RavenShadows : Psionic Vampire
GargoyleinGold : psi vamping is when you vamp energy off of other people
intense_female : off other ppl and off things correct? even trees?
RavenShadows : yes, living things usually
intense_female : then i'm also a psi vamp
i_m_whitedragon : everyone is then
Mantis__Knight : if you are then your the weakest i know
hooplight : i agree with dragon..we all take energy, but to do it with intent intrigues me?
RavenShadows : an actual psi vamp is usually concidered to be dependent on the energy they vamp, they don;'t have enough
hooplight : that is the idea we have had yes raven
i_m_whitedragon : is it like a belief in themselves like they think they dont have enhough so its like addiction to vamp or are they literrally short of energy?
intense_female : but Raven, as a "professional" or "aware" vamp what would make it so you didnt have enough on your own ?
RavenShadows : "real" psi vamps literally don't have enough or have an energy leak. some are addicts though.
intense_female : can an energy leak be sealed?
RavenShadows : it is like there is a leak of energy. not with most vamps. there is a theory that it is actually some kind of psycic parasite

RavenShadows : There are quite a few theories.
hooplight : i have wondered about parisites..??
RavenShadows : Are you refering to "night owls"?
RavenShadows : evolutionarily! now IC lol
intense_female : Raven could you tell us more about a psychic prasite?
RavenShadows : The psychic parasite theory is branched really
hooplight : raven can you explain psionic vamp?
hooplight : i think that is how it was spelled?
Mantis__Knight : whoa, i thought there was a differance from psychic and psionic
RavenShadows : there is mantis
Mantis__Knight : ok
RavenShadows : Ok, due to one of several problems (they are all theories) a person is phisically unable to produce and hold enoght psionic or psychic energy to sustain themselves. They originally take energy from others unconciously but usually realize what they are doing and learn control. This way no one gets hurt accidentally. There is a moral question circleing the psi vamp communities as to whether you should ask first or not. especially when feeding from crowds. Some choose to feed from plants, fire, water, storms ect. Psivamps usually have some physical handicaps and some added bonus psychic gifts
hooplight : lets go with the parisite theory.... I think I have met one in my day, have you hade reads intense when you feel like there is a almost a split but you know it isnt? It is like they are sideways inside themselves
RavenShadows : i have only met one person who believes the parasite can be gotten rid of and it was very painful for him and took a lot out of him
hooplight : can you describe the parisite to me raven?
RavenShadows : hoop, vamping is actually coined due to the defininton of a vampire. they must take energy in order to survive
hooplight : i understand that yes
RavenShadows : Hoop, the parasite is still a theory argued among many psi vamps. I haven't had experience with it, i kind of lean toward thinking different people have different causes. the theory is that is is a blob type of entity that stays behind the heart near
RavenShadows : the solar plexus
hooplight : so it sits to the back, behind the solor plexes?
hooplight : i agree to that there may be nmany reasons why
RavenShadows : not behind the solar plexas to the left-rear lower end of the heart (lol that sounds strange)
hooplight : it feels to me like an as above so below ..situtation
RavenShadows : yeah, like that
hooplight : but i do think that it could be few parisites and many reasons, but i find it interesting ..cause even i feed on a storm..a good thunderstorm
RavenShadows : hoop, that is concious feeding, i mean you don't have to feed on the energy unless you are expending a lot of your own...
hooplight : i would think it is like many other unexplained things we have yet to know...they can be as simple as a bee or butterfly
hooplight : well if you put into theory we are evolving..then we get more interesting critters
i_m_whitedragon : to me it sounds like a whole in your enegry field,but like a black whole,it dont go no where and affect nothing around u ,justr,getting sucked in or something
RavenShadows : hoop, that is an interesting way to put it. there are some vamps out there that don't think they are human but the next step. very superiorist.... I can also understand why they would consider a parisite..some people are not leaking and they are dying of lack of energy...so where does it go if not to a parisite.
RavenShadows : right
hooplight�?: i understand why they get superiorist..but love it or leave we are here hence still human
i_m_whitedragon : but this parasite would cause problems in the area its residing cuz all that energy just cant go into something with out like drawing attention to where its at
RavenShadows : hoop, that is true, but a superiorist psi vamp is the type to hurt other because they don't care...
hooplight : so they would consider a croud free ground, i see raven
moon_song® : how do they hurt someone
Alleged_Mule : we're a lower species to them
RavenShadows : they would concider a single person free fast food too...
i_m_whitedragon : we are not the ones dieing from a natural lack of energy lol
Simple_Dream : let the superiorists come into this room to try and show us their stuff
RavenShadows : one psi vamp on a large crowd would actually do no noticeable harm unless they got greedy or lost control
hooplight : so raven how does one protect from a vamp?
