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Brainstorming Bd : IKK Brainstorm--3-9 Oct 2003, Bothered Lin
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Lin;

On the off-chance that you haven't seen these before... Cheers, Wayne

1) Hemphill Family History
Entries: 45213 Updated: Tue Sep 9 18:21:20 2003
Contact: Jerald L. Hemphill ([email protected])
Home Page: Jerald L. Hemphill Personal Homepage (webpages.charter.net/jlhemphill1/)
Jerald L. Hemphill Family Tree - A work in progress - Consider all info unproven unless otherwise stated - Additions/Corrections welcomed.Please note: If you share info with me you MUST tell me if you do NOT want names and dates listed for the living
ID: I26596
Name: Israel Nicholas MCCARTY 1
Sex: M
Death: UNKNOWN 1
Reference Number: 85

Marriage 1 Mary Jane THOMAS b: 21 JUL 1842
Married: 23 JAN 1873 in Benton, Franklin, Illinois

Marriage 2 Martha THOMAS
Married: 31 OCT 1884 in Benton, Franklin, Illinois

Marriage 3 Sarah H. BRANSON b: 1869 in Desoto, Jackson, Illinois
Married: 9 AUG 1897 in Benton, Franklin, Illinois 1
Children
Clarence Edward MCCARTY
Theron MCCARTY
Orval MCCARTY b: ABT 1901
James Oliver MCCARTY b: 29 JUL 1903

Sources:
Title: 022222.ged
Repository:
Call Number:
Media: Other
Text: Date of Import: Dec 29, 2000

2) Overton Harlow Of the Virginia Harlows
Entries: 7640 Updated: Mon Mar 17 16:41:05 2003
Contact: Tim Means ([email protected])
ID: I09715
Name: Israel Nicholas MCCARTY 1
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1852 in IL 1
Death: UNKNOWN 1
Reference Number: 85

Father: William MCCARTY b: UNKNOWN
Mother: Tabitha HORN? b: UNKNOWN

Marriage 1 Mary Jane THOMAS b: 21 JUL 1842
Married: 23 JAN 1873 in Franklin County, Illinois 1
Children
Henrettie MCCARTY b: 23 SEP 1878

Marriage 2 Martha THOMAS b: UNKNOWN
Married: 31 OCT 1884 in Franklin County, Illinois 1

Marriage 3 Sarah H. BRANSON b: 1869 in DeSoto, Jackson County,, IL
Married: 9 AUG 1897 in Benton, Franklin, Ill 1
Children
Orval MCCARTY b: ABT 1901
James Oliver MCCARTY b: 29 JUL 1903
Clarence Edward MCCARTY b: UNKNOWN
Theron MCCARTY b: UNKNOWN

Sources:
Title: John Branson.FTW
Repository:
Call Number:
Media: Other
Text: Date of Import: Jul 16, 2002

3) SMOTHERS GENEALOGY DATABASE
Entries: 14346 Updated: Fri Oct 3 06:23:05 2003
Contact: Bill Smothers ([email protected])
Home Page: Genealogy & DNA Project Web Site for Smothers/Smithers & Allied Families (www.members.dca.net/smothers/genealogy/)
This database contains ancestors, descendants, and collateral family lines for myself , my 3rd-great grandparents, Edmond & Catherine Smothers of North Carolina & Tennessee, and for my wife and her 2nd-great grandparents, Henry & Adeline Barber Fowler of
ID: I5033
Name: Israel Nicholas MCCARTY
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1869

Marriage 1 Sarah Helen BRANSON b: ABT 1869 in DeSoto, Jackson Co., IL
Married: 9 AUG 1897 in Benton, Franklin Co., IL

4) Branson
Entries: 2237 Updated: Sun Sep 7 09:03:12 2003
Contact: Deanna West
Branson and Associated Families
ID: I0085
Name: Israel Nicholas MCCARTY
Sex: M
Birth: ABT. 1852 in IL
Death: 18 JUN 1918 in Tamma, Alexander Co, IL
Reference Number: 85

Father: William MCCARTY b: UNKNOWN
Mother: Tabitha HORN? b: UNKNOWN

Marriage 1 Mary Jane THOMAS b: 21 JUL 1842
Married: 23 JAN 1873 in Franklin County, Illinois
Children
Henrettie MCCARTY b: 23 SEP 1878

Marriage 2 Martha THOMAS b: UNKNOWN
Married: 31 OCT 1884 in Franklin County, Illinois

Marriage 3 Sarah H. BRANSON b: 1869 in DeSoto, Jackson Co., IL
Married: 9 AUG 1897 in Benton, Franklin, Ill
Children
Orval MCCARTY b: ABT. 1901
James Oliver MCCARTY b: 29 JUL 1903
Clarence Edward MCCARTY b: UNKNOWN
Theron MCCARTY b: UNKNOWN

