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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 8/1/2005 3:25 PM
From: joie2  (Original Message) Sent: 12/6/2003 7:21 PM

Origin of Christmas - The Traditions and Controversies

 The customs and traditions of Christmas actually pre-date the birth of Jesus, and many of them are downright deceptive in their meaning and origin. Here are a few examples:

The date of December 25th probably originated with the ancient "birthday" of the son-god, Mithra, a pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god, Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia and began the week prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and downright debauchery, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples.

Variations of this pagan holiday flourished throughout the first few centuries after Jesus Christ, but it probably wasn't until 336 AD that Emperor Constantine officially converted this pagan tradition into the "Christian" holiday of Christmas. The word "Christmas" is a combination of the words "Christ" and "Mass." The word "Mass" means death and was coined originally by the Roman Catholic Church. The ritual of the Mass involves the death of Christ, and the distribution of the "Host", a word taken from the Latin word "hostiall," meaning victim. In short, Christmas is a Roman Catholic word of Roman Empire origin.

Origin of Christmas - What Really Matters?
The true Origin of Christmas is filled with controversy and compromise. A quick study will reveal a number of disturbing roots that we haven't been able to cover in this brief article. In short, the Christmas holiday we celebrate today is indicative of Christianity's willingness to absorb the world's customs and traditions.


This is an article I found.  I have done extensive research on this evil, devil-worship day for many years and have found from other sources, out of books, not the internet, that this evil day actually goes way back further than this article lists.  It actually first started with Nimrod and His wife.  She claimed to have birthed a virgin born soon called Tammuz.  His birthday was supposed to be Dec. 25.  This is the first that I know of that this false-god celebration was kept.  It actually may have had its roots on the other side of the flood.

I personally believe that it did although I have no proof.  The reason I believe this, is because Solomon said nothing new would ever be under the sun.  They had everything on the other side of the flood that will ever be.  And we know that race of people had vexed and displeased God so much that he sent the flood and destroyed them all.

 

.......so maybe it should put fear into someone and cause them to reconsider keeping these pagan days.


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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 3:39 PM
From: joie2 Sent: 12/6/2003 8:02 PM
I am posting some articles I found about this heathen, devil-worship day which has this whore church today showing her real true colors.  People, You need to take the time to study these things out.  go check out some good books on the orgins of this.  I have found a book called  Four Thousand years of Christmas.
 
You all need to try to find this and read it if you care for salvation.  God is not going to except pagan, devil-worhip into his kingdom.  If you are guilty, out you go.  Take this seriously.  God will not excuse you.  See why I say the church today is that whore in Revelation.  it is very true.  If you belong, you are partaking of her evil deeds.  You will also receive of her plagues.
 
If you cannot read all of this at one time, just keep coming back to it and reading.  Study it.  Seek answers for yourself.           But most of all, do as this author says, and CHECK TO SEE IF ANY OF THIS IS IN THE WORD OF GOD.  WHERE DID GOD SAY DO THESE THINGS?  IF HE DID NOT SAY IT,  WHO DID?  HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY IT?
Notice in this article, it also tells where the 'trinity' lie came from.
 
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The Shocking Pagan Origin of CHRISTMAS!

What is the TRUE ORIGIN of Christmas? Where
did it come from? Did you know Jesus Christ was born
nowhere NEAR December 25, but that was the "birth
day" of the sun-god, "Sol Invictus" or "Mithras"?
Did you know December 25 was the concluding day
of the pagan winter festival called the "Saturnalia"?
Where did "Santa Claus" come from? The "Christmas
tree"? How did this pagan feast become connected with
"Christianity"? Here is an amazing "whale of a tale"!

William F. Dankenbring

Although the whole world celebrates Christmas as a "Christian" holiday, including millions of non-Christians, is Christmas really "Christian" at all? Consider this fact: Look high and low throughout the pages of the Bible, and you will find not ONE WORD of "Christmas" being celebrated by any of God's people! It is not even mentioned once! Neither Christ nor any of His apostles ever observed this holiday, nor the New Testament Church!

Yet on the other hand the pagan, heathen world observed this day for thousands of years before Christ was even born!

Where did the mysterious rites and ceremonies that surround this day come from? What about the "Christmas tree" and the "Yule log" and the mistletoe and Holly wreaths? Are ANY of these customs truly "Christian" in origin? And what about fat and jolly old "Saint Nick" -- or Santa Claus?

It's high time we addressed these questions, and took a new look at "Christmas." A church I was formerly a member of, which condemned Christmas observance as paganism, for almost sixty years, today has turned its back on its former beliefs, and encourages its members to observe this pagan mid-winter festival "in honor of Christ"! Many are doing so, heedless of the severe warnings in Scripture of what their eternal fate and destiny will be if they continue to embrace this ancient custom.

Is it wrong to celebrate "Christmas"? What is the truth about this popular and widespread holiday?

The Origin of Christmas

Before one gets carried away with Christmas worship, there are a few things you should know. Let's take an honest and objective look at the origins of this holiday.

We read in Werner Keller's book The Bible as History the following admission:

    "December 25 is referred to in documents as Christmas Day in A.D. 324 for the first time. Under the Roman emperor Justinian [A.D. 527-565] it was recognized as an official holiday. An old Roman festival played a a major part in the choice of this particular day. December 25 in ancient Rome was the 'Dies Natali Invictus,' 'the birthday of the unconquered,' the day of the winter solstice and at the same time, in Rome, the last day of the Saturnalia, which had long since degenerated into a week of unbridled carnival . . ." (p.331).

Doesn't it seem rather strange that the so-called "Christian church" should choose a day to celebrate Christ's birth which was identified as the day of the birth of the unconquered sun, the day of the winter solstice, the "shortest day of the year," when the sunlit part of the days start becoming longer again? What does this have to do with Christ, anyway? Was Jesus Christ born anywhere near December 25? Keller goes on:

    "Meteorologists as well as historians and astronomers have something of importance to contribute to this question of fixing the date of the birth of Jesus. According to St. Luke: 'And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night' (Luke 2:8).

    "Meteorologists have made exact recordings of the temperature at Hebron. This spot in the southern highlands of Judah exhibits the same climatic conditions as Bethlehem, which is not far distant. The temperature readings show over a period of three months that the incidence of frost is as follows: December -- 2.8 degrees; January -- 1.6 degrees; February ---0.1 degrees. The first two months have also the greatest rainfall in the year: approximately 6 inches in December, and nearly 8 inches in January. According to all existing information the climate of Palestine has not changed appreciably in the last 2,000 years, consequently modern meteorological observations can be taken as a basis.

    "At Christmas-time Bethlehem is in the grip of frost, and in the Promised Land no cattle would have been in the fields in that temperature. This fact is born out by a remark in the Talmud to the effect that in that neighborhood the flocks were put out to grass in March and brought in again at the beginning of November. They remained out in the open for almost eight months.

    "Around Christmas-time nowadays both animals and shepherds are under cover in Palestine.

    "What St. Luke tells us points therefore to the birth of Jesus having taken place BEFORE the onset of winter . . ." (p.331-332).

How interesting! How fascinating! As we explore the time for the birth of Christ, we find He was born nowhere near December 25, the very date the world has chosen to "celebrate" supposedly, His "birthday"! But there is much more to the story than this. Let's go on.

When Was Jesus Really BORN?

Millions of ostensible "Christians," or "nominal" Christians, who think they are followers of the religion of Jesus Christ, have been deceived. Not only have they foolishly embraced erroneous "traditions" as if they were "Christian," but they have been lied to, misled by preachers and ministers and priests, and have ASSUMED that they were worshipping Christ! Yet Jesus Christ Himself warned: "Howbeit IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, teaching for doctrines THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye HOLD THE TRADITION OF MEN . . ." (Mark 7:7-8).