RavenShadows : Sheilding is the best way. constantly changing the color of your sheild throws them off. and if you feel one, psycically jab them
intense_female : they cord to you then?
hooplight : so a poke back lets them know you are aware?
RavenShadows : yes, but when crowd feeding they just take excess energy that everyone is releaseing . like skimming the froth off the top.

RavenShadows : Yes and usually they have to stop to ground themselves.
moon_song® : how can you tell if you are being vamped
Simple_Dream : is standard empathy a form of vamping?
intense_female : like someone would do in this chat room

RavenShadows : moon, you would most likely feel a psychic pull or start to feel a sudden drain on your energy
i_m_whitedragon : is there any way to blast the crap out of vamp vamping u? lol
RavenShadows : simple no but empathy is a common ability of psi vamps, imagine throwing an energy ball into the thread . kinda zap them a little
Alleged_Mule : do you mean over load them dragon
moon_song® : big puff balls
i_m_whitedragon : well i want to give a heart attack lol
hooplight : i love the zapping, that i am very good at
RavenShadows : i think it is more of an electric shock, not really overload unles sthey are almost full...
RavenShadows : dragon, you must realize that some are just awakening and have no ideaa what they are doing
Alleged_Mule : would a zap help them realize?
hooplight : dragon we have had vamps come in and ask us for energy
Simple_Dream : maybe some feed on source, but tell me what you think of this--- I also think some of them might have a week connection to source themselves--- but then they have like an energy sponge around them-- the parasite perhaps or not--- that absorbs and stores
RavenShadows : if they didn't know it would throw them off kilter and may give them a headache
hooplight : it is quite common
RavenShadows : interesting theory simple
RavenShadows : aware psi energy has a good taste...
moon_song® : at what age do they usually start vamping
RavenShadows : most common is puberty, but some are awakened by an emotional crisis
hooplight : moon i think all kids source energy from parents
Simple_Dream : raven-- do you try to just bring in certain energies-- bring in the light, but shield youself from the muck?
RavenShadows : yes, simple, that is where the empathy comes in handy. psi vamps turn their sheild into a type of filter
intense_female : if your in need of energy... and feed carefully (having no choice)... i honestly dont see the harm in it
Simple_Dream : raven-- can you feel a connection to Spirit's source at all-- even if its small?
RavenShadows : intense, i think some feel so guilty they won't take from sentient beings at all
RavenShadows : what do you mean simple
Simple_Dream : raven-- I draw my energy from Spirit/God--- I can bring it in from all around me-- or I can tap a light at my core where Spirit/God is
RavenShadows : simple, i personally do feel a connection, but it doesn't seem to be enough for me
Simple_Dream : ya-- I can vamp I think--- but I choose not too--- one night I was doing it automatically and stopped- recentered- and started drawing energy from spirit again
hooplight : raven as a community do you feel vamping holds a karmic cosequense?
RavenShadows : anyone can vamp. necessity is the difference between vamps and others
Simple_Dream : raven-- I think some vamps have a connection, but its a small one--- whould you try a meditation for me?
RavenShadows : hoop, that is a hot debate in the community. some do some don't
RavenShadows : what kind simple?
ragingstorm1402 : what if somone reads ppl and tryes not to take but what they need at the same time giving what the other person needs
RavenShadows : raging i would concider that an exchange, not a vamp
ragingstorm1402 : ok
Simple_Dream : concentrate on your vamping skills--- but instead of turning them out into the world--- concentrate on the light at your core--- keep trying to increase-- feed more and more aggressively-- till the amount of energy coming out starts to widen or even tear
the hole
ragingstorm1402 : givin this what happins if once u see the person again u do it again only u can;t stop because u know them so weel
hooplight : well in looking at it i would consider a large population is vamp..and we are setting the ground for more to be but i still feel that there is a fine line...and we all can cross it
RavenShadows : raging, that is a lack of control, it is dangerous and can cause harm, but you can learn to stop it with great effort
ragingstorm1402 : with one person I can't stop, she lets me in and I don't try
RavenShadows : simple it makes me dizzy lol
Simple_Dream : imagine a tentical extending from where you feed down into your core maybe
ragingstorm1402 : it's like she wants me to see alot more than I am
RavenShadows : practice different sheilds around her and don't feed at all from her if you can help it
Simple_Dream : too much energy raven?
