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I am making the following reposts in the good faith that Praxeas, the author of the compositions, will not mind me exercising the liberty of circulating his material and objective criticisms here, in Full Bible Truth Group. I believe I have much to learn from this mysterious man and I feel that I have need to be taught of him more than he has need to be taught of anyone here, or in the group from whence I extracted his communications.

I have tried to communicate with Praxeas before, but I find that he is most elusive at times. When he posts, he terminates his own membership after he is finished, it seems, and given the nature of the discussion group where he posts, I can hardly blame him. He leaves no e-mail address and appears to be well guarded. His work is nothing short of brilliant, objective, thorough, and diligent. His approach speaks to the shame of most of his readers, I suspect, as he is so calm and contained, temperate, and well mannered every time he posts. I confess that I wish I could be more like him and it is an encouragement to see that there are still men in the world like Praxeas. He is certainly welcome here, in Full Bible Truth. It is always a pleasure to read his material.

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From: First Lady Sent: 11/10/2007 12:32 AM

Just stay out of all of 'Lisa's' groups and you will never hear from 'her' again. 'Lisa' has better things to do with her time than to waste it on people that curse and don't want to live right.

Now keep up your slander and lies. You will be the one that will have to pay the price. No one else.

Satan is in rebellion against God and truth. His goal is to corrupt the spirits of men; to turn them into evil spirits to use in his war against God and His children! If you are unwilling to accept truth, then you are allowing the demonic spirits to completely take you over. You made a choice and now you are reaping already.

Do you not believe that there is a REASON why God told you to do certain things? Those who refuse the love of God hate him and are part of a battle to fight against Him and his children! A battle that is already lost, mind you, but Satan and his demons have already made up their mind. It is you who had a choice, and you are on the losing side because you are unwilling to acknowledge truth.

So understand that if you are a rebel against God, he will deal with you as such. Penalty? Death in the lake of fire! It is a fate fitting for a traitor.

Ask yourself why a just God WOULD NOT punish evil and evildoers after giving them a chance to renounce evil and change their ways. Can’t come up with anything, can you? Ask yourself why an all �?powerful God WOULD NOT destroy a rebellion against HIM.

Have a nice morning.

Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all. He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate. Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

They do verily cast out the truth from among them, even as they cast out Praxeas. Whenever they cannot endure sound doctrine... whenever they have lost miserably in their failure to attain to the fullness of the truth... whenever their shortcomings are exposed for what they are... they cast out the truth from among them; but I am continually faithful that my LORD will deliver me out of the hand of mine enemies. I know that HE ALONE is able to lift me up without fail each and every time.

JESUS, the Only Wise God, is able to do this and more. Watch them cast out the Word of Truth from among them yet again, my friend, in their glorified social club which already wavers under the shadow of judgment. What I come against is one of the few Roman Catholic strongholds left before the Great Harlot is devoured by the kings.

Watch and learn. They come to me with threats and already they do curse me. Their own words bewray their hearts before my LORD and Maker; but I am able to withstand their pontification and clever attacks. That is the reason I am always cast out. These cannot truly endure sound doctrine as the love of the TRUTH is not in them. So do they point the finger to pontificate and lie, and say that I slander, yet are unable to produce one shred of evidence.

First Lady bears false witness against me. May the LORD JESUS bear witness of this, and may that PRETENDER be convicted to their soul that they might repent of their false accusation. Threats will not subdue me. Hacking my account will not silence me. JESUS is able to lift me up in each and every case. My LORD has smiled upon me. HE has blessed me with this ministry and the gates of hell cannot prevail against it. I know that JEZEBEL is losing. The flesh struggles the hardest when it knows it has met its final destiny. The PRETENDER to the First Lady has lost the battle and the war.

Thankyou for your contributions and may JESUS, the Only Wise God continue to bless you in the knowledge of FULL BIBLE TRUTH.

