...interesting concept, but I don't know if I buy it. I'm willing to bet that the proportion of people being born gay is about the same as it ever was, and that it just seems like it's happening more because it has become more socially acceptable to express it. I also think that more people are choosing that path (not necessarily being born that way) because it is more of an option now than it was historically.
Have we really truly reached past the basic survival mentality?
I don't think that Red's point was that we have progressed beyond the basic survival mentality, I think the point is that there is no "survival" reason that we shouldn't. Let me know if I mistake you, Red.
Is really still just a large scale version of natural selection.
Unfortunately I have to agree with this point. Natural selection still holds nowadays, and it is a fact that the genes that will be passed on are the genes that are passed on (it's a simple tautology!). As long as there is an imbalance between those "enlightened few" who care about the earth, the environment, and humanity in general, and those "breeders" who survive well and have lots of babies, it is those genes that will continue to be passed on. I do see light at the end of the tunnel, though, and that light is in the form of cultural and technological evolution...I believe that cultural and techonological evolution can outstrip biological evolution in such a way that enlightened ideas can be spred despite our genes determination to stop it, and a balance may, some day, come into existence.
The strong survive (btw stength comes in many forms. Intelligence, money, physical ability, charisma are all forms of strength...or force would perhaps be a better term> and take the resources from those that are weaker.
But what if the strong work to bring about a more equitable distribution of those resources? It may be a pipe dream, and not very probable (hell, a lot of well intentioned communists tried to bring it about, and look at how well that worked in the USSR and China, for example...), but in my opinion, it's still a worthy goal to strive for, and a much better attitude than admitting defeat and sitting on the couch declaring "life is shit, live with it."
So how do you solve this?
Heh heh, in the words of the great Ben Jahrvi, "You have hit the nail right between the eyes." The problem I see is that the solution begins on an individual level, and people are not willing to work on their individual problems...and really, there's nothing you can do to solve the problems in the world if you aren't willing to first tackle the problems at home. Work dilligently to identify those parts of your life that are unnecessarily harmful to others, and work to remove them from your life as much as is possible, to minimize the harm you are causing others. Share your individual battles with others, show them by example that it is, indeed, possible to overcome the hurdles that life puts in our way. Work your way up and gradually share your experience with more and more people...most people won't care, but the more people who go through this process, the more people who will be touched. But it will never work if we are hypocritical, and not willing to change in our own lives what we are asking others to change in there, and that is, by far, the hardest challenge to meet.
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