RavenShadows : no, like a cycle spinning around my body, same amount, just spinning...
ragingstorm1402 : latly all the energy I have is what I got from ppls reading
ragingstorm1402 : I can't access my recharge phase for some reason
ragingstorm1402 : I have tryed
Simple_Dream : do it in small stages then raven-- if it is making you dizzy--- you might not have the capacity for that much energy yet--- as you heal blocks-- you will be able to draw more from source
Simple_Dream : makes me dizzy sometimes too--- but its the one way I allow myself to get high
RavenShadows : lol simple. the energy level didn't increase, the energy just moved through my body...
hooplight : i do think it is one of the paths here is to be without source......a hard one at that
RavenShadows : i agree hoop

       
hooplight : does the vamp community...go to astral or seek energy on a higher plane at all?
moon_song® : can you tell if the person to be vamped is hi or low in energy themselves
Simple_Dream : don't you think anyone who truly wants to move towards source can though hoop? though it may be in unseeable tiny steps
RavenShadows : yes, some go to astral but those usually do that to seek energy from others there or sleeping
hooplight : simple i think it is spirits plan...and yes i think we can affect that plan
RavenShadows : yes, we can sense energy levels and pattern usually described as taste
hooplight : but first we need to be aware and as far as i can tell raven is very aware
RavenShadows :
moon_song® : so if someone was low a vamp would move to another
ragingstorm1402 : let me guess I say something again and I am gone right
RavenShadows : a good vamp
hooplight : no ragin you can contribute with respect to all
ragingstorm1402 : I was asking a question
intense_female : Raven what are some physical side effects a giver might experience if drained To much?
hooplight : it also seems to me a lot of history points to sourcing energy from the four elements so we may have had vamps from the beginning
RavenShadows : most common side effects are headache depression and just that awful tired-to-the-bone feeling
i_m_whitedragon : like over tired?
RavenShadows : yes hoops
intense_female : good point hoop
ragingstorm1402 : as in a feeling that u did not sleep
RavenShadows : yes dragon but deeper
hooplight : ok i have one last question
RavenShadows : shoot
hooplight : is it rude to ask if a person is a vamp? especially if they ask for energy
RavenShadows : no, but i wouldn't expect them all to admit to it, most get hostile if they know what you are. I mean people get hostile towards vamps, so most won't admit that they are one.
hooplight : i can understand, well then it is is better to just assume
intense_female : Raven ... vamps must go thru some heavy energy up and down periods then, correct?
hooplight : does your community exchange energy amongst themselves?
RavenShadows : if they are asking for energy chances are good that they are a vamp
RavenShadows : if htey don't feed regularly yes
intense_female : and what about guilt feelings... detachment is necessary then
RavenShadows : no hoop, it would be an endless cycle and vamps tend to be stingy with their own energy.
RavenShadows : detatchment in one form or aanother. that is why crowd feeding is so accepted, you aren't harming anyone just taking their excess
hooplight : i can see croud feeding
intense_female : understandable
hooplight : there is a lot of excess
intense_female : but as an empath being in a crowd is rough, at times
hooplight : i find it funny to talk in terms of feed and taste
RavenShadows : especially at clubs and such
intense_female : drunken energy
intense_female : Raven, is there a sexual rush with the energy feed?
RavenShadows : psi vamps tend to be very strong empaths and have a harder time than normal controling it. to the point of not being able to tell the diff between their emotions and other's
RavenShadows : intense, there can be but usually when taking sexual energy
Alleged_Mule : is ther such a thing as bad energy
RavenShadows : mule, yes, anger and hate evil people, that sort is sickening

intense_female : i know when Spirit feeds me there can at times be
RavenShadows : lol, usually mule but we can filter lol
hooplight : we could use your advice on filtering raven
hooplight : it seems it is a useful tool to you
RavenShadows : filtering is useful, it is more visualization than any special ability
hooplight : well it is hard to teach, I filter myself
RavenShadows : i am not sang
hooplight : but find it hard to describe to others
RavenShadows : i guess it may be a bit more natural to vamps...
RavenShadows : i describe it as picturing your aura or sheild like a curtain. or a filter. instruct it to filter out certain things...ect
Sheer_Traveler : filter out, only?
hooplight : well for me it is natural...what visual do you use raven?
RavenShadows : or filter in, filter out is easier to learn
Sheer_Traveler : why?
RavenShadows : actually a cross between a big coffee filter and a strainer overlaid on my sheild
Sheer_Traveler : why is it easier to learn filtering out?
hooplight : lol
hooplight : i use a pasta strainer
RavenShadows : most don't try to take into their sheilds as much as they try to keep out unwanted things from attacks to anger
RavenShadows : lol
Sheer_Traveler : what about taking in - energy?
hooplight : so you take in the energy and leave out the gunk?
moon_song® : lol i just realized i filter
Sheer_Traveler : or - taking in - thought form essence?
hooplight : essence
RavenShadows : that is where the filter is most handy. but it isn't a common prob. i mean most don't need to take in as much as a vamp does regularly
RavenShadows : right. but you still get those characteristics we were talking about earlier
Sheer_Traveler : so - why is it easier to teach the filter/out --- versus the filter-thru?