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From: MSN NicknameBotheredLinSent: 10/5/2003 10:56 PM
I'm so glad someone finally figured it all out. ha Ha. Yes like mother, like daughter. My g grandmother was not married when she had Nioba and Nioba wasn't married when she had Niobe. I shouldn't be making fun of my family, but these names are horrible. I can't imagine anyone naming their child that.My g aunt states that her father's name was Arnold Mc Carty b. in Mo. on her marr. appl. She also says she was marr to a guy with the last name of Elmore.  I haven't found to much info I can relay on in this family except census and they are hard to find. I mean 1910 and then you go to 1930. They must have been hiding in 1920. They had to be living with someone with the same last name or else they would be in the index. I went thru practiculy the whole state of IL and IN with no luck. I was b. in Elkhart, IN which is on the border with MI. I live in South Bend which is about 16 miles from there. The earliest I can find them in Elkhart is 1922. Nioba in 1932. The family sure got around, but I don't know with who or where.
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Search > Census > U.S. Census > 1930 U.S. Federal Census > Indiana > Elkhart > Elkhart > District 8 (which is darned near in Michigan, far cry from Franklin County, IL!) I would like to point out that Mrs Sarah H McCarty (mother of James O) says she was first married at age 25 and that she is now 61 & wd, the year is 1930. Year minus age is birth year of 1869, add to that 25 years, 1894. 1894 Happens to be Nioba's birth year. (ok, someone in the household might not have known that Nioba was born out of wedlock. Or did both mother & daughther have children out of wedlock? Or was it just Nioba that had a child out of wedlock? If Sarah was previously married what is the married name and what is the maiden name. So many questions!)

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This one just might mean something. When I was in Al meeting my sister for the 1st time I asked my step mother why my dad kept going to Texas and she said he had a uncle down there. That he was pretty big. Problem was she didn't know anything else. I also know that when my parent's divorced my dad joined the marines in New Mexico. I also know that cousin of mine who died married his wife in AR. This guy has a connect to all 3 states.
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Matching Obit for the wife bio
Dallas Morning News, The (TX)

October 4, 1988
SERVICES TODAY FOR EDWARD CLARENCE McCARTY, 84

By The Dallas Morning News (DAL) + _____
Edition: HOME FINAL
Section: NEWS
Page: 20a





Index Terms:
DEATH OBITUARY






Deceased Name: SERVICES TODAY FOR EDWARD CLARENCE McCARTY, 84

Services for Edward Clarence McCarty, retired chairman of the board of Sabine Corp. in Dallas, will be at 2 p.m. Tuesday at St. Michael and All Angels Episcopal Church in Dallas.
Burial will be at Hillcrest Memorial Park in Dallas.
McCarty died Sunday at Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas after a brief illness. He was 84.
McCarty graduated from high school in Yellville, Ark., then attended Hendrix College in Conway, Ark.
He worked at the Federal Reserve Bank in Little Rock, Ark., First National Bank in El Dorado, Ark., and then at banks in New Mexico and Texas during the early 1930s.
In 1935, he began working for Sabine Royalty Co., which later became Sabine Corp. When the company moved its corporate office to Dallas in 1948, McCarty became executive vice president. He later served as president and retired in 1976 as chairman of the board.
In 1983, Sabine Corp. honored him by establishing the E.C. McCarty Centennial Professorship in Business at the University of Texas at Austin.
McCarty was past president of the Petroleum Club of Dallas and served as director of the Independent Petroleum Association of America and the Dallas Country Club.
He was a member of St. Michael and All Angels Episcopal Church. He was also a longtime member of the Dallas Chamber of Commerce, vice president and membership chairman of the Texas Independent Producers and Royalty Owners Association and a member of Brook Hollow Golf Club.
He is survived by his wife, Madelyne Murphy McCarty of Dallas; a daughter, Martha Kimmerling of Dallas; two sisters, Mabel Holland of Belton in Bell County, and Kate Carson of Harrison, Ark.; a brother, Dan McCarty of Conroe in Montgomery County; and two grandchildren.
Memorials may be made to the Cardiology Fund at Presbyterian Hospital or a charity of choice.





(c) Copyright, 1988, The Dallas Morning News
Record Number: DAL677154

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This is the only IL Niobe to show up in HQ's census index (which now includes 1900). There were no Nioba's listed and there were no hits for IN. Cheers, Wayne

1910 Census, IL, Jackson Co., Elk Twp, Ed unreadable, Sheet unreadable, Page 125,
Roll 293, 16 Apr 1910
Edwin R. Akens, Head, M, W, 33, M1, 9, -, -, IL, IL, KY, Miner--coal mine, Rents house
Hannah E. Akens, Wife, F, W, 30, M1, 9, 2, 0, IL, OH, IN, none
Niobe R. Knouff, Sister-in law, F, W, 41, S, -, -, -, IL, OH, IN, none
Gayle W. Knouff, Foster nephew, M, W, 11, S, -, -, -, MO, MO, IL, none