Watch them cast out the Word of Truth from among them yet again, my friend, in their glorified social club which already wavers under the shadow of judgment. What I come against is one of the few Roman Catholic strongholds left before the Great Harlot is devoured by the kings. - JT

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

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Yeshuwahs

Please permit me the liberty of commending you on your prudence and insight with respect to this topic. I have read many of your posts in other group(s) and I know that you are very thorough in your knowledge, not given to conjecture and fabrication. It is an honor to communicate with you.

For the record, and as my good conscience would dictate, I do indeed have two wives. It was certainly not something that I planned in my 22 years of marriage, and, it was not something I lusted for; it is my circumstances that have made me what I am, and I readily admit that I am an husband of "two wives" of my own volition and that I am indeed so with the prior blessing of the wife of my youth.

The reason I bring my personal life into this is because I feel that it is better that I remain transparent in this respect, instead of accusers approaching me later, to imply that I am trying to "hide something" or, for others who might even be more malicious, to discredit my speech and my reputation. Most of all, I would have done my brother or sister a great disservice if I had exercised closure and then suffered them to discover this truth about me on their own.

When John the baptist came preaching the Kingdom of GOD they said he had a devil. When Jesus ate and drank with the sinners and publicans they called him a glutton and a wine bibber. It matters not what a man of GOD does; in the eyes of his accusers, he is already condemned. How much more would they condemn a Godly man? (I speak of the Messiah.)

For this transparency and honesty, some have called me a "braggart", as though I would think myself to have advantage over my brother or sister in the LORD for having what GOD called "two wives". I do not. Neither do I suggest that only one wife is better. If anything, Paul suggested that celibacy was best of all; yet in the same breath he stated, "but every man hath his proper Gift of God". A man who finds a wife, finds a good thing. I am not of the persuasion that this is something that can only happen once in a lifetime for all men; but I most certainly believe that a wife can be a proper gift of GOD. All good things come from HIM and only GOD can give any marriage advantage over others, whether it be monogamous or otherwise. I think it is good to get perspective from all parties, from all walks of life, unmarried, celibate, and married alike. For what it's worth, I would like to chip in my "two cents" since I am, to use the New Age term, a polygynist. (My comments in this blue font.)

Yeshuwahs sir, Your question is a good one. The only answer I can give is Jesus said it was not so in the beginning for he created one man and one woman.

Messiah was not speaking of multiple marriage, though. He was speaking of divorce in that passage. Polygyny eliminates divorce, imo.

Genuine, biblical, polygyny certainly DOES eliminate divorcement in most cases, I should think; but I am inclined to believe that it cannot eliminate divorce in all cases, should one of the parties involved in such an union resolve to attain to a biblical divorcement. Caesar has laboured to confound us all to believe that the writ from the hand of Rome is a "biblical divorcement" and this is not quite the case. The idea of a divorce is "unthinkable" for my wives and I refrain from the mere mention of it to them now (after having been the husband of "two wives" for five years) because it upsets them both to even attempt to discuss the matter lightly. I certainly have no intentions of obtaining a divorcement; but I do tend to like to confront issues before they arise to 'head them off at the pass' so-to-speak. My wives are precious to me and the thought of divorcing either one of them greatly saddens me. I pray that it never happens and my confidence is in GOD.

When we examine all the scripture in the New Testament, in full context, we learn that Messiah was certainly addressing this matter of putting away and divorcement. It was in fact, the opening question that the Pharisees asked Messiah: "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:3 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. Mark 10:2 Nonetheless, if we are to take the words, "In the beginning it was not so", to extend them beyond what Christ Jesus, the Messiah, stated in addressing the putting away of wives, then let's fill the cup to the brim: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. Are we to believe then, that the ultimate goal in our walk with Messiah is to return to the void and darkness? For surely in the beginning there was no divorce and no putting away. What does being the husband of only one wife have to do with this?