Sheer_Traveler : is it the limitation of the visual?
RavenShadows : generally sheer.
Sheer_Traveler : what about specifically - for you?
RavenShadows : for me it is natural to filter my energy to stay with me even when emotional. but most don't worry about that they have energy to spare
Sheer_Traveler : so - the only difficulty in teaching filter/in versus filter/thru --- is in the visual adaptation - and the limits thereof?
RavenShadows : yes, and you get better with practice.
Sheer_Traveler : what about penetrations?
RavenShadows : you change the color or pattern of the sheild constantly
RavenShadows : what do you mean sheer?
Sheer_Traveler : what about the seam?
Sheer_Traveler : a filter is only as effective as the visualization of the adapt...
Sheer_Traveler : what about penetrations - and the seam?
Sheer_Traveler : how do you teach - to your clan --- to build the veil, or filter as you call it?
RavenShadows : the better you get at visualizatiion the better you are at blurring or getting rid of the seam
hooplight : well i can see the filter helping with the empathic gunk...and do vamps clear or cleans?
Sheer_Traveler : so - is this why there are no young strong vamps?
RavenShadows : normally we clean
RavenShadows : yes, they have to develope their skills over time like anyone else
Sheer_Traveler : I'm referring to the leakage ---- that signify your presence.
RavenShadows : the leakage is minute but we work our sheild around it if we can find it lol
Sheer_Traveler : so noted.
Sheer_Traveler : do you teach attack?
RavenShadows : no, concious controlled feeding yes, but not attacks
Sheer_Traveler : semantics?
RavenShadows : *note* astral or sleeping attacks are sometimes called "hag attacks"
Sheer_Traveler : feeding - is attack, in some views
Sheer_Traveler : so - you Do teach it.
RavenShadows : true, which is where the moral delema and debate comes in. but uncontrolled feeding is more of an attack
RavenShadows : no, i don't know of anyone that teaches hag attacks
Sheer_Traveler : Im refering to conscious controlled feeding, then.
Simple_Dream : how is it more an attack if its less intentional--- attack denotes intent as far as I'm concerned
Sheer_Traveler : do you teach this in formal training - to those unschooled and witless?
RavenShadows : sheer, yes if one doesn't know how to do it and is hurting others
Sheer_Traveler : so - by doing it the "wham-bamm" way --- it is Not hurting anyone?
hooplight : it is perspective..is it an attack in a crowd of free excess energy..is it an attack if unasked
Sheer_Traveler : ah

         
RavenShadows : simple, the unintentional feeding is usually uncontrolled and they tend to take to much from one person. that can hurt people
Sheer_Traveler : perspective.
hooplight : i can see the debate rage
RavenShadows : sheer we teach those who ask
Sheer_Traveler : it is a perspective, then
RavenShadows : yes sheer
Sheer_Traveler : i guess eveyone hasta eat.
RavenShadows : lol good point sheer, but if a vamp starves themselves they have problems...
Sheer_Traveler : whose problems --- other than the vamp?
hooplight : sheer we discussed earlier about a parisite in the vamp community they believe may cause some to be vamps
RavenShadows : some have trouble starting to feed again some have trouble stopping excessive unintentional feeding after the fast
Sheer_Traveler : understood.
Sheer_Traveler : and some - just have trouble.
RavenShadows : yes, it makes the vamp feel very yucky lol
Sheer_Traveler : psychic bulemia
RavenShadows : yeah, sort of
Sheer_Traveler : ya know, raven
Sheer_Traveler : yur kind is not well - appreciated in some groups
Sheer_Traveler : but yur welcome Here, of course
RavenShadows : we know sheer, that is why we don't expose ourselves very often. we seek refuge at our own little community sites and such. and even then remain anonomous as possible
RavenShadows : i apreciate it
Sheer_Traveler : and I've heard the basic debate.
hooplight : sheer have you ever heard of the parisite theory with vamps?
Sheer_Traveler : how if folks don't use the energy --- why cant you take it...
Sheer_Traveler : and that you only take the excess...
intense_female : Welcome Philo, we're in discussion
Sheer_Traveler : and you dont Really want to damage anyone.....
RavenShadows : and if folks are going to expell energy why can't we just pick it up
Sheer_Traveler : sounds like a marboro commercial
RavenShadows : lol sheer
Sheer_Traveler : may i ask you a question?
RavenShadows : shoot
Simple_Dream : how do you determine what is excess energy?-- how do you know how much energy people need and to what purpose?
RavenShadows : simple, are you an empath?