1920 Census, IL, Jackson Co., Elk Twp., Village of Elkville, ED 54, Sheet, 4B, Page 28,
Roll 376, 3 Jan 1920, Address: 4th St.
Edward Akins, Head, Owns, M, W, 43, M, IL, IL, KY, Proprietor--grocery store
Hannah Akins, Wife, F, W, 39, M, IL, OH, IN, none
Rowland Akins, Son, M, W, 7, S, IL, IL, IL, none
Lyman H. Akins, Son, M, W, 3, S, IL, IL, IL, none
Donal L. Akins, Son, M, W, 2mos, S, IL, IL, IL, none
Niobe R. Knouff, Sister-in-law, F, W, 51, M, S, IL, OH, IN, none
Gayle Knouff, Boarder, M, W, 21, S, MO, MO, MO, Clerk--grocery store

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Yea, she married a guy by the name of Hervey Lee Brown. it was her 2nd marriage she said. It was his 3rd. They are both buried in Rice cem. in Elkhart.
Lin

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NIOBE BROWN 13 Mar 1894 Jan 1986 Elkhart, Elkhart, IN IN (Before 1951) 308-18-3250 I used Niob* for given, and 189* for birth year in the SSDI and this is the very best fit.


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I.I've got ancestry's census and no one in this family shows up after 1910 until 1930 and not before 1880. I think I had convicts for ancestors.
Lin

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This is the only IL Niobe to show up in HQ's census index (which now includes 1900). There were no Nioba's listed and there were no hits for IN. Cheers, Wayne

1910 Census, IL, Jackson Co., Elk Twp, Ed unreadable, Sheet unreadable, Page 125,
Roll 293, 16 Apr 1910
Edwin R. Akens, Head, M, W, 33, M1, 9, -, -, IL, IL, KY, Miner--coal mine, Rents house
Hannah E. Akens, Wife, F, W, 30, M1, 9, 2, 0, IL, OH, IN, none
Niobe R. Knouff, Sister-in law, F, W, 41, S, -, -, -, IL, OH, IN, none
Gayle W. Knouff, Foster nephew, M, W, 11, S, -, -, -, MO, MO, IL, none

1920 Census, IL, Jackson Co., Elk Twp., Village of Elkville, ED 54, Sheet, 4B, Page 28,
Roll 376, 3 Jan 1920, Address: 4th St.
Edward Akins, Head, Owns, M, W, 43, M, IL, IL, KY, Proprietor--grocery store
Hannah Akins, Wife, F, W, 39, M, IL, OH, IN, none
Rowland Akins, Son, M, W, 7, S, IL, IL, IL, none
Lyman H. Akins, Son, M, W, 3, S, IL, IL, IL, none
Donal L. Akins, Son, M, W, 2mos, S, IL, IL, IL, none
Niobe R. Knouff, Sister-in-law, F, W, 51, M, S, IL, OH, IN, none
Gayle Knouff, Boarder, M, W, 21, S, MO, MO, MO, Clerk--grocery store

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None of these are my Nioba.
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Elmore's in the area. 1920 census index, exact spell, Franklin Co. only Elmore, Fannie 48 >BirthYear(1920, '48');</SCRIPT> 1871 Illinois White Benton, Franklin, Illinois Elmore, Gossie 42 >BirthYear(1920, '42');</SCRIPT> 1877 Illinois White Frankfort, Franklin, Illinois Elmore, Loyd 18 >BirthYear(1920, '18');</SCRIPT> 1901 Illinois White Frankfort, Franklin, Illinois Elmore, Frank B 51 >BirthYear(1920, '51');</SCRIPT> 1868 Kentucky White Tyrone, Franklin, Illinois



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Lenord is my gg grandfather, James is my g grandfather.
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Branson, Martha View Image Online
State: Illinois Year: 1850
County: Franklin Roll: M432_106
Township: Unknown Townships Page: 27
Image: 249
Age: 18
Household: Bailey'S
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Branson, Oceline View Image Online
State: Illinois Year: 1850
County: Franklin Roll: M432_106
Township: Unknown Townships Page: 27
Image: 249
Age: 17 KY
Household: Bailey's
Brother: Joseph 13 KY
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Branson, Lenord View Image Online
State: Illinois Year: 1850
County: Franklin Roll: M432_106
Township: Unknown Townships Page: 36
Image: 267
Age: 50 MD
Household: Mary 38 KY, Julia 18 KY, Martha 16 IL, Rebecca 15 IL, Jno B 13 IL, Jerrod 11 IL, Henry 10 IL, Ellis 8 IL, Melvina 4 IL
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State: Illinois Year: 1850
County: Franklin Roll: M432_106
Township: Unknown Townships Page: 28
Image: 251
Age: 21 KY
Household: Carter's

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