A: Absolutely nothing. In the beginning the Holy Ghost was not yet given to man and many other things were not granted to him because, after all, it was only in the beginning. Just how far back to the beginning would we like to go with this? Shall we go back to the time when the Adam ran about naked with the animals? Is this our new goal? I think not. It is neither a strong argument, nor a good one, with respect to what GOD has called "two wives"; but it is a very good argument for silencing those Pharisees who were trying to trap Messiah even as John the Baptist's words were used against him to have him beheaded! For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife. Mark 6:18

Do the others sin if they have more than one wife? My only answer is God does not change. If his people had more than one wife and he did not count it against them, then he would not be a just God if he counted it against anyone today.

I agree. I do see God doing more than just not counting it against someone. Have you read this?

Deuteronomy 21:15 [KJV] If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.

Here God is making rules for polygyny.

Amen.

2 Samuel 12:7 [KJV] And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

Amen.

Here God is saying, through Nathan, that God Himself gave the wives of Saul to David. How could God actually participate in polygyny if He considered it sinful?

... and good question.

I have only one wife and planning on keeping her until one of us dies. It never cross my mind to get another one or to want another one. Anyhow if we study the OT we see there were problems with more than one wife.

Amen. And we see EQUALLY that there were just as many problems with only one wife. The Apostle Paul stated that such would have trouble in the flesh and he spoke truly. Man has always traded old problems for new problems, but the days of man are full of misery. The key to making any marriage at all prosperous is to put GOD first; but a vengeful or hateful spouse will do all in their power to make their partner miserable despite the good servant's effort to serve the LORD. Wherefore it is written: But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. Amen?

I have no desire for more than my one wife, as well. But, I see polygynists persecuted a lot for doing what God likes, i.e. marrying more wives rather than divorcing any of them.

A resounding "amen" to that! Which is worse? Obeying the scripture as it is written in Deuteronomy 21:15, OR: casting out (putting away) an "hated" wife upon the mercy of secular government and/or leaving children destitute and/or open to the abuses of an unlawful husband, or worse? Even better to love your wives and to honor them according to the word of GOD, I should think. Of course most women in North America would be offended by the above statement. They want to have the upper hand. They can't BOTH have the upper hand so they now have the rule over the household in most cases, in North America, and women and children rule over men.

Look at the mess our Nations are in! How long will we cast a blind eye to what is going on? When will we embrace the prophecy written in Isaiah 4? Surely GOD does not lie. One way or another it will come: Shall we wait until nearly every God-fearing male is practically perished from the face of the earth to the tune of one man to seven lewd women, or do we wake up and smell the COFFEE and take responsibility for our own. I submit that if one were to count the number of women already willfully taking hold of ONE MAN today and average it all out, the results should be rather interesting, to say the very least, I should think. Isn't this really what is already going on? "... only let us be called ", and yes, once she has his name and his children, she simply moves on to her next victim, eats, wipes her mouth, and says, ... What does she say again? Someone help me out here. Sometimes I have a problem remembering what she says. Thanks be to GOD for wives who love the LORD!

Yet we read that GOD acknowledges even a wife who is hated (may our LORD have mercy on our souls) must still be honored according to HIS command and not according to the hardness of the heart. Now I think this is very important. Either gender could suffer from hardness of heart. I believe that the reason for the law of divorcement (GOD's law) hinges upon something most women today do not want men to know about GOD's law. Truth be told, it also takes away a hateful woman's ability to manipulate a man beyond what he is able to tolerate and it demands that the husband assumes full responsibility for his choice as the head of the house. Deuteronomy 21 is a good law. All good things come from GOD; but for the moment I will spare the reader my reasons for saying this: The fact that women are four times more likely than men in North America to put away their husbands speaks volumes all on its own.

Malachi 2:14 [KJV] Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously. Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

God declares men treacherous when they put away their first wife/wives in favor of a new one. How do you read it?

I read it the way you suggest that it is written. How can the LORD seek a godly seed among children who have been taught to despise, to disrespect, perhaps even to dishonor a mother or a father, or both? I think few here would disagree with me when I say that divorcement and putting away does incredible damage to the offspring of parents who make such compromising choices, in addition to ruined homes, lost blessings, broken hearts, and misery throughout. GOD hates putting away. Almost always a root of bitterness is engendered in the offspring. How does an hard-hearted father raise his children in the way that they should go if he's not even there for them? How can such an hard-hearted wife allow another man to step into her life and assume authority over the children she conceived in the covenant of her youth?