Sheer_Traveler : you admit you have formal scholls for teaching the draining...
RavenShadows : not formal schools at all
Sheer_Traveler : organized, then?
Simple_Dream : somewhat-- yes sheer
Sheer_Traveler : it's not uncle fester out on sat nite?
RavenShadows : not even that we are rag tag and find each other . then a newbie comes looking for help, we offer our advise
Sheer_Traveler : and techniques?
RavenShadows : yes
Sheer_Traveler : and refuge/
Simple_Dream : sometimes I extend my energy out of my body--- just because its floating around me does not mean I am not using it
Sheer_Traveler : well - let me ask you the question - if I may...
Sheer_Traveler : raven
RavenShadows : simple when someone is very emotional they tend to send out energy, hi energy atmosphere... it isn't connected to them anymore just floating about.
RavenShadows : ok sheer
Sheer_Traveler : as you have mentioned - you have draining ability - and you teach the use of filtering - and you can filter both ways.
Sheer_Traveler : correct/
Sheer_Traveler : ???
RavenShadows : yes
Simple_Dream : how can you be sure raven that they are not using it?
Sheer_Traveler : raven - do you ever teach the use of filtering - for restorative purposes?
Simple_Dream : I'm not critisizing-- just asking
Sheer_Traveler : not for feeding?
RavenShadows : it is like reading someone but different. we can sense the difference
RavenShadows : how do you mean sheer?
Sheer_Traveler : new idea, huh?
Sheer_Traveler : what I mean, is.....
Sheer_Traveler : instead of feeding Only ---- do you ever Heal?
RavenShadows : i do heal others
Simple_Dream : there are many who believe that you should not read someone without permission
Sheer_Traveler : ah
Sheer_Traveler : is this standard, then?
Sheer_Traveler : in your clan?
RavenShadows : simple it is not deliberate. we call it scanning
Sheer_Traveler : so - ravcn - you do heal des ves en quando.
RavenShadows : not really, it is an ability and it means you have to feed more. like a said, most vamps are stingy...
Sheer_Traveler : so - are you a ronin?
RavenShadows : ronin?
Sheer_Traveler : lost from the pack.
Sheer_Traveler : masterless.
RavenShadows : most are not in a pack sheer
Sheer_Traveler : oh?
Sheer_Traveler : news to me, then
Sheer_Traveler : always learning something new.
Sheer_Traveler : in SLC
Sheer_Traveler : so you are a solitary practicioner?
RavenShadows : yes sheer
Sheer_Traveler : simple sheer - ya got that right
Sheer_Traveler : so - if yur solitary ----- how do you know that waht I allude to -- doesnt happen frequently with other vamps?
Sheer_Traveler : drain - is not deleted.
RavenShadows : i talk to others sheer
Sheer_Traveler : ah
punk_44 : i think if someone went deep into my mind they would come back to the real world crazy
Sheer_Traveler : as you do, here .
Sheer_Traveler : raven - would you consider yourself to be "average" among your brethren?
Sheer_Traveler : like an "I.e."?
RavenShadows : sheer, i would concider myself as average as a psi vamp can get

Sheer_Traveler : ok
PhiloHigh : i think it is transformed or cleared and put into use
PhiloHigh : but thats just my thought based on an attempted healing i once did
Sheer_Traveler : raven - do you consider your "kind" a threat?
PhiloHigh : different vamps or energy users wich in fact we all are use energy in different ways
Sheer_Traveler : a threat to the ininitiated?
Sheer_Traveler : uninitiated
RavenShadows : only when we don't use morals or control, then we are a possible threat
Guest_seduced : curious,,, raven, when you scan someone, what are you looking for?
Sheer_Traveler : that is true about anyone with gifts
Sheer_Traveler : but your feeding is by nature - invasive.
punk_44 : i imagine my mind being like Alice in Wonderland.....
PhiloHigh : anyone can become a threat when provoked.
RavenShadows : seduced, kind of an oil level check and a ... taste
Sheer_Traveler : still - invasive
Sheer_Traveler : you take what is not yours - for selfish purposes
Guest_seduced : yes
Sheer_Traveler : so how is this debated by those who deem to care?
Guest_seduced : do you think about others when do borrow/ drain their energy?
Sheer_Traveler : thinking about others is not the issue.
Sheer_Traveler : they will say it is excess - and causes no harm.
Sheer_Traveler : correct , raven?
Sir_Optimist® : do i think about that poor cow when my new york steak is on the grill?
Sheer_Traveler : accurate analogy
RavenShadows : sheer, most ask when feeding from others, some feed from nature, some feel crowd feeding is not harming anyone
Sheer_Traveler : so - you have the same debate that all with gifts have.