The gospel of Matthew also records similar words spoken by Christ. Notice! "Ye HYPOCRITES, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, 'This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouths, and honoreth me with their lips; but THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. But IN VAIN do they WORSHIP me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of MEN" (Matt.15:7-9).

Let's look into this matter honestly. Let's examine the evidence, seeking the truth. When was Jesus Christ born, anyway? Was it anywhere NEAR December 25? And if not, then why believe a lie, and practice and perform a lie?

The birth of Christ is not known for certain, but we can know the approximate time of year when He was born! In the book of Luke we read that the father of John the Baptist was Zacharias, and he was a priest who served at the temple in Jerusalem. He was "of the course of Abia" (Luke 1:5). While serving at the temple, he was informed by an angel that his wife was to have a son, who was to be named "John." After this, Zacharias finished "the days of his ministration," and "departed to his own house" (v.23). "And after those days, his wife Elizabeth conceived . . ." (v.24).

The names of the different courses of priests that served at the Temple are given in I Chronicles 24:1-19. "Abia" or "Abijah" was the EIGHTH course. According to the Jewish historian Josephus, each one of these courses served at the Temple for one week, the first course serving the first week of Nisan, in the spring (compare I Chron.27:1-2), and then each course in its own order. All the priests served during the annual festivals (Passover in spring, Pentecost, and then Tabernacles in the fall). After six months, the order would be repeated, thus each "course" would serve two weeks during a year.

The course of Abijah, then, would have served the eighth week in the rotation. The eighth week from Nisan 1, leaving out the week of Passover, when all the priests served, would have been IYAR 27 TO SIVAN 5, the day just before Pentecost , which generally fell on Sivan 6. After serving a week in the Temple, Zacharias would have remained another week in Jerusalem, because of the Feast of Shavuot or Pentecost that week. Therefore, he returned home shortly after this, and his wife then conceived. This would have been about the middle of June. If we add nine months to this date, the normal time for the gestation of a human baby in the womb, John the Baptist would have been born about the middle of March, in the spring, shortly before the Passover.

Jesus was conceived about six months after John (Luke 1:24-31, esp. verse 26). This would suggest that Jesus Christ was conceived about the middle of December. This would place His birth nine months, or 270 days, later -- or the month of September!

Who WAS Born on December 25?

If Jesus Christ was not born on December 25, who was? In other words, whose birthday is the whole "Christian world" really celebrating on December 25, though they call it the birth of "Christ"? Or, to put it another way, what "Christ" are they talking about? The word "Christ," remember, is merely the translation of the Greek word Christos, which literally means "Anointed one" -- it comes from the Hebrew word Moshiach, from whence we get the word "Messiah." So what "anointed one" was born on December 25?

Let us take out our magnifying glass, and like Sherlock Holmes, do some careful detective work, and see if we can solve the mystery -- the puzzle of why the whole world observes the birthday of Jesus Christ on a day on which He was not even remotely born! In the book History of Rome, by Michael Grant, we read this startling revelation:

    "Yet there was also another pagan belief during this same epoch, that much more nearly competed with Christ for the control of the Western world. This was the cult of the Sun, which was revered by millions of the inhabitants of the Roman Empire, and its religion for a time even became the state worship. . . .

    "In Rome, the divinity of the Sun came very early on; and then, centuries afterwards, in the superb dome of Hadrian's Pantheon, the central opening, surrounded by star- like rosettes, represented the solar orb. . . . Before long, the emperor Aurelian established a massive temple of the Unconquerable Sun as the central and focal point of the entire religious system of the state (274). The birthday of the god was to be on DECEMBER 25, AND THIS, TRANSFORMED INTO CHRISTMAS DAY, WAS ONE OF THE HERITAGES THAT CHRISTIANITY OWED TO HIS CULT" (p.391- 392, emphasis mine).

Notice! Christianity took over the birthday of the sun god, the cult of the sun, and transformed it into CHRISTMAS DAY, the "birthday" of Jesus Christ! It was in reality the birth day of the pagan sun god, worshipped by millions throughout the Roman Empire!

We read more about this novel and profound "plot" to turn paganism into "Christianity" in a book by historian Jack Finegan, Myth & Mystery: An Introduction to the Pagan Religions of the Biblical World. Finegan writes:

    ". . . But the worship of the sun-god continued widely throughout the empire, and under Aurelian (A.D. 270-275) the cult was restored to its former high estate. In the year 274 Aurelian declared the god -- now called Deus Sol Invictus -- the official deity of the Roman Empire; he built a splendid temple of the sun in Rome . . . and set the sun's birthday celebration (naturalis solis invicti) ON DECEMBER 25, the date then accepted for the winter solstice (also in his solar character the BIRTHDAY OF MITHRAS). In the time of Constantine the cult of Deus Sol Invictus was still at its height, and the portrait of the sun-god was on the coins of Constantine . . . . Likewise it must have been in this time and with the intent to transform the significance of AN EXISTING SACRED DATE that the birthday of Jesus, which had been celebrated in the East on January 6 . . . was placed in Rome ON DECEMBER 25, THE DATE OF THE BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION OF SOL INVICTUS. This date appears in a list of dates probably compiled in A.D. 336 and published in the Roman city calendar, edited by Filocalus, for the year 354" (Finegan, p.211-212, emphasis mine).

Are we beginning to get the picture? This was in the fourth century AFTER Christ! At this time, the Church moved to incorporate the birthday of the sun god into the so-called "Christian" calendar, and converted his "birth day" into the birth day of CHRIST Himself! That which was distinctly and definitely pagan now was "baptized," and by some act of "magic" was transformed into something "Christian"! At least, to the observer, it appeared to be "Christian." It was now called "Christian." But in truth, it still had a pagan heart and core!

The Influence of Constantine

When Constantine became Emperor of Rome, he nominally at least became a "Christian." But being the head of a far-flung political Empire, he was concerned about the unity and coherence and stability of his Empire. As a sagacious politician, he sought to reconcile and blend and mesh pagan practices with "Christian" beliefs, to merge paganism with the Roman church. Constantine promulgated the "Edict of Toleration" in A.D. 313. He became emperor in A.D. 323, and "then Christianity was enthroned" (Jesse Lyman Hurlbut, The Story of the Christian Church, p.74). From this time, for the next two hundred years, all persecutions of Christians of the Roman church, and its adherents, ceased. The sword of persecution was "not merely sheathed; it was buried" (ibid., p.75).

But Jesse Hurlbut laments the results of Constantine's making Christianity the state religion, free from all persecution. From that time, he points out, the church became totally subverted by politics and self-seeking opportunists.

    ". . . the establishment of Christianity as the state religion became a CURSE.

    "Everybody sought membership in the church, and nearly everybody was received. Both good and bad, sincere seekers after God and hypocritical seekers after gain, rushed into the communion. Ambitious, worldly, unscrupulous men sought office in the church for social and political influence. . . .

    'The services of worship increased in splendor, but were less spiritual and hearty than those of former times. The forms and ceremonies of PAGANISM GRADUALLY CREPT INTO THE WORSHIP. Some of the OLD HEATHEN FEASTS BECAME CHURCH FESTIVALS WITH CHANGE OF NAME AND OF WORSHIP" (Hurlbut, The Story of the Christian Church, p.79, emphasis mine).

How did it happen? Obviously, something strange and weird was going on!