Such things were practically unheard of with respect to mothers in that day but in this day mothers are four times more likely to put away their husband than an husband is likely to put away his wife! When the good law was practiced as it is written, children stayed with the father (keeping them protected) even when a wife was granted her bill of divorcement in that day. One must bear in mind that in that day there was only one cause whereby a man could divorce his wife. (We would do well to return to that law.) Caesar has found a way to rob the husband of his heritage and his offspring through this mandated monogamy only myth. One cannot argue with the statistics: Cultures who do not have this custom of the wife putting away her husband at the hand of Caesar also boast (without exception) extremely low divorce rates compared to those cultures that enable the wife to manipulate a husband through fear and/or rob him of his heritage in what the scripture plainly refers to as "defraud". (1 Corinthians 7:5)

We know that this sort of thing rarely ever sees a good end and I can only be somewhat relieved in my heart to spare the reader the horrendous details and consequences of those who believed otherwise. Yet for the little children, they are all too often caught in the cross-fire having done nothing for the blame. I do not hate women in the least; although I have been accused of it just because I have two wives. Not once, during the entire course of my marriage to either of them have I taken strange flesh to fornicate and bring a reproach upon my dear wives. I do not commit the act of adultery and I know what adultery is. I have no such interest in the wives of other men. I am not nearly as pure as I should be, but I believe that refining never ceases while I am yet in this mortal body of flesh and blood. I love little children. Yesterday my little buddy (she's only four) God bless her soul, came from kindergarten to visit me. She needs a daddy but, my LORD, her mommy needs to repent! My little buddy took her caregiver, a dear friend of a good brother, by the hand and said, "C'mon let's go visit him". Well, I'll tell you, it just breaks my heart. Yup. JESUS came and visited me. I pray for that little girl, and I would ask that you pray for little Brooke also. I see so much of this sort of thing going on today. No, I don't hate women and I don't hate the little ones either; but I can surely see how that the need for good, decent, God-fearing mommies and daddies has placed North America in serious jeopardy for want of justice. Brooke is teaching many people what PURE RELIGION is all about. Thankyou for your contribution.

GOD bless you and your house in the knowledge of Full Bible Truth.

I’m deeply humbled by all of your kind words but I need to clarify my intentions. My only endeavor has been to defend the Word of God that has come under attack lately by people who have disgraced the Apostolic faith by propagating the blasphemous lie that claims the Bible is corrupt with false doctrine. They should be ashamed to call themselves Apostolic.

They not only think they’re better than all the polygamists in the Bible, and morally superior to every Christian that has been divorced and remarried, (despite the fact that polygamy has nothing to do with divorce and remarriage and the Bible allows God’s people to do both.) But they even think they’re morally superior to Moses and the Law of God itself, which is tantamount to the gainsaying of Core/Korah mentioned in Jude 1:1, which caused so many of God’s people to perish. Korah was a man who tried to get God’s people not to trust or believe Moses but to listen to him instead, just like those renegade Apostolics are doing.

But it’s never been my goal to defend polygamy as if it’s such a wonderful idea, because quite frankly I despise it. And as I’ve said before, I’ve never understood polygamists, especially modern day polygamists, which I admit is probably because of cultural bias. I just know that the Bible allows it regardless of what I think of the idea.

But with all the cyber-psychos out there pretending to be someone they’re not, it just doesn’t make sense to waste time discussing anyone’s personal business Online. So unlike those busybodies on another discussion board, I’m not going to act like I know anything about you. Because the only thing I really know for sure about you is that I can never know anything for sure about you, no matter how much of your personal information you post on the Internet.

And I honestly don’t know what your motives are. You may indeed be a man motivated by lust but I have no way of knowing one way or the other. Only God knows your heart. But I would never automatically assume that a man is motivated by lust simply because he claims to be a polygamist.