Simple_Dream : have you discussed the moral issues in your group at all of sucking in all the good energy-- and leaving the muck out in the open for random people to absorb- thus changing the mood of a room?
Sheer_Traveler : 'what is invasive " versus 'what is ethical'
RavenShadows : yes sheer we do
Sheer_Traveler : cool
Sheer_Traveler : glad to hear you have weak spots
Simple_Dream : ethical issues-- not moral-- sorry poor word choice
Sheer_Traveler : besides your techniques in filtering, that is.
RavenShadows : simple i don't think it is that excessive of an energy imbalace. we don't take in enought to change a room. most psi vamps feed alone
Sheer_Traveler : but as sir O says ---- we're all cows anyway.
PhiloHigh : whatever is with concent even if that concent is not on and from the consciousness is not invasive.
Sheer_Traveler : I know what I have heard from a collegue.....I wonder if you share this thought...?
Sheer_Traveler : "if the energy is out there - not guarded - it's for the tasting"
Sheer_Traveler : sound familiar?
RavenShadows : sounds very familiar sheer
Sheer_Traveler : all around the mulberry bush
hooplight : ok i have a question
RavenShadows : the psi vamp ethic debate is similar to the vegetarian or omnivore debate among poeple. but a bit more touchy. like the steak analogy but different
Sheer_Traveler : steak is not hamburger, right?
RavenShadows : ok hoop
hooplight : we all exchange energy all the time anyway...a vamp does it either from necessity or intent
Sheer_Traveler : of course --- all the time
Sheer_Traveler : astral sex, etc.
punk_44 : okay i'm lost...lol
hooplight : so where is the line
Sheer_Traveler : where's the beef/
hooplight : ahhh never mind it is around the mullberry bush

Simple_Dream : so we are supposed to go around in a shell-- always guarding our energy-- or we are asking for it? isn't that like saying a woman with skin exposed is asking to be raped?--- I am being blunt, but just trying to learn-- don't take offense please
Sheer_Traveler : OFFENSE
Sheer_Traveler : bleet
Sheer_Traveler : foul
RavenShadows : most feel that the vamp is more intrusive, hence the title "Vampire"
Sheer_Traveler : hence
Sir_Optimist® : what i'd like to know is if someone is born a vamp can they starve to death because they never learn how to get energy?
RavenShadows : simple, you could go around like that but don't think we are that large in numbers and most are more conciderate thatn that
Sheer_Traveler : it is
Sir_Optimist® : ot do they vamp their parents kinda like a suckling child?
Sheer_Traveler : cool analogy
hooplight : can this be why some babies die also...no source ..no way to vamp?
Sheer_Traveler : it is why some folks go insance
Sheer_Traveler : not dead
Sheer_Traveler : insane83

RavenShadows : Sir, that is one that we have been debating over for a while! no one has gone that long. kinda like trying to kill yourself by holding your breath
Sheer_Traveler : out of balance
punk_44 : can you be a vamp and not even know it?
Sheer_Traveler : body does not die....
Simple_Dream : to make something clear-- I generally like to ask for advice-- but I am not sure where I stand on the whole definition of invasiveness issue
hooplight : well i am quite sure my kids do vamp at times and then source at times
Sheer_Traveler : spirit goes out of balance
RavenShadows : yes punk you can
hooplight : i think they find their way and loose it like the rest of us
Mindmeld : vamp?
Sheer_Traveler : vamp -=----- like Prince
Sheer_Traveler : yada
RavenShadows : i haven't thought of the suckling child theory, i might have to throw that up on some boards
punk_44 : how do you know if your a vamp
PhiloHigh : sir if you lacked energy you would get it subconsciously at times in your day to day life to get it
Sheer_Traveler : how many Vamps do you know are deranged - unhinged ---- and do you as a group try to help them, raven?
hooplight : yes we are in discussion
RavenShadows : one comes up in the groups i am in every now and then but there is little we can do for them. we do try
Sheer_Traveler : cool
Simple_Dream : so-- if a vamp decided not to vamp for ethical reasons--- they would begin to go insane-- would they then loose touch of ethics again and start to vamp automatically?
Sheer_Traveler : so the bad rap i/others have given you --- is unfair a bit?
RavenShadows : simple they would get very sick and tired and depressed and could go insane. but the would start auto feeding again like when they awakened
RavenShadows : yes sheer, and it makes life hard for us at times
Sheer_Traveler : unless they got stopped.
punk_44 : i'm not very into this ......but could someone give me a quick defitions of a vamp
Sheer_Traveler : well - you did choose the path.
hooplight : another debate
hooplight : punk
RavenShadows : no sheer, i never said " Hey, i want to be a vamp." Most of us would give anything to not be a vamp
Sheer_Traveler : ah - let's call this a incursion into feeding land
hooplight : a vamp is a person who does not source energy for themselves so they take from others
Sheer_Traveler : your spirit decided to do this - on this plane.