Will Durant, renowned historian, in his massive work The Story of Civilization, wrote in volume III, entitled Caesar and Christ, that in the new "church" that developed in the Roman Empire, the Jewishness of Jesus was lost or rejected, and replaced with Greek philosophy and thought; the "Law" of the Jews was rejected, and, he writes,

    ". . . the god Christ was assimilated to the religious and philosophical traditions of the Hellenistic mind. Now the PAGAN WORLD -- even the anti-Semitic world -- could accept him as its own.

    "CHRISTIANITY DID NOT DESTROY PAGANISM; IT ADOPTED IT. The Greek mind, dying, came to a transmigrated life in the theology and liturgy of the Church . . .the Greek mysteries passed down into the impressive mystery of the Mass. Other PAGAN cultures contributed to the syncrestic result. From Egypt came the idea of a divine trinity .. . from Egypt the adoration of the Mother and Child . . . From Phrygia came the worship of the Great Mother . . . The Mithraic ritual so closely resembled the eucharistic sacrifice of the Mass that Christian fathers charged the Devil with inventing these similarities to mislead frail minds. Christianity was the last great creation of the ancient PAGAN world" (p.595).

These historical observations ought to make us sit up and take notice! The 'Christianity" that we see around us in the world today is but a "spin-off" of this ancient syncretism or 'blending" and "merging" of PAGANISM into the professed Church of Jesus Christ, which had lapsed into political apostasy, profligacy and impurity. The descendants of the once chaste and pure virgin of Christ, the New Testament Church, had seemingly become, for all intends and purposes, the religious WHORE of Babylon -- a bejeweled and bedecked and bedeviled slut and trollop, a "shady lady," a spiritual PROSTITUTE!

 

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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 3:43 PM
From: joie2 Sent: 12/6/2003 8:06 PM

"Paganism" was not defeated by the Church. It invaded the church, infiltrated it, and seduced it from within! The professing Christian Church became the "new face of paganism"! Only the "names" were changed. And in some cases -- as in "Easter" Sunday -- even the old pagan names were left in place!

H. G. Wells, in his Outline of History, discusses the transformation of the teachings of Christ into the pagan worship of the heathen, calling itself "Christian." He notes:

    "The observance of the Jewish Sabbath, again, TRANSFERRED TO THE MITHRAIC SUN-DAY, is an important feature of many Christian cults . . . He [Jesus] did not say a word about the worship of his mother Mary in the guise of ISIS, THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN. Much that is most characteristically ` Christian [so-called] in worship and usage, he ignored. Skeptical writers have had the temerity to deny that Jesus can be called a Christian at all" (p.445, emphasis mine, of course).

How did this happen? How did Mithraism, with its December 25 worship, and Sun-day worship, contribute these prominent "holidays" to the established "Christian" Church? How did paganism overtake, overcome, and subdue, the original teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ, and His apostles, and replace Biblical holy days with pagan "holy days"? Should all true Christians be concerned about this historic truth -- this reality? Doesn't it really matter?

What should these facts mean to us, today, who seek to obey God, and follow the Christ of the Bible, who seek to be TRUE followers of the Word of GOD?

The Seduction of the Church

Admits the Worldbook Encyclopedia, "The exact date of Christ's birth is not known. The early Christians did NOT celebrate His birth, because they considered the celebration of anyone's birth to be a pagan custom. The first mention of the observance of Christ's birthday appears about A.D. 200. For many years, several dates were used. December 25 was first mentioned in 336" (article "Christmas").

This common reference work acknowledges, "For many years, people observed Christmas as a religious festival only. But they GRADUALLY ADOPTED MORE AND MORE CUSTOMS UNRELATED TO THE CHURCH. Most of the customs originated in cultures that existed before Christianity. . . . In 1643, the Puritans, who regarded such celebrations as pagan, outlawed the observance of Christmas in England." Colonists in New England followed the English laws and also outlawed Christmas. But immigrants to the New World brought Christmas customs from many lands and the old festivities where soon restored.

All of the popular customs and traditions surrounding Christmas actually were celebrated at pagan mid-winter festivals thousands of years before Christ was born. Admits this same encyclopedia, "The custom of burning the Yule log began with the ancient Scandinavians, who once a year burned a huge log in honor of their god Thor. After the Scandinavians became Christians [sic], they made the Yule log an important part of their Christmas ceremonies."

Where Did the Christmas Tree Come From?

One of the most pervasive customs of Christmas, today, is the bringing home and decorating of a "Christmas tree." Where did this custom come from? Coffin in The Book of Christmas Folklore tells us:

    "Most people have heard that the Christmas tree originates in the tannenbaum and is some sort of vestige of Teutonic vegetation worship. THIS IS PARTIALLY TRUE. However, the custom of using pine and other evergreens ceremonially was well established at the ROMAN SATURNALIA, even earlier in Egypt" (p.209).

Writes Alexander Hislop in The Two Babylons,

    "The Christmas tree, now so common among us, was equally common in Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the palm tree; in Rome it was the fir; the palm tree denoting the Pagan Messiah, as Baal-Tamar, the fir referring to him as Baal-Berith. The mother of Adonis, the Sun-God and great mediatorial divinity, was mystically said to have been changed into a tree, and when in that state to have brought forth her divine son. If the mother was a tree, the son must have been recognized as the 'Man the branch.' And this entirely accounts for the putting of the Yule Log into the fire on Christmas Eve, and the appearance of the Christmas tree the next morning" (page 97).

    Tree worship was very common among the ancients. Says Festivals, Holy Days, and Saints' Days,

    "The Christmas tree . . . recapitulates the idea of tree worship. . . gilded nuts and balls symbolizing the sun . . . all the festivities of the [heathen] winter solstice have been absorbed into Christmas Day . . . the use of holly and mistletoe to the Druidic ceremonies; the Christmas tree to the honours paid to Odin's sacred fir . . ." (p.236).


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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 3:45 PM
From: joie2 Sent: 12/6/2003 8:15 PM

Writes Collins in Christmas Folklore:

    "This idea of decorating homes on holidays is both worldwide and age-old. . . So the Saturnalian laurel, the Teutonic holly, the Celtic mistletoe, and the Mexican poinsettia have all attached themselves to this polyglot ceremony . . .

    "Many of the plants used at Christmas are SYMBOLS OF FERTILITY. Certainly any evergreen (fir, yew, laurel) with its ability to return verdure in the barrens months is appropriate, but by far the most interesting are the holly, the ivy, and the mistletoe. Holly, with its pricking leaves, white flowers, and red berries symbolizes the male reproductive urge. In fact, in the English carols . . . the holly is the male and the ivy is the female. This use of the plants was most likely BORROWED by the Christians along with other customs of the ROMAN SATURNALIA" (p.22-23).

Ivy, holly's mate, in ancient Grecian rites took its name from the girl who danced with such abandon and joy before Dionysius that she fell dead at his feet. The pagan god, moved by her dance, turned her into the ivy that she might entwine whatever is near. Dionysius, of course, was the Greek version of the god of wine and revelry, another form of Bacchus, Tammuz, or Nimrod!

Mistletoe, since the earliest of times, has been regarded as mysterious and sacred, the symbol of the sun, bestower of life, an aphrodisiac, and protector against disease and poison. The plant was especially sacred to the Celtic Druids who offered it in prayer to the gods. The mistletoe was referred to by pagans as the "golden bough." The two great holidays when the pagans gathered mistletoe were Midsummer Day, the summer solstice, and December 25, the winter solstice. It was supposed to posses the power of revealing treasures in the earth, and was formed into a "divining rod." It was also looked upon as the "seat of life" of the sacred oak, and as an emanation of the sun's fire. Kissing under the mistletoe is a survival of Saturnalian sexual licentiousness and bawdy immoral behavior, which was commonplace at the Saturnalia.