Anyone who believes that polygamy itself is the lust for many women would also have to believe that monogamy is the lust for one woman in order to stay consistent with their own line of reasoning. So while all those self-righteous antagonists on the other board think they’re getting away with judging everyone else’s motives, they’re inadvertently revealing what their own motives were for getting married.

When they take the liberty to prejudge others like that, they’re only indicting themselves as the kind of people whom Paul was speaking of when he said it is better for them to marry than to burn, which means they really had no choice in the matter. The obvious reason that they got married was because they couldn’t control their own desires and didn’t want to burn for it. And now they have a very low opinion of marriage in general because they think everyone else gets married for the same reason, which is just another one of their faulty assumptions based on their own idiosyncrasies. But the truth is, not everyone gets married because they can’t control their desires.

But even though it’s actually necessary for people like that to get married because of their uncontrollable desires, the Bible doesn’t say that it’s better to marry a second wife in order to avoid burning. So no one can claim that they had to marry a second wife if they’re still with their first one. When the Bible speaks specifically about multiple marriages, it never describes it as anything other than a free choice, not a necessity under any circumstance. The Law of God allows men to choose another wife only if they want to, not because their desires force them to. In the New Testament, men are given the choice between multiple marriages or the offices of deacon and bishop. But in any case, it’s just a choice.

But to paraphrase the Apostle Paul, everything that’s lawful isn’t necessarily expedient, which is another word for advisable. And it’s certainly not advisable to have multiple wives in today’s culture and run the risk of being sent to jail where you’ll be without a wife altogether, simply because the Law of God allowed those who lived in an entirely different culture to have multiple wives.

It’s only a matter of time before you’ll discover that God not only allows you to have multiple wives, but will also allow you to go to jail for it, which is what makes it extremely unadvisable to do that or anything else simply because God allows you to do it. But if that’s what you’ve purposed in your heart to do knowing full well that you’re going straight to jail when you get caught, then that’s your business. But like I said, I’d really rather not talk about someone’s personal business on the Internet because it’s just a colossal waste of time. I support everything in the Bible, but not everything that people decide to do with it.

God's culture never changes.

If one accepted your reasoning in this matter, then Paul was foolish for travelling to other parts of the world preaching the gospel, which eventually landed him in jail and caused him to lose his head.

But if that’s what you’ve purposed in your heart to do knowing full well that you’re going straight to jail when you get caught, then that’s your business.

I should think it is God's business for anyone who claims to believe in His Word to be willing to go to jail for it.

But like I said, I’d really rather not talk about someone’s personal business on the Internet because it’s just a colossal waste of time.

Too bad you don't practice what you preach.

I support everything in the Bible, but not everything that people decide to do with it.

What if the decision of what to do with it is God's? I don't like your tone. It shows a lack of godliness.

First Lady is a liar. See.. They are all liars.

They are all liars indeed who fail to embrace the WORD of GOD in fullness. As it is written in the volume of the BOOK:

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

You gave them pure, unadulterated, scripture and you were cast out from their presence for it even as Steven was also cast out of the congregation and stoned for the sake of the truth. They do always resist the Holy Ghost. Rather let it be a testimony that you were cast out because you gave them the truth directly from the pages of the the Holy Bible. Surely by now you know that these servants of sin do not love PURITY as they so pretend but only make pretense, accusing and excusing one another to practice apostolic popery among them.

You were brave and I am proud of you with a Godly pride and that is why I reposted this in your name, for all to read and learn the hypocricy of these Puritans. So for the sakes of our readers I repost your words, rather the words of our LORD and SAVIOUR, here in this place. GOD bless you, and know that I love you.

Folks, this is why Word_of_Truth�?/FONT> was cast out of the Discussion Forum. It was the only thing she ever posted there and she was cast out for it:

Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all. He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate. Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

AGAIN... She was thrown out of the DISCUSSION FORUM for stating these words. They do not honour the WORD of GOD and the PASTOR'S WIFE despises the truth!