Mindmeld : oh
punk_44 : how can you do that if you don't even know your a vamp?
Sheer_Traveler : and you could stop.
hooplight : i agree with sheeer on this it is a path choosen...a hard path
Sheer_Traveler : by choosing another technique for acquiring energy.
punk_44 : or not knowing your a vamp is just having the ability but not knowing how to use it
RavenShadows : not in this lifetime.
Sheer_Traveler : so?
Sheer_Traveler : who is being picky about a single lifetime?
RavenShadows : punk, not knowing youa re on e is haveing the deficiency and unconciously feeding from other sources
Sheer_Traveler : you can accomplish anything in astral.
RavenShadows : point taken sheer
Sheer_Traveler : you should know that, raven.
punk_44 : how would you go about finding out if you where one....would someone just mention it to u one day...Like hey quit vamping my energy...
PhiloHigh : raven, learn to harvest thought forms!
RavenShadows : punk, another vamp could tell you that but usually you find out the hard way or you jsut know
Sheer_Traveler : thanks philo
Sheer_Traveler : there is your answer to your ethical dilema, raven.
punk_44 : thanks for the answer......still trying to figure all this stuff out
Sheer_Traveler : build a thought-form via Intent and manifesting: then fee all you want.
Simple_Dream : why the limitation of a lifetime--- why can you not change path in this life time--- I imagine it would be extremely hard but not impossible
Sheer_Traveler : feed all you want.
Sheer_Traveler : why dont you do this instead, raven?
PhiloHigh : i wasnt exactly just thinking about the thoughtform of one
Sheer_Traveler : it will suffice.
Sheer_Traveler : so they can be greedy...build a zillion
RavenShadows : simple, out of all the psi vamps i have spoken with, i have found one who claims to have been able to heal himself of this and it nearly killed him
Sheer_Traveler : raven - is this a new idea for your group?
PhiloHigh : there doesnt need to be any building
PhiloHigh : its allready here
RavenShadows : not a new idea sheer, but it is still taking energy from another source
Sheer_Traveler : yep
PhiloHigh : and much of it is very much not positive energy that is ideal as an instant snack
hooplight : i think the vamps feel the can not source enerrgy to build ..it is more like living paycheck to paycheck...a vicious circle
Simple_Dream : yes-- there is psychic backlash-- and the more energy you take in before allow a backlash--- the worse its going to be whether it comes in this lifetime or later I would imagine
RavenShadows : yes hoop
RavenShadows : some feed only from nature, plants, storms, elements ect
RavenShadows : yes, sheer, a thought that comes up frequently.
Sheer_Traveler : well - it's nice to know there are opinions
Sheer_Traveler : raven - it's great that you are willing to take this abuse
Simple_Dream : so when in a relationship-- how do you balance the energy exchange between you and your partner raven?
hooplight : sheer has a way of making sure every one knows the have a thought a choice and lots of room to get ready to grow
RavenShadows : silver helps dampen abilities
RavenShadows : sheer, i am a lover of philisophical debates

Alleged_Mule : what is the refence to silver raven
hooplight : she was an invited guest sheer
RavenShadows : silver helps many of us, it tends to dampen our abilities. we wear a lot of it until we learn more control
Alleged_Mule : ok thanks
Alleged_Mule : what about the need for energy tho
Sheer_Traveler : yeas - silver works well for that.
RavenShadows : lol i would laugh at any vamp that tried to feed from this room. i think they would leave with a zap head ache lol
Sheer_Traveler : nah - you know they would be able to feed - if they had any gift
Sheer_Traveler : but they would get visited - afterwards
RavenShadows : but most in here would know it eventually and let them have one...
Guest_seduced : just wondering if you have hany stiories about vamp feeding and the one you were feeding on fought back , sort of speak?
RavenShadows : not of fighting back but when i went through awakening i really hurt my friend. it scared me
Alleged_Mule : how so raven
RavenShadows : i started unconciously feedding from her and when i realized what i was doing i was so high i could barely stop and she was curled up in a ball crying in extreme pain
hooplight : naw i have the claws ..just no clues
Alleged_Mule : you took in one sitting
hooplight : wow raven i bet that did scare her and you
RavenShadows : yes, but as a healer i could give enough back to help ease her
Sheer_Traveler : three strokes to the wind, and not lightly.
RavenShadows : yes, my friends looked at me funny for a while.