What about Dear Old "Santa Claus"?

Even Santa Claus has a not-so-benign origin! This fat and jolly elf can be traced back to another ancient pagan Norse legend! Admits the Worldbook Encyclopedia,

    "Some of Santa Claus's characteristics date back many centuries. For example, the belief that Santa enters the house through the chimney developed from an old Norse legend. The Norse believed that the goddess Hertha appeared in the fireplace and brought good luck to the home."

Although most people assume that the original "Santa Claus" was a bishop by the name of St. Nicholas of Asia Minor of the fourth century, this is not really true. Although some of this bishop's deeds later came to be associated with "St. Nick," the original "Nicholas" was once again Nimrod, the "mighty one against the Lord." The word "Nicholas" means "mighty one, powerful." Traditions of a "god" who gave gifts under an evergreen tree antecede the Asian Minor bishop by thousands of years! Among the Scandinavians it was the god Odin or Woden who left special gifts during the Yuletide season under the evergreen tree, his sacred tree!

Tony van Renterghem writes in When Santa Was a Shaman: The Ancient Origins of Santa Claus & the Christmas Tree:

    "In newly Christianized areas where the pagan Celtic and Germanic cults remained strong, legends of the god Wodan were blended with those of various Christian saints; Saint Nicholas was one of these. There were Christian areas where Saint Nicholas ruled alone; in other locations, he was assisted by the pagan Dark Helper (the slave he had inherited from the pagan god Wodan). In other remote areas . . . ancient pockets of the Olde Religion controlled traditions. Here the Dark Helper ruled alone, sometimes in a most confusing manner, using the cover name of Saint Nicholas or 'Klaus,' without in any way changing his threatening, Herne/Pan, fur0-clad appearance. (This was the figure later used by the artist Nast as the model for the early American Santa Claus)" (page 96).

The Catholic Saint Nicholas also had a confusing past. Says van Renterghem, "He was a compilation of two separate saints (one from Myra in Asia Minor, the other from Pinora), both of whom were -- as the Church nowadays admits -- nothing more than Christianized water deities (possibly related to the Greco-Roman god Poseidon/Neptune)" (ibid.). In the 1970s, the Second Vatican Council formally stated that no Roman Catholic bishop by the name of Nicholas had ever existed! Vatican II further confessed that the legends attributed to this "saint" had no Christian origin, and probably came from pagan traditions!

Says van Renterghem, further:

    "By absorbing such PAGAN FEASTS AND TRADITIONS, the Christian Church could subtly bring in its own theology: in this case, establishing the good Saint Nicholas, bringer of love and gifts, while grudgingly allowing the presence of the Olde Religion's Herne/Pan, but only as a slave to Saint Nicholas. Thus, in parts of Europe, the Church turned Herne into Saint Nicholas' captive, chained Dark Helper; none other than Satan, the Dark One, symbolic of all evil. . . .

    "In Holland and several other European countries, the Saint Nicholas figure is still highly esteemed. He appears as a tall, dignified, bearded, white-haired old man, dressed as a Catholic bishop, complete with cloak, mytre, and pastoral staff, a seemingly genuine Catholic saint, but with a bizarre, quite unsaintly habit of riding through the skies on a white horse, followed by his Dark Helper. It seems that our Catholic saint inherited some of these customs from the pagan god Wodan, who had also been a BEARDED, WHITE- HAIRED OLD MAN, also dressed in a hat and cloak, carried a staff (or spear), rode a white horse, and dragged along the same dark slave/helper on a chain" (p.97).

So much for old "Santa Claus"! This mythological figure, also, is pagan to the core!

The Dutch "Sinterklaas" brings gifts to good children, while bad children are harrassed by the "Dark Helper," called Zwarte Pier, or "Black Pete," who brandishes a broom-like rod. Like Santa Claus, Sinterklaas also had the habit of entering homes through the chimney! His helper, "Black Pete," is today, still horned, fur-clad, scary, and less than kind to children. Although portrayed as the slave helper of Saint Nicholas, the two are, in many villages, blended into one character, who often has the name Nikolaas or Klaus. Thus "Santa Claus" is blended with, and is none other than, that old enemy of mankind, Satan the devil!

    "In Germany, Saint Nicholas' Dark Helper is a swarthy, horned, frightening little man, always brandishing the besom [broom]. He is known by many names: Knecht Ruprecht (servant Ruprecht), or in Bavaria, Pelz Nickel, meaning 'fur-clad Nick.' In Tyrol, the picture is even clearer; there the Dark Helper is Kllaubau, a scarier version of the British Herne the Hunter, a chained, furry, black-faced horned creature" (p.103-105).

Who was this Odin, or Woden, the original "Santa Claus"? He was the chief god of Norse mythology, a fierce fighter who carried a spear as his special weapon. He was renown as a mighty hunter, and for his magical powers. This same author declares, further, of the connection between Odin/Wodan and Saint Nicholas:

    "Wodan/Odin: The Germanic/Nordic sun god; man's friend, the mysterious Schimmel rider. Dragging his dark and devilish slave Eckhart along on a chain, he rides through the stormy skies. He leads the Wild Hunt, eluding, and finally subjugating, the powers of evil. He also wears a broad-brimmed hat, a wide mantel, holds his spear, and rides through the skies (replace his hat with a bishop's mytre and the spear with a crozier, and we have the Dutch Saint Nicholas)" (p.111).

In other words, Odin was another name for Nimrod, who, the Bible says, was "the mighty hunter before [the Hebrew word for "before" also means "against"] the LORD" (Genesis 10:9). Nimrod's reputation as a mighty hunter was widespread.

Says Alexander Hislop, "The Wodan or Odin of Scandinavia can be proved to be the Adon of Babylon" (The Two Babylons, p.133-134). Nimrod, Adon, or Adonis, of Babylon was the great "war-god." Odin was the same. Nimrod, in the character of Bacchus, was the god of wine. Odin was said to partake of no other food but wine. The name of one of Odin's sons, Balder, indicates the meaning of Odin's own name. Balder is a form of the Chaldee Baal-zer, "The seed of Baal." The Hebrew "z" in the later Chaldee frequently became a "d." Baal and Adon both signify "Lord." Since Balder is the "son of Baal," as well as the "son of Adon," or "Odin," then Baal, Adon, and Odin must be the same person -- representative of Nimrod, the first human to be deified and proclaimed by the pagans as a "god" after the Deluge!

"Santa Claus," then, is not so innocent and cherubic a figure after all! Why do parents take their young children, sit them on "Santa's lap," and insist on teaching them Santa Claus myths? The word "Santa," rearranged, spells "S-A-T-A-N," and "Claus" is reminiscent of "Claws" -- in other words, "SATAN'S CLAWS"! Do you want Satan, the arch-enemy of mankind, to get his "claws" into your children? By teaching them Santa Claus myths, and taking them to "Christmas parties," with "Santa Claus" handing out "gifts," you are subtly teaching your children to worship Satan the devil, the great impostor!

The True Origin of "Christmas"

It is indeed strange that a day never mentioned or sanctioned in the Bible should become the chief so-called "Christian" holiday of the entire year -- a day never celebrated by Jesus Christ, or His apostles, or the early New Testament Church of God!

What is the actual origin of the celebration of December 25? A careful look at the word "Christmas" itself ought to tell us something. Notice! It itself is a mixture. Though it includes the name of Christ, it also mentions the "mass." Where did the "mass" -- with its rituals, elaborate ceremony, pagan prayers for the dead, transubstantiation rites, etc. -- come from?

