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General : Thomas Hobbes Writes Advertising Copy for Babette's Secret
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From: eViL pOp TaRt  (Original Message)Sent: 2/18/2003 10:51 PM

"Mr. Hobbes, I must confess that your proposals for our new add campaign is truly innovative; and while innovation usually is an advantage in advertising, we feel that some of your slogans might not easily fit in with our product. Consider your statement:

"Lingerie philosophy is nothing else but the science of what is good, and evil, in the conversation, and society of mankind. Good, and evil, are names that signify our appetites, and aversions; which in different tempers, customs, and doctrines of women, are different."

"That statement does not sufficiently address the matter of choosing briefs versus bikinis versus thongs very well.  I recommend that you emphasize styling, sensousness, and comfort instead.  Likewise,

"No bras; no teddies; no bustiers; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent embarassment: and the life of woman becomes solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."

"While we certainly find it commendable that you emphasize the desirability of these purchases, you really need to be more explicit about style choices and especially colors.  You make them sound so utilitarian!  This statement

"...in the first place, I put for a general inclination of all womankind, a perpetual and restless desire of beauty after power, that ceaseth only in death.

"While we understand the tenor of this passage. it lacks the positive message that we wish to go with our products.  Can you re-write it in a more positive way?  And this one:

"The source of every fashion crime, is some defect of the understanding; or some error in reasoning; or some sudden force of the passions."

"We must caution against it, since it suggests that our clientile be more cautious rather than daring in their consumer behavior.  Our profit is based on encouraging daringness in our customers.

"Don't get me wrong, Mr. Hobbes; we are encouraged by your ideas, but feel that they need to be tinkered with a bit further in our marketing campaign."

 

 



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From: banana oilSent: 2/19/2003 1:10 AM
He looked disappointed. 

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From: UbergĂ toSent: 2/19/2003 3:14 AM
    Heh..... PopTart that was very clever...I am sure the goodman Thomas Hobbes is now spinning in his philosophical grave. First Leviathan and then underwear ads...good he had something to fall back on  :>)

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From: MuffinSent: 2/19/2003 3:54 AM
Ubergato, because of the efforts of Bill Watterson, both Thomas Hobbes and John Calvin are already rotating post-mortem.

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From: UbergĂ toSent: 2/19/2003 4:53 AM
     Heh....good one Muffin...:>)   For those who don't remember, Bill Watterson is the creator of the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes :>)

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From: superdupermanSent: 2/19/2003 8:54 AM
Can I try. I think I'm better with Calvin & Hobbes

Somehow, I don't think this is going to make it into Babbett's Secret catalog, either:


For the laws of nature governing fashionable lingerie (that is to say, modesty, equity, justice, mercy) in sum, without the terror of some power to cause them to be observed, are contrary to our natural passions, that carry us to partiality, slinkiness, sheerness, low low cut, and the like.

I can't believe I stayed up until almost 4am for this. LOL

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From: ^Bubbles^Sent: 2/19/2003 4:38 PM
Sorry EPT, but who is Thomas Hobbes? And the other guys?

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From: superdupermanSent: 2/19/2003 5:56 PM
"Leisure and Lingerie are the mothers of Philosophy"

No, that doesn't make sense.

"Leisure is the mother of Philosophy and Lingerie is the step-mother."



This is very difficult, EPT. How do you make it look so easy?

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From: eViL pOp TaRtSent: 2/19/2003 9:21 PM
Bubbles, Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) was an English philosopher and political philosopher.  He was known for his pessimistic view of human nature, and his views on the neccessity of government:  without government "the life of man becomes solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."  Government is what people submit to out of necessity, in order to reap the benefits of civilization.
 
John Calvin, mentioned by Muffin, was a religious leader at the time of the Reformation.  Bill Watterson used both Thomas Hobbes and John Calvin to come up with the names of his irrepressible Calvin and Hobbes.  Calvin and Hobbes was one of the delights of my childhood, and was the best comic in the Times-Picyaune during its time. 
 
Neither the original Thomas Hobbes nor John Calvin would have found the prospect of writing bra ads to be funny.  I was trying for total absurdity. 

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From: Bad DogSent: 2/20/2003 1:49 AM
Thomas Hobbes might have liked the models, though!

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From: bewilderedSent: 2/20/2003 2:41 PM
Having a job like writing for V.S.'s catalogue might have sweetened his disposition.  And would have made him more of a royalist.

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From: DoodleDanDSent: 2/20/2003 3:15 PM
     But let's face it . If they would have had a Victoria's Secret catalogue back at that time . They wore so much that Victoria's secret would have remained a secret. LOL
    It was the men who ran around in tights. Of coarse this led many to believe that the tights were why some of the fellows that gathered in Sherwood Forest were labeled " Merry Men"

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From: UbergĂ toSent: 2/20/2003 10:18 PM
(starts singing....We're Men! We're Men in Tights...aka Mel Brook's Movie )

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