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| Hi there, Iam trying to find info on Mary Jane McDermott's parents and siblings. Info I have.. Mary Jane was born in 1846 in Dungallan Ireland to Sarah ?? and James McDermott. Mary Jane married Charles Edward King (born1848 Rostrevor) in May 1870 in Rostrevor County Down before immigrating to Australia. Would appreciate any help in tracing her parents or siblings. Thank you for this great site Regards Henriettac | |
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Hi Teri, Thank you for the info on James and Mary McDermott. Will keep it in case. You never know it may well be them. It would be interesting to know where the name Dungallan came from wouldnt it? Mary and Charles' childrens names were Mary Jane, James William, Patrick, Sarah Anne, Charles, Elizabeth and Florence. Did the Irish have a tradition in naming children like the Scottish? Thanks for you help Teri. It is very much appreciated. Regards Henrietta |
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| | From:  Teri48 | Sent: 4/7/2008 2:03 PM |
Hi Henrietta One of our managers Marian wondered if it was actually Dungall which is a small townland in Co Antrim, or Dungannon, a town in Co Tyrone. There's also a townland called Drumgallen in Co Tyrone as well. Because of this I'm checking out counties Antrim and Tyrone as well. So far I have found quite a number of James McDermott's in Co Tyrone but have yet to find marriages and births. I suppose it is possible that the family moved from another county to County Down. As for the naming pattern, I would say yes, it was very similar to the scots. When you have little other than the immediate family it's a good theory to try when trying to find parents, brothers, sisters etc. I'll get back to you if anything more definite turns up. Cheers Teri |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/7/2008 2:11 PM |
Henrietta, Hi again In the search for Dungallan, Mike, our manager found this: Dungallan House Hotel Gallanach Road, Oban, Argyll, PA34 4PD Argyll is a county in Scotland so I'll search the scottish records too. Teri
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/7/2008 3:53 PM |
Hi Henrietta Turned up nothing with the Scottish search. Back in Ireland the only James married to a Sarah that I have found so far is: 11 October 1852 James McDermott to Sarah Loughlin St Patrick's Church of Ireland , Ballymacarrat, Knockbreda Parish, Belfast District, Co Down. James is father is given as Patrick McDermitt and Sarah's as William Loughlin. The witnesses were Charles Hatton and James Roseman. However, I would think we're looking at a date earlier than 1852 Cheers Teri |
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Hi there Teri, Iam sorry the info I have is so unclear. Any of the 3 name you have given could be taken as sounding like Dungallan couldn't they? From the immigration list on the net Mary was 20 when she came to Australia on board "Flying Cloud" in 1870 which would make her born about 1850. Is it very hard to get a marriage certificate from Ireland for 1870 and would it have Mary Janes mother and father or just her father? Thanks for all you continued help Teri. Regards Henrietta |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/9/2008 8:26 PM |
Hi Henrietta This is a transcript of exactly what it says on Charles and Mary Jane's marriage certificate: You could get a certificate if you wished but it would not give any further information. In Ireland the only certificate that gives the mother's name is the birth certificate. Death certificates are worse, they just give the name of the person who has died. As Mary Jane was born before civil registration began in 1864 it means there is no birth certificate available. What we are trying to find is a parish record of her baptism but so far I've had no luck. I will keep looking though. You'll notice that for age for Mary Jane it says FA. This stands for Full Age which means 21 or over. Usually no age is given. If under 21 it usually has M for Minor. We can rule out any Scottish link. I was at the records office in Scotland today and can say they were definitely not here. Dont give up. I havent exhausted all avenues yet! Teri |
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Hi there Teri, WOW that is great. Thank you very much for the marriage transcription. It is much more than I ever expected to get. Does that help in finding where Mary Jane may have come from.? It the Newtown they mention in the certificate in Cork? Not knowing much about Ireland I am just going by what I can find on the net. Cork seems a long way from Rostrevor? Thanks again Teri Regards Henrietta |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/10/2008 6:54 PM |
Hi Henrietta There are lots of Newtowns in Ireland but I'm pleased to say there is one in Co Down, in the same parish as Rostrevor, Kilbroney Parish. I think it is either part of Rostrevor or very close to it especially since the marriage took place in Rostrevor Roman Catholic church. I'll try to find out more detail. I just cant understand how I'm not finding a birth record as the Ulster Historical Foundation have transcribed most of the Co Down records. I'll do a check to see what date parish birth records exist for Rostrevor and surrounding area. I think it might also be worth looking a bit further at the 2 witnesses, to see if they are connected in any way to Patrick and Mary Jane. Cheers Teri |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/10/2008 6:59 PM |
Hi again Henrietta It says that Ulster Historical Foundation have transcribed the roman catholic births from 1808 to 1900 so it looks like Mary Jane must have been born in another parish but I will check their records again to make sure. I had no difficulty getting Patrick's birth details so he's always been in that parish. I'll let you know what I find. Cheers Teri |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/10/2008 8:17 PM |
Henrietta, Hi I've now checked the records that are available for all the parishes in Co Down and gound that there are 4 parishes where no records were kept until the 1850s. This could well be the reason I'm having difficulty find Mary Jane's birth record and James's marriage. Also, there is one parish near Kilbroney parish whose records have not been transcribed by Ulster Historical Foundation. This is Drumgath Parish. Do you have an LDS family history centre near you? I ask this because LDS have transcribed the records for Drumgath parish and can order the microfiche in for you. It has births from 1829 to 1880 and marriages from 1837 to 1880. It would be worth checking in case that's where the McDermott's were before moving into Kilbroney Parish. Cheers Teri |
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Hi there Terri, THANK YOU for your continued help. Sorry I dont live anywhere near a LDS family history centre(nearest 600km away). I will see if I can find someone who may be able to go and have a look for me. As you say it could well be there. Regards Henrietta |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/12/2008 8:23 AM |
Hi Henrietta I do have an LDS centre near me, but it is difficult to get a booking as there is seldom anyone there to answer phones. However, I will try and if successful will order the film in and go through it. This may take some time so please bear with me. I'll let you know how it goes. Cheers Teri |
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Hi there Terri, Thank you for that. I will just wait and see what happens. Thanks again Regards Henrietta |
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| | | From: Teri48 | Sent: 4/20/2008 9:06 PM |
Hi Henrietta I thought you might like to have a look at the Clan McDermot website. You never know what it might throw up. Teri |
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Hi there Teri, Thanks for the site on McDermots. Will certainly check it out. Kind regards, Henrietta |
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