Alexander Hislop in his remarkable book The Two Babylons, points out that the "mass" is something that definitely goes back to ancient PAGAN customs and rites! He declares in plain and clear language:

    "Therefore we find the women of Judah represented as simply 'burning incense, pouring out drink-offerings, and offering CAKES to the queen of heaven' (Jer. 44:19). The cakes were the 'unbloody sacrifice' she required. . . . In the FOURTH CENTURY, when the queen of heaven, under the name of Mary, was beginning to be worshipped in the Christian Church, this 'unbloody sacrifice' also was brought in. Epiphanius states that the practice of offering and eating it began among `women of Arabia; and at that time it was well known to have been ADOPTED FROM THE PAGANS. The very shape of the unbloody sacrifice of Rome may indicate when it came. It is a small thin, round wafer; and on its roundness the Church of Rome lays so much stress . . . . The importance, however, which Rome attaches to the roundness of the wafer, must have a reason; and that reason will be found, if we look at the altars of EGYPT. 'The thin, round cake,' says Wilkinson, 'occurs on all altars.' Almost every jot or tittle in the Egyptian worship had a symbolical meaning. The round disk, so frequent in the sacred emblems of Egypt, symbolized the sun" (The Two Babylons, p.159-160).

The "sun-god" in ancient Egypt was Osiris. The round disk of the Egyptian "mass" symbolized the sun, and was an offering symbolizing the sun-god. He was considered the life and nourishment of the souls of men!

The "Christ-mass" therefore is nothing more than the celebration of the birth of the "sun-god" himself, the False Messiah, the False "Saviour" of the world, and the "mass" itself also represents the offering or "cakes" made to the queen of heaven, the "Mother" of the pagan Saviour, the "unbloody sacrifice"! Again, "Christ-mass" is proved to be PAGAN to the core!

It is a fact that December 25 was celebrated for thousands of years before the birth of Christ as the birth day of an ancient pagan god -- THE SUN GOD! Alexander Hislop points out the truth in these shocking words -- at least, they ought to be shocking to anybody with a clear, undefiled, and conscientious mind:

    "Indeed, it is admitted by the most learned and candid writers of all parties that the day of our Lord's birth cannot be determined, and that within the Christian Church no such festival as Christmas was ever heard of till the third century, and that not till the fourth century was far advanced did it gain much observance. How, then, did the Romish Church fix on December the 25th as Christmas-day? Why, thus: Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise time of the year, in honour of the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the SAME FESTIVAL WAS ADOPTED by the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ. This tendency on the part of Christians to MEET PAGANISM HALF-WAY was very early developed. . . . Upright men strove to stem the tide, but in spite of all their efforts, the apostasy went on, till the Church, with the exception of a small remnant, was submerged under Pagan superstition" (p.93).

Hislop goes on,

    "That Christmas was originally a Pagan festival, is beyond all doubt. The time of the year, and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove its origin. In Egypt, the son of Isis, the Egyptian title for the queen of heaven, was born at this very time, 'about the time of the winter solstice.' The very name by which Christmas is popularly known among ourselves -- Yule-day -- proves at once its Pagan and Babylonian origin. 'Yule' is the Chaldee name for an 'infant' or 'little child;' and as the 25th of December was called by our Pagan Anglo- Saxon ancestors, 'Yule-day,' or the "Child's day,' and the night that preceded it, 'Mother-night,' long BEFORE they came in contact with Christianity, that sufficiently proves its real character" (pp.93-94).

December 25th was observed far and wide among the ancient world. This day was "The birth-day of the unconquered Sun." The Yule log represented the dead stock of the slain Nimrod, arch-apostate rebel against the Lord after the flood (see Genesis 10:8-10), and the Christmas-tree was supposedly Nimrod reborn -- the slain god come to life again!

In Europe, the Saxons offered a boar in sacrifice to the sun, to propitiate the queen of heaven on Christmas day. The boar, in pagan mythology, was supposed to have slain the false pagan Messiah. The boar was also a major article of the feast of Saturn at Rome. The boar's head is still a standing dish in England at Christmas dinner. Says Hislop: "There can be no doubt, then, that the Pagan festival at the winter solstice -- in other words, Christmas -- was held in honor of the birth of the Babylonian Messiah" (p.102).

The largest pagan religious cult which fostered sun worship in the Greek and Roman worlds on December 25 was the cult of Mithraism. They called it "the Nativity of the Sun." Mithras, the sun-god, was supposed to have been born at this time, but so were Osiris, Horus, Tammuz, Hercules, Bacchus, Adonis, Jupiter -- all the pagan Messiahs! This fact alone would seem to indicate that all these pagan sun-gods and deities trace their roots back to the original sun-god of ancient Babylon -- Nimrod!

This popular winter festival became such an established custom that in pagan Rome and Greece, Egypt, and throughout Europe, the period of the winter solstice was a time of great revelry and festivity. In Rome it became known as the "Saturnalia," in honor of the god Saturn, "the hidden one." Saturn was another name for Nimrod, who late in his apostasy went into hiding from Shem, the son of Noah. The "feast of Saturn," Hislop adds, "lasted five days; loose reins were given to drunkenness and revelry, slaves had a temporary emancipation, and used all manner of freedoms with their masters. This was precisely the way in which, according to Berosus, the drunken festival of the month Thebeth, answering to our December, in other words, the festival of Bacchus, was celebrated in Babylon" (p.96-97).

Writes T. G. Crippen in Christmas and Christmas Lore,

    "Now in December and the beginning of January there were several festivals which were intimately associated with the daily life of the Roman people. First, from the 17th to the 21st December, was the Saturnalia, the great Roman holiday . . . One might call it the Feast of Topsy-turveydom; when slaves were allowed for a few days to enjoy the semblance of freedom, were waited upon by their masters, and chose from amongst themselves a mock king to preside over their revels. Next, on the 22nd, came Sigillaria, the Feast of Dolls, when a fair was held, and dolls and other toys, mostly of earthenware, were given to children. Then, on 25th, came Brumalia, other- wise Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, The Birthday of the Unconquered Sun, when the days began to lengthen after the solstice. . . . It is believed to have been instituted . . . by the emperor Aurelian, in honour of Mithras, the Persian sun-god . . ." (p.8-9).

Clearly, the pagan customs of Christmas had nothing remotely to do with Christ, or the Word of God, the Scriptures. Clearly, they had nothing to offer to the Church of God, as they were the very antithesis of true Christianity! Yet, somehow, this ancient pagan festival wormed its way into the established "Christian" Church and became its most prominent holiday of the year! What a monstrous mystery!

The Catholic Church took the excitement which surrounded the Roman Saturnalia, with its excesses, delights, debauchery, and wantonness, and called them the celebration of the birth of the Son of God, Jesus. Most people today still think of December 25 as the birth day of Jesus, even though this is definitely not the case.

This pagan "bash" was transformed by the Catholic Church into the festivities of Christmas, in honor of the Madonna and Child. Thus the pagan Semiramis (Egyptian Isis) and Tammuz (Horus) were "transformed," by sleight of hand, by the "magicians" of the Roman Church, into Mary and Jesus. In this manner, the pagan practices of the past centuries became outwardly "Christian" in name and character! For almost 300 years after the time of Jesus, the Church showed no concern for the date of Christ's birth. The apostles and leaders of the New Testament Church never bothered to find out when Jesus was born, as the date was not important to them. It was not until the fourth century that Christmas began to be observed by the Roman Catholic Church. Says the Encyclopedia Americana:

    "Christmas -- it was according to many authorities not celebrated in the first centuries of the Christian Church as the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth. A feast was established in memory of the birth of the Saviour in the Fourth Century. In the Fifth Century the Western Church ordered it to be celebrated forever on the day of the old Roman Feast of the birth of Sol."

