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From: pinkybaby73  (Original Message)Sent: 10/22/2002 3:45 AM
hi this is pinky i too have gone to london,england loved it but it was over crowded,smelly at first i coudn't figure out what the smell was but my mother told me it was the smell of the pollution.so does anybody else have any thoughts on this.yours truly erin.


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From: EddySent: 10/22/2002 7:59 PM
You're quite right Pinky, it is the pollution, plus too many cars and people all packed into too small a place. It's great to visit, but better to leave.

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From: MSN NicknameDarkLadySmiles1Sent: 10/22/2002 8:34 PM
I agree, London is polluted and overcrowded, but even so I can't be dissuaded! Buckingham Palace, Parliament Buildings, Tower of London, Traitor's Gate, Tower Green, London Bridge, St. Paul's, Thames Embankment etc. etc. Every time I visit im enchanted and look forward to my next visit!

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From: ForeverAmberSent: 10/27/2002 4:02 PM
Pinky, I am jealously curious as to what sights you took in on your visit to London.  Did you go to all the places Dee mentions having visited?  Was your first stop Tower Green because of Jane?

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From: hythlodaySent: 11/24/2003 2:36 AM
i have never smelled anything in london but maybe i got used to it having an english boyfriend! ha!  just kidding.  on my first visit we went directly from seattle to heathrow to the tower.  couldn't stop!

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From: judymarSent: 11/24/2003 3:51 AM
London is one of the best cities in the world as far as I am concerned, and I have been lucky enough to get there quite often in the last few years. My last trip there, I stayed in the Bayswater area, just a few blocks from where I usually like to stay at the Plaza on Hyde Park Hotel. That was in June, and I came home so disillusioned with the whole city that I swore I never would return. I felt like I was in Asia or eastern Europe instead of London. What happened?? My last visit was the previous year and I don't remember as much diversity as I saw this year. I don't remember any special odor, but living outside Chicago I am use to big city smells so wouldn't know the difference. I am now directing my travels to the north. Next June I am going up to the York and Manchester area. I use to love going to London and just doing city walks and site seeing. I have been to all the sites in the city and had just started branching out on day trips by bus and train. I spent a lovely day in St. Albans on this last visit as well as getting down to the southeast in Kent. Such lovely little "smuggler" towns. One of my highlights was going to Broadstairs and visiting Dickens  Bleak House. I will always think of England as my favorite travel destination, just not mainly London in the future. Its just not British enough for me! I saw a sign when I first arrived that said something on the order of "Great Britain, a nation of Foreigners", silly me, I was thinking of Romans, Anglo-Saxons and Normans, not what I found on this trip. Judy

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From: hythlodaySent: 11/24/2003 7:34 AM
man, i must be the only one who loves london!  however, i did spend two weeks in scotland this summer and i must say that it is truely this country that has stolen my heart!  i love the small feel of edinburgh, not much of a big city.  i also spent a lot of time on the boarder and its  just lovely!  while we were in loch rannoch, i did also get to see cawdor castle and as we got there after closing and irreverently hopped the gate, it was soooo cool to see this haunting castle lit only by ground floodlights!  it made for some good pictures!

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From: MSN NicknameAlcar_ElenwenSent: 11/24/2003 7:35 AM
I love london as welL!I spent a few days there like ten years ago and loved
it!Edinburgh is my city of choice tho!


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From: simonSent: 11/24/2003 9:35 AM
I live in London and i love it! The beauty of living in London is its cultural diversity. It has always been a 'melting-pot' of different cultures and peoples from time immemorial. 
why is it like Asia and Eastern Europe??????? Anyway what does British means to you and what is it  anyway? eating roast beef, wearing bowler hats and being reserved????
For me the problem for British towns  is that they are all becoming the same. Shopping malls have been built everywhere, so that medieval town centres have been changed beyond recognition and all with exactly the same shops! As for pollution, we have to blame the automobile. Unlike American cities, British towns developed before the advent of the car and where do these influences come from?

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From: hythlodaySent: 11/25/2003 12:03 AM
i also don't understand the reference to eastern europe but that just may be an experience someone had.  as for being english, i have to live it firsthand!  my boyfriend is english (only been here about nine months in the states) and his definately is reserved, though in a different way.  we can talk about anything and he's quite the jokester but he is reserved in his dealings with himself if that makes any sense!  he also certainly has the english tendency to understatement!  but i love it.  its not as different to me as other cultures may be but living with an englishman has certainly showed me that there are more differences than i thought! 
 
autumn

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From: judymarSent: 11/25/2003 9:59 AM
Autumn,
Eastern Europeans, that is the refugees that have poured into the UK in the last few years. I think sometimes they are just referred to as Russians. As I said, it was hard to find a true Brit in London when I was there in June. I do believe in diversity, but think the UK is becoming like the US along those lines, and going overboard with the open borders to one and all! Judy

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From: hythlodaySent: 11/26/2003 8:46 AM
i live in a town in washington state that has a huge population of eastern europeans and i love it!  i am learning serbo-croatian right now and even recieved a croatian valentine last year!  i guess my opinion would be biased but an "eastern european london" would make me feel at home!  i just wish we could open our borders wider!
 
autumn

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From: Johnny D'VilSent: 12/13/2003 8:46 PM
I love London as well!! Coming from the Midwestern US, where nothing is
older than 150 years, England and Scotland are a treasure! I spent 6 months
in Northumberland and took many trips to London. It's metropolitan and
historic and modern all at the same time. I haven't been there in over a
decade, and I'm saddened to learn that shopping malls etc. have turned the
country into a bland landscape of sameness. But I can't imagine that this
country I have loved ever since I first watched Dr.Who and Upstairs
Downstairs (amongst many others) has turned into one giant Midwestern
suburb!

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From: MSN NicknamenmnursernSent: 12/14/2003 7:08 PM
Having been born in NYC and lived in London, London smells no worse than any other major huge US City,  like LA, Detroit, Chicago etc....

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From: hythlodaySent: 12/15/2003 2:15 AM
i prevaricate between london and edinbugh!

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From: hythlodaySent: 2/16/2004 3:38 AM
johnny,
 
i had this discussion with dave (that english beau of mine..!) about english "suburbia" and I think he mostly agrees with you.  I don't  have much of a reference point, having only gone to england once so far (we plan to go yearly however, going again in july!)  I think though that the time i spent in scotland was wonderful!  it doesn't seem to be much touched by this phenomenon.  true, i spent most of my time in the highlands and the wilder section of border lands but the time I spent in other areas seems to have shown me that maybe scotland is escaping this trend?  i guess time will tell!

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