PhiloHigh : Raven i did that with a girl one time and i got high and all and she said she was feeling it too, it was way cool
RavenShadows : i was bouncing off the walls for a while...
hooplight : i find that even more interesting raven you live a double life...both healer and vamp
Sheer_Traveler : raven - thanks for the sharing.....it was stimuating and Im sure useful for the gallery.
RavenShadows : healing is tireing for me, but i just go off and feed before and after i do it. kinda balances the ethical delema for me a bit
RavenShadows : no prob sheer
Simple_Dream : wait until you get into the ethics of healing
hooplight : do you feel a need to heal raven?
RavenShadows : lol
hooplight : can you sense it?
Sheer_Traveler : as i said - feel free to come here to continue our enlightenment --- and your relazation
RavenShadows : i am studying to be a doctor, so i would say the need to heal is strong in me
hooplight : wow
RavenShadows : i will sheer, thank you
Sheer_Traveler : cool
Simple_Dream : ever consider using your abilities as a grounding source for other's when they are using their abilities?
RavenShadows : how do you mean simple?
PhiloHigh : yea, got any tips for that
Simple_Dream : meaning- if I was healing and wanted to channel a huge amount of energy through me-- more than usual--- I could ground to a vamp to ballance out
RavenShadows : yes, you could connect to a vamp with a thread and channel that energy to them,
Simple_Dream : grounding to earth or back into source works fine--- but I wonder how grounding to a person would change things
hooplight : i have seen people use others as grounds
RavenShadows : i think it would be smoother transfer of energy. no resistance at all
Alleged_Mule : but would the energy be of the type they wanted simple
RavenShadows : alleged, the vamp would filter it....
Simple_Dream : it would be source energy
Alleged_Mule : that's what i mean would simple end up with excess anyway
Simple_Dream : I have not channeled more energy than I can handle yet--- and I have very low resistance-- but I never know what the future holds
RavenShadows : no, the vamp would filter the energy and release the unwanted type as simple would normally do
hooplight : it is an interesting idea
Alleged_Mule : ok thanks
RavenShadows : most vamps would appreciate it.
Simple_Dream : I would cleanse myself before a major healing anyway-- so there would not be much gunk
RavenShadows : clean, willing, tasty energy... sounds like a vamp dream lol
hooplight : i have a question raven what do you do when full?
hooplight : do you ground excess?
Simple_Dream : the one thing I would be careful of is this-- I tend to tune to people's energy patterns-- so if I was healing I would be more likely to vamp the muck I was healing towards me rather than destroying it as it exits the person's body--
Simple_Dream : I would have to be very aware of the energy exchange
RavenShadows : stop feeding. if there is excess you ground it
RavenShadows : as a healer i am used to this, i know how to ground the muck if necessary, i am sure most vamps could
Simple_Dream : it might increase the ability to pull gunk out of people though--- connecting to a vamp might make me a stronger magnet
RavenShadows : most likely simple
RavenShadows : what time is it?
Simple_Dream : when feeding off good energy-- do you grow and learn-- advance spiritually? and if so do you ever experience psychic backlash from taking good energy?
hooplight  : well it is an interesting thought....as a healer you could pull the negative energy but not as far as in yourself..hence the filter
Alleged_Mule : a symbiotic relationship
hooplight : being a vamp could give you extra strength to heal
RavenShadows : yes mule. depends on the source. generally we feel enlightened and better when we take from psychically enlightened
hooplight : also raven a iluuminated person can usually source more so it seems like it would be better for you too feed from them
Alleged_Mule : how could it work a vamp and a healer teaming up
RavenShadows : right but an illuminated person is more likely to sense and take offense to a bit of vamping.
hooplight : yes it is marked by your spark your essence
Simple_Dream : and I don't use my own energy-- I source
Alleged_Mule : it would have to be consenting
hooplight : even when we source we mark it with our intent
RavenShadows : most vamps differenciate between psychic energy and lifeforce energy
hooplight : really raven explain?
Simple_Dream : if you connect to source- you can always replenish and need not worry about giving of yourself
RavenShadows : it is hard to explain the differences in energy. the sources in the body are different as are the tastes
hooplight : so you do not feed of essence..more of energy put to thought?
RavenShadows : in a sense, yes hoop
hooplight : as in psi energy
hooplight : ok
hooplight : i see
RavenShadows : yes
hooplight : well that makes sense
hooplight : it would be easier
Simple_Dream : to feed on source you would have to work your way through the person's blocks first-- healing them to open up the flow
hooplight : well simple even with big blocks we find a way to source some way or another
hooplight : even raven sources some
hooplight : just not as much as she needs
Simple_Dream : true-- just thinking of the way the parasite was working hoop
hooplight : the parisite bugs me
hooplight : i am sure i have felt it before
RavenShadows : cute pun hoop