That is how an ancient PAGAN CUSTOM became engrafted upon the unsuspected Christian world! But should true followers of Christ, the Messiah, participate in ANCIENT PAGAN CUSTOMS? Should true Christians celebrate "Christmas"?

The Puritans, who were Christians attempting to reform the Church during the 1600's, did not believe Christmas should be observed. This "baptism" of pagan rites and festivals by the Roman Catholic and the vast majority of the Protestant Churches, was totally rejected by the Puritans. One of them, William Prynne, during the time of king Charles I, wrote:

    "Our Christmas lords of Misrule, together with dancing, masques, mummeries, stage-players, and such other Christmas disorders, now in use with Christians, were derived from these Roman Saturnalia and Bacchanalian festivals; which should cause all pious Christians eternally to abominate them" (The Book of Christmas Folklore, p.8).

Because of his attitude toward Christmas and pagan rituals still observed by the professing Christian Church, William Prynne was placed in a pillory and his ears were cut off.

Should Christians Observe "Christmas"?

Should Christians today celebrate this ancient festival? Many today may think it is all right, but the opinions of men are not our standard or authority. What does the Word of God itself say about this matter? It is a very serious question. Is it all right in the sight of God for men to take pagan customs and traditions, and to observe them, calling them "Christian"? Is it all right to merge and combine PAGAN practices with the truth of God?

According to the prophet Malachi, God does not change (Mal.3:8). His laws and commandments are eternal (Psa.111:7-8). Does God say it is all right to observe the traditions and customs of the pagans?

God commanded ancient Israel, "I am the Lord your God. You must NOT DO AS THEY DO IN EGYPT, where you used to live, and you must NOT DO AS THEY DO IN THE LAND OF CANAAN, where I am bringing you. DO NOT FOLLOW THEIR PRACTICES. You must obey my laws, and be careful to follow my decrees" (Lev.18:2-4).

God hates idolatry! He detests it with vehement passion. He tells us, ". . . Be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, 'How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.' YOU must NOT WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD IN THEIR WAY, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of DETESTABLE THINGS the LORD HATES" (Deut.12:29-31).

Because of pagan idolatrous practices, God cast the Canaanites out of the Promised Land. They were worshippers of Baal, or Nimrod, Tammuz, the sun god, the pagan Messiah, the god of wine and revelry. They worshipped the evergreen tree, and used it as a symbol of their god. They observed December 25, in worship of the waning sun, and their sun-god divinity. This whole religious system stemmed from ancient Babylon, the fount of all heresy and apostasy.

Their sensuality and gross lasciviousness was particularly displayed during the mid-winter festival, called the Saturnalia in Rome, with gift-giving, drunkenness, and sexual licentiousness. God says of such Bacchanalial rites,

    "Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled, so I punished it for its sin, and the land VOMITED out its inhabitants. . . Anyone who does any of these DETESTABLE THINGS -- such persons must be cut off from their people. Keep my requirements and do NOT follow ANY OF THE DETEST- ABLE CUSTOMS that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God" (Lev.18:24-30).

Even such idolatrous items as the "Christmas tree" are condemned in the Word of God! Jeremiah the prophet wrote,

    "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord, LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them [such as the waning sun at the winter solstice!]. For the CUSTOMS of the people are VAIN [empty, useless, worthless]: for one CUTTETH A TREE out of the FOREST, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They DECK IT WITH SILVER AND WITH GOLD; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good" (Jer.10:1-5).



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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 3:47 PM
From: joie2 Sent: 12/6/2003 8:18 PM

Truly, the whole world has been deceived by Satan the devil and his clever masquerades and machinations (Rev.12:9). God Almighty thunders: "Wherefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Are ye POLLUTED after the manner of your fathers? and commit ye WHOREDOM after the manner of THEIR ABOMINATIONS? . . . ye POLLUTE yourselves with all your IDOLS, even unto this day . . . . But as for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD: Go ye, serve ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto me: but POLLUTE YE MY HOLY NAME NO MORE with your gifts, and with your idols" (Ezek.20:30-39).

The very name "Christmas," combining the holy name of Christ with the pagan mass, POLLUTES and PROFANES God's holy name! The celebration of these ancient pagan festivals, calling them "Christian," is an abomination in the sight of God! God will not accept such pagan, superstitious worship!

Jesus Christ said to His disciples, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will KNOW THE TRUTH, and the truth will set you FREE" -- free from the shackles of error, superstition, mythology, and pagan deception! (John 8:32, NIV).

Christmas is pagan. There is no doubt about it. The question is: What are you going to do about it? May God help you to make the right decision, so you can inherit eternal life, and reign with the saints forever (Rev.2:26-27; 5:10; 20:4).



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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 3:49 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 12/6/2003 8:24 PM
No such festival as Christmas was ever heard of until the THIRD century, and not until the FOURTH century was far advanced did it gain much observance.

"Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the HEATHEN, at that precise time of the year, in honor oft the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the same festival was adopted by the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ. This tendency on the part of Christians to meet Paganism half-way was very early developed." Ibid, pg 93

It is beyond doubt that Christmas was originally a pagan festival. The time of the year and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove its origin.

Isis, the Egyptian title for the "queen of heaven," gave birth to a son at this very time, about the time of the winter solstice. The term "Yule" is the Chaldee (Babylonian) name for "infant" or "little child."

This pagan festival not only commemorated the figurative birthday of the sun in the renewal of its course, but it also was celebrated (on December 24) among the Sabeans of Arabia, as the birthday of the "Lord Moon."

In Babylon, where the sun (Baal) was the object of worship, Tammuz was considered the incarnation of the Sun.

"In the Hindu mythology, which is admitted to be essentially Babylonian, this comes out very distinctly. There, Surya, or the Sun, is represented as being incarnate, and born for the purpose of subduing the enemies of the gods, who without such a birth, could not have been subdued." Ibid pg 96

There are many other Christmas counterparts of the Babylonian winter solstice festival, such as: 1) candles lighted on Christmas eve and used throughout the festival season were equally lighted by the Pagans on the eve of the festival of the Babylonian god, to do honor to him, 2) the Christmas tree was equally common in Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the palm tree; in Rome it was the fir. The tree denoted the Pagan Messiah.

"The mother of Adonis, the Sun God and great mediatorial divinity, was mystically said to have been changed into a tree, and when in that state to have brought forth her divine son. If the mother was a tree, the son must have been recognized as the ŒMan of the branch." Ibid pg 97

The Yule log was considered the dead stock of Nimrod (or Tammuz, depending on the specific nation involved), deified as the sun god, but cut down by his enemies; the Christmas tree is Nimrod revived - the slain god come to life again.

The Yule occultic colors are red and green.

The mistletoe branch symbolized "the man, the branch" and was regarded as a divine branch - a corrupt Babylonian representation of the true Messiah. Both mistletoe and holly were considered fertility plants by the pagans.

"Babylon was, at that time, the center of the civilized world; and thus Paganism, corrupting the Divine symbol as it ever has done, had opportunities of sending forth its debased counterfeit of the truth to all the ends of the earth, through the Mysteries that were affiliated with the great central system in Babylon."
Ibid pg 99

The story of the death of Adonis, also known as Tammuz, involved a fatal wound from the tusk of a boar when Tammuz was 40 years old. That is why a boar was sacrificed on this Pagan holiday. Even today, a Christmas ham is a traditional favorite of many.

