Hi Mandy

I  think it is possible that David may have listed his parents on the family gravestone.  It has been known here to list the names of family members who have emigrated and died elsewhere.  There are also gravestones erected here many years after family members actual deaths by children who emigrated.

 

I was wondering if it would be worth your while emailing the presbyterian churches in Belfast to see if any have records of David and Sarah's marriage since we know the date, and if so enquiring if they have baptismal records for them as well. Only trouble is, there are rather a lot of Presbyterian churches in Belfast.  If you feel you would want to do that I can look them up and send you their details.

Cheers

Teri

Hi Teri,

If you could send me the church information, I will certainly e-mail or "snail mail" them.  Is there a central Belfast Presbyterian Church Archive or does each individual church keep there own records?  I know in Canada (where I live) the older records are still retained at the church level. 

Where would the Civil Registration Registers be held - Registrar General (Oxford House)? Would they be able to give me any other information ie) parents' names, home address, etc. other than what is already known?

Would the Registrar General have info on baptisms as well.

Sorry, I seem to be asking a lot of questions!

Cheers, Mandy

Hi Mandy

The Public records office in Belfast have copies of most of the Presbyterian church records  http://www.proni.gov.uk/   but they will not look them up for you. Someone has to go in person to search.

 

The registration office in Belfast http://www.groni.gov.uk/ will have a record of David and Sarah's marriage as civil registration for all marriages except roman catholic began in 1845.  The records will give the names of bride and groom, their occupations, their father's names and addresses.  They dont usually give an exact age but have M for minor if under 21 and FA for full age if 21 or over.   As birth and death registration and catholic marriages did not start till 1864 only the church birth or baptism records.

 

Do you know what Sarah's father's name was?  This might help me with further searching. 

I'll find the email addresses for as many of the Belfast churches I can and get them to you as soon as possible.  One presbyterian church - Rosemary Street has online records but I've checked them out and their not there.

Cheers

Teri

Hi Terri,

Sorry, I don't know Sarah's father's name.  I am assuming that the Marcy Allen listed on the 1881 CDN Census, is Sarah's mother.  Marcy Allen was 79 in the 1881 CDN Census, born in Ireland in 1802, and listed as Widowed.  Again, religion listed as Presbyterian.

As Sarah's last name on the Civil Registration was Allen, I guessed that Marcy Allen was her mother.  She would have been about 27 years of age when Sarah was born.

I know that one shouldn't assume anything, but it does make sense.  Marcy Allen is not listed on either the 1861 or 1871 CDN Census'. so she may have come to Canada after being widowed in Ireland. 

Cheers, Mandy

Hi Mandy

Here is Part 1 of  Belfast Presbyterian Church websites - I told you there were a lot!!

 

http://www.alexandrapresbyterian.org.uk/

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http://www.bloomfieldpresbyterian.org/

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http://www.carnmoney.org/home_page.php

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http://www.cookecentenary.co.uk/

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http://www.dundonaldpc.com/

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http://www.fisherwick.net/

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http://www.fitzroy.org.uk/

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http://www.garnerville.org/

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http://www.knockpresbyterian.co.uk/

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http://www.loweonline.org/

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http://www.mcquistonpc.org/

Churches Part 2

 

http://www.maystreetchurch.co.uk/

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/newingtonchurch/

http://www.newtownbreda.org/

http://www.orangefield.org.uk/home.asp

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ravenhill/index.htm

http://www.srpc.org.uk/Site/Welcome.html

http://www.strandpresbyterian.org.uk/

http://www.ulsterville.org/

http://www.woodvalepresbyterianchurch.com/

http://www.whpci.org/Site%202/index.html

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Not online:

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Abbots Cross Presbyterian Church

Dough Road

Newtownabbey,

Co Antrim

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Unable to find address details of Castlereagh Presbyterian Church of Westbourne Presbyterian Church.

Teri

Hi Mandy

I've found one record for a marriage for a James McConaghey to a Mary BUT they are both Roman Catholic:

 

16th Mary 1829, James McConaghey to Mary McCullion of Beauconnell in Shankill Roman Catholic Church, Craigavon, Co Down.  Witnesses: Michael McConaghey and Pat McLindon.

 

No ages or occupations given and only the fathers' surnames.  However, given the religion I dont suppose it's the right one!

Teri

 

 

Hi Teri,

Thanks for all the info.  I am having a LookUp done at PRONI for David and Sarah's marriage registration.  That may give me some more information to include when I contact the various Presbyterian churches.

Cheers, Mandy

Hi Mandy

Let me know how you get on. I do hope you get the information you need to move this along.

Cheers

Teri

Hi Amanda At Present Teris Com is Down so Im trying to help.

in proni i found 3 James Allen That may fit the Time period.

 

Surname of freeholder: Allen
Forename(s) of freeholder: James
Address of freeholder (townland or street): Lisnanevenagh Maghrabeg
Occupation of freeholder:  
Religion:  
Name of landlord:  
Address of landlord:  
County: Antrim
Parish:  

 

Surname of freeholder: Allen
Forename(s) of freeholder: James
Address of freeholder (townland or street): Ann Street Antrim
Occupation of freeholder: Painter & Glazier
Religion:  
Name of landlord:  
Address of landlord:  
County: Antrim
Parish:  
Date of registry: 1835

Result 34 - Details Surname of freeholder: Allen
Forename(s) of freeholder: James
Address of freeholder (townland or street): Orrs Entry
Occupation of freeholder: Tailor
Religion:  
Name of landlord:  
Address of landlord:  
County: Antrim
Parish:  
Date of registry: 1837
Candidates Y

 

This James Allen was registered 4 times in 4 years

 

 

Result 65 - Details Surname of freeholder: Callender
Forename(s) of freeholder: James
Address of freeholder (townland or street): Mill Street
Occupation of freeholder: Publican
Religion:  
Name of landlord:  
Address of landlord:  
County: Antrim
Parish:  
Date of registry: 1832

 

These may not help Amanda But gives us Areas In Antrim

 

Mike

Amanda in the Olive Tree Genealogy I fond the following Not sure if linked

 

Mike

 

194 -- McConaghy 21 Male Farmer

Ship Asia Londonderry, N. Ireland to Philadelphia 1832

 

Robert SPEAR of Dummer, Isabella ALLEN of Duro [Douro], by banns, Witnesses: John JAMESON, John RICHEY, March 10, 1846

Marriages in Colbourne District Ontario 1846

McConaghy Jane   Moville
J J Cooke Ships Passenger List of Ship Superior, Ireland to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1852 Second Trip

 

 

Hi Amanda,I noticed it but as i said was unsure,Thanks for letting me Know

 

Mike

 

 

Hi Amanda I can see how confusing with the Allen part.Hopefully Teri,Will be back on line soon,And we may be able to get more info.

I see you are waiting on Proni.Hopefully they Will have the Docs you Require.We will carry on Running searches.Hopefully we can dig up something

 

Mike