"According to a Roman almanac, The Christian festival of Christmas was celebrated in Rome by A.D. 336. During the 4th century the celebration of Christ's birth on December 25 was gradually adopted by most Eastern churches. In Jerusalem, opposition to Christmas lasted longer, but it was subsequently accepted.

"The traditional customs connected with Christmas have developed from several sources as a result of the coincidence of the celebration of the birth of Christ with the pagan agricultural and solar observances at mid-winter. December 25 was regarded as the birthdate of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the Sun of Righteousness. . . The ecclesiastical calendar retains numerous remnants of pre-Christian festivals—notably Christmas, which blends elements including both the feast of the Saturnalia and the birthday of the god Mithra." Encyclopedia Britannica, 1976 edition; Micropedia II, pg 903, Macropedia 15, pg 1063.

The much-loved hero of Christmas, Santa Claus, who "knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows when you've been bad or good" and who can circumnavigate the globe in one night, is nothing more than the Winter stag god, the god of the hunt, a "take-off" on the true God of heaven, who is omnipresent (everywhere at once), omniscient (knows all), and omnipotent (all powerful).

Santa has Eight Reindeer. Reindeer are symbolic of the Pagan Stag god. The number 8 is the number for a new beginning, and, when laid on its side, is the occultic symbol for Infinity.

There can be no doubt that the Pagan festival of the winter solstice—in other words, Christmas—was held in honor of the birth of the Babylonian Messiah.

The prophet Ezekiel is told by God to:

"Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they (the Israelites) do.

"Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house (the Temple) which was toward the north; and behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz (A Sumerian fertility god similar to the Greek god, Adonis)." Ezekiel 8:14

December 25 was also the Day of Saturnalia, a celebration dedicated to the Chief god, Saturn, during which time there was much drinking, many banquets, and presents were exchanged.

God is very clear in his directives against the celebration of this Pagan holiday that Christians now universally celebrate as Christmas. God calls this an abomination! Christians celebrate December 25th blindly believe they are honoring the birth of Jesus, when they are in reality honoring the Pagan god Tammuz.

In Jeremiah 10:1-4, we read:

"Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

"Thus saith the Lord, ŒLearn NOT the way of the heathen, and be NOT dismayed at the signs of heaven (the queen of heaven, Isis, worshiped by the heathen), for the heathen are dismayed at them.

"For the customs of the people are futile: for one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.

"They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

There could be NO more specific description of a present-day Christmas, than this.

God says, "DON'T do it. This is Paganism!"



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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 3:51 PM
From: joie2 Sent: 12/6/2003 8:39 PM
4ever-  you speak to your own condemnation.  Hear the Word of the Lord:
 
Revelation 18
 1.  And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
 2.  And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
 3.  For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
 4.  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
 5.  For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
 
Come  out  of her......be not PARTAKERS  OF  HER SINS.
.......that you receive not of her plagues.
 
Just keep on partaking of her evil deeds;;;;;;;;;; your payday is soon to hit you.
His plagues are soon to hit that whore and ALL WHO PARTAKE OF HER SINS.
 
To send gifts with this holiday  is  PARTAKING OF HER SINS.
 
 


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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 3:54 PM
From: joie2 Sent: 12/6/2003 9:01 PM
4ever- and all who think you can 'play around with this and other evil holidays'  listen to the Word of God.  Listen what HE  SAID ABOUT THIS;;;;;;; THIS IS NOT JO........THIS IS GOD:
 
Deut. 12:28.  Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God.
 
...observe and hear all the word which   I  COMMAND YOU.  Did God command you to do that?  Think of this.  Find a verse, even one word where God commanded you to do that.

 29.  When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
 30.  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
 
Here is a somber warning from the Living God to those Israelites who went into Canaan.  ....be not snared by following those heathenS whom I cast out before you.    ......inquire NOT after their gods (all the idols connected with this evil x-mes day is from these same heathens past idol gods )....... asking.... How did these nations serve their gods?   and I will do likewise.
 
Now, 4ever and all you people,  read those articles we have posted here for you.  We are trying to save your souls from eternal destruction.  This is not for our benefit.  We both gave this evil mess up long years ago.  I did over 40 years ago.........so this is for you that we sit here doing this work.
 
All the articles and proven history, say that everything connected with this holiday was ADOPTED FROM THESE HEATHEN IDOLS OF THE PAST..........EVERY BIT OF IT IS FROM THE   WAY  THEY  WORSHIPPED  THEIR IDOLS..... NOW WHAT DID GOD SAY HE WOULD DO TO THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEM IN THE WAY THEY WORSHIP THEIR IDOL GODS?
 

4ever- and all who think you can 'play around with this and other evil holidays'  listen to the Word of God.  Listen what HE  SAID ABOUT THIS;;;;;;; THIS IS NOT JO........THIS IS GOD:
 
Deut. 12:28.  Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the Lord thy God.
 
...observe and hear all the word which   I  COMMAND YOU.  Did God command you to do that?  Think of this.  Find a verse, even one word where God commanded you to do that.

 29.  When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
 30.  Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
 
Here is a somber warning from the Living God to those Israelites who went into Canaan.  ....be not snared by following those heathen whom I cast out before you.    ......inquire NOT after their gods (all the idols connected with this evil x-mes day is from these same heathens past idol gods )....... asking.... How did ehses nations serve their gods?   and I will do likewise.
Now, 4ever and all you people,  read those articles we have posted here for you.  We are trying to save your souls from eternal destruction.  This is not for our benefit.  We both gave this evil mess up long years ago.  I did over 40 years ago.........so this is for you that we sit here doing this work.
 
All the articles and proven history, say that everything connected with this holiday was ADOPTED FROM THESE HEATHEN IDOLS OF THE PAST..........EVERY BIT OF IT IS FROM THE   WAY  THEY  WORSHIPPED  THEIR IDOLS..... NOW WHAT DID GOD SAY HE WOULD DO TO THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEM IN THE WAY THEY WORSHIP THEIR IDOL GODS?
 

 31.  Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
 
....EVERYTHING THESE HEATHENS DID TO THEIR GODS IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.....HE   HATES   THEM.   So if you follow their ways of worship = the modern day x-mes  mess. it is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.   And this does not bother you?  You had better do some checking up then.  It proves what I said about those other 'fake names ' for Jesus.  If it were true names, the spirit of that name would lead you and them away from these abominations to God.

 32.  What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

 
Here God said do what thing soever  I  have commanded you.  do not ADD to it; and do not take away from it.
 
Now that is God's Word, not mine.
 
Where did God command you to give gifts in the name of this heathen devil-worship day?  If he did not command it, then he said it is an abomination.  All that commit abomination will be OUTSIDE THE HOLY CITY.  THAT IS IN REV.
 
SO NOW JUST SUIT YOUR OWN SELVES.  KEEP UP YOUR HEATHEN WORSHIP, AND END UP IN HELL FIRE.
....EVERYTHING THESE HEATHENS DID TO THEIR GODS IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.....HE   HATES   THEM.   So if you follow their ways of worship = the modern day x-mes  mess. it is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.   And this does not bother you?  You had better do some checking up then.  It proves what I said about those other 'fake names ' for Jesus.  If it were true names, the spirit of that name would lead you and them away from these abominations to God.

 32.  What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Here God said do what thing soever  I  have commanded you.  do not ADD to it; and do not take away from it.
 
Now that is God's Word, not mine.
 
Where did God command you to give gifts in the name of this heathen devil-worship day?  If he did not command it, then he said it is an abomination.  All that commit abomination will be OUTSIDE THE HOLY CITY.  THAT IS IN REV.
 
SO NOW JUST SUIT YOUR OWN SELVES.  KEEP UP YOUR HEATHEN WORSHIP, AND END UP IN HELL FIRE.
 
If God did not command you to give gifts in the name of this heathen worship, and you do it, then you are ADDING TO HIS WORDS.  IT IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD.

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From: joieSent: 8/1/2005 3:55 PM
From: joie2 Sent: 12/6/2003 9:10 PM
Strange things happen here sometimes.  God said in the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word BE ESTABLISHED.
 
I truly have no idea how these double words got into my post.  I speak truth to you,  I did not try or mean to do that......indeed have no idea how they got in there.  I was shocked myself when I went back and read the post and saw those words repeated.  I did not know I did that nor do I know how it happened.
 
Guess God is doubling this to you so you know it is established truth.

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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 8/2/2005 11:23 PM
Satan just wanted to play another evil trick on people, so he taught John The Baptist birthday as the Messiah's.  Just like the famous painter used his image as that of christ, Leonardo Deviancy, [i know that i spelled his name wrong, ] but you know who I am speaking of. If you ever study him, you will be embarrass at who he used as models for the angels.
 
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From: joieSent: 8/3/2005 6:14 AM
Eric, you are just making up mess;  else you are quoting mess someone else already made up.......either way, it is a very dangerous game you are playing.......adding to the Word of God and CHANGING the Word of God.
 
Now John could not have been born on Dec. 25.  It has something to do with Satan himself, else the world would have nothing to do with it.  They NEVER obey anything from the true God.
 
If the months run as they do now, Dec. is NOT six monthe prior to Feb.  So it could not be John's birthdate.
 
Jo
p.s.  Eric, do you have any idea how serious it is to go out into eternity without true salvation?  Think of this.......hell fire is real torment and darkness and torture.

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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 8/3/2005 4:03 PM
Jo, what does February have to do with anything ? I taught you the Messiah was born June 6 @ 9am, I never said anything about February.  If you are going to accuse me, I would appreciate some accuracy please.
 
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Eric, you are just making up mess;  else you are quoting mess someone else already made up.......either way, it is a very dangerous game you are playing.......adding to the Word of God and CHANGING the Word of God.
 
Now John could not have been born on Dec. 25.  It has something to do with Satan himself, else the world would have nothing to do with it.  They NEVER obey anything from the true God.
 
If the months run as they do now, Dec. is NOT six monthe prior to Feb.  So it could not be John's birthdate.
 
Jo
p.s.  Eric, do you have any idea how serious it is to go out into eternity without true salvation?  Think of this.......hell fire is real torment and darkness and torture.

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From: joieSent: 8/3/2005 7:03 PM
Eric, you have taught me absolutely NOTHING.
 
God taught me that Jesus was born Feb. 30, and nothing any of you bring up will ever change this.  There is no Scriptrue proving any other date.
 
God blotted the day of his [Jesus] birth out of existence  [Job 3]  and there is not a missing day in June.  nor Sept. nor Dec. nor any other month EXCEPT FEBURARY.
 
You are making up stuff or listening to someone else's made up stuff with no Scripture for it.  Guess now you folks completely deny the Word of God and the Need for it, or the need to be led of God's Spirit.
 
This was ADAM's sin,,,,,setting himself up as totally self-suficient, or god to himself.
 
He left off the leadership of God, looked into the law, and consequently, was condemned.  The Law condemns all who live by it.  By the Law shall no flesh ever be justified.
 
So Adam saw his nakedness!  and was then afraid of God..  he no longer desired the presence of God.  He had set himself up as god.  afraid this is where you are...opposing the Word of God and lifting up your own carnal knowledge above the Scriptures.
 
This is the damning sin.
 
By the law is the knowledge of sin.  Adam had NO KNOWLEDGE of sin  until he went into the law.  By the law he saw himself undone, naked, and lost.
 
There he will be forever, for he never repented and turned back to God.  Sure hope you do not make this same mistake......loving that evil earthly father!
 
I love my Heavenly Father.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 8/4/2005 2:40 PM
Jo I did not set myself up as Yahweh alone, I said everything and everyone seen and not seen is Yahweh manifested ! Woman when Yahweh blotted out the day the Messiah was born it was not physical, it was spiritual, it was blotted out from man's memory, cause these satanic religions would have abused it as they do everything else of Yahweh.  [santa claus-rabbits-water baptism Mosaic Law etc.]  Now I see how you got confused, I told you, stop looking for fleshly proof, the proof is within, never without. Sweetie the way we think [by calendar and physical time] Adam came in the world on June 6 @ 9am, that is why the Messiah had to come in at that same time, but on the 4Th day, pointing to the 4Th day of the creation in which the sun/son was place in the heavens, jot and title remember, He that is in you will reveal this is true to you if only you believe in Him within and listen to Him, but you must be still, for this to happen. Also remember that when I say day, I am speaking on a spiritual level, I000 years is a day with Yahweh. In truth everything happen in the day, Yahweh said it and thus it was.  It is us, the manifestation that is just catching on. Even this is done for the plea sue of Yahweh.
Jo you are right about one thing, Eric never taught you anything, if you know something of truth, it was Yahweh in heaven who taught you.  Now do you have a idea where Heaven is ?  Remember it is written that Heaven is not in any geographical place, but in the spirit at all times, again I ask where is SPIRIT, THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE HOLY GHOST ?
 
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From: joieSent: 8/5/2005 3:29 AM
Sweetie the way we think [by calendar and physical time] Adam came in the world on June 6 @ 9am, that is why the Messiah had to come in at that same time, [Eric]

Eric, I say either you made this up or listened to someone else's made up stuff.  The Word of God says to PROVE all things.  How do you purpose to do this?  There is only one way.......it must be written in God's Word.

You, me, nor anyone else has the power, knowledge or authority to decide these things.  We must read them in the Word of God.  Do you ever read the Word of God?  If so, what?  where?  what book?

Why can you not tell us what your 'source' of knowledge is?  I do not mind telling you all ....mine is.....THE HOLY KING JAMES VERSION SCRIPTURES.

Now, you tell us yours!

Now God said he blotted the day of his son's birth out.  [see, all Scripture is about Jesus]  All prophecies are about Jesus.  When Jeremiah said, Cursed be the day wherein I was born, let it not be blessed, he was speaking Jesus' words.

He said in almost every chapter,  this is the Word of the Lord.  So it was NOT jeremiah's words;  it was not his birthday.  It was the birthday of Jesus.

So it is cursed by God.  This is the other witness of this matter, going with Job 3.

God said this day is not numbered with the days of the month or year.  It has neither light, dawn, twilight or sees any stars.  It dwells all alone somewhere known only to God.

So I submit to you all,  that June 6th STILL EXISTS!!!!!

It was NOT blotted out.  We still have it.  So this cannot be the right day.

All the days are still in Sept, which some claim to be his birthday month.  It is not true.  Not one day is missing from Sept, Dec. or June.  Dec. 25 exists,  so this cannot be Jesus' birthday.

 

That day does not exist.  It can only be FEB. 30.

Now, no wonder all unbelievers try to discredit the precious KJV.

all the true answers are in this Holy Book.  TRY TO BLACK IT ALL YOU WISH,,,,,,,YOU ARE ONLY CHEATING YOURSELF.

Everyone else who 'claims' to know his birthdate have never found one bit of evidence in the Word of God to back it up.  Wonder why the entire world REJECTS THIS PURE TRUTH FOUND IN JOB THREE?

I say it is because you all love idols, and are not willing to give them up.

Jo


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