I would also like to see the legal authentic marriage document and also where Canada allows 2 wives.

I provided some info, think it was here..where while the government doesn't say that 2 or more wives is legal...it says that this is not illegal.

I liked P.'s posts....

I miss Praxeas. Many sensible words were shared here by that person. As I stated before, we are not alone in this knowledge. It is not a sin for a man to have two wives though I hardly know how a man could endure more than four. I envision a society where all men are held accountable for each and every woman that they join with in the flesh. I know that this is a much higher standard than the paper standard that so many men and women hide behind today. I would urge all my brethren to lift up this Godly standard. The letter of the law cannot save them from past unions in the flesh and to suggest that the signing of a civil writ is what sanctifies a marriage borders on blasphemy. In effect the legal writ becomes an idol and a smoke-screen for those who would hide behind the unspoken lie; that is to say, that the marriage isn't genuine unless the civil writ is signed. This only encourages our youth to take license by the license �?in other words, resort to licentiousness.

If men and women were held accountable in marriage as GOD described it from the beginning there would certainly be a great deal less fornicating going on and I think most men would be more inclined to think twice before touching another man's wife (adultery). The civil writ of marriage has done nothing to make the integrity of those in marriage any stronger; but the fact that in less than six years after the Uniform Marriage and Marriage License Act was first introduced in the United States of America that separation and divorce became six times greater than before this licensing was introduced, is enough to convince me that this contract is of the devil. To quote pastor Matt Trewhella:

"Not long after these licenses were issued, some states began requiring all people who marry to obtain a marriage license. In 1923, the Federal Government established the Uniform Marriage and Marriage License Act (they later established the Uniform Marriage and Divorce Act). By 1929, every state in the Union had adopted marriage license laws."

I did a little research on my own after reading this statement of his and I assure you that pastor Trewhella is not nearly exaggerating, but actually spared many of the uglier and more horrendous details concerning this ACT. Unfortunately that particular information is tucked away on the hard drive of my old pc which is in storage now. If you have access to a BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY you can learn some of the finer points covering this particular secular government exploit of the people. In the meantime, have a look at this link. . .

I do not support same sex marriages..but with proposition 8, how can a government make something legal one day...then take it away again the next day? I am not seeing the 'marriage' as per se...I'm seeing the 'authority' that we have given other men.

How can this be...where something is made legal...all these people marry each other...then the government takes this away from them? As I have said, I do not and never will support a same sex marriage...but it concerns me...if the one's in authority can give and take back with this...where will this authority end?

It was wrong in the first place to allow these 'marriages' to take place...but it was allowed. In many ways, I do feel sad for the people who raced off to the altar, must be hard on them to now realize that the marriage is now invalid.

If the government has the power and authority to do this...then where does their authority stop? How far can this reach into the lives of others?

Aren't you glad JESUS doesn't operate like that? Aren't you glad that the Word of GOD is true and that His promises are sure? I sympathise with the same-sex marriage people only in the sense that they need JESUS. The bits and bytes that make their lives miserable would change if they got right with GOD. I'm addressing the cause �?not the symptom. Sure, I am sorry when horrible things happen to buggering child molestors, feces-loving sodomites, lesbians, sexual perverts, rapists and the like. Just because Farmer Brown has sex with his donkey doesn't mean he isn't a person. No, he needs JESUS. Farmer Brown and the rest of them are still people and it is more likely that they were also the victims of sex crimes themselves than not. It is one of the main avenues of demonic transference of generational spirits.

What people so often forget is that a Godless world is what produces these sorts of people. Many of them cut their teeth on the church pews and all they hear about is the horrors of hell while they are constantly bombarded with ridicule and cruel treatment from so-called Christians for being different. More often than not, their differences are not nearly from being "gay" or "lesbian" but rather because they were also formed in their mother's wombs to be something DIFFERENT and special however peculiar. Of course, this "conveniently" translates to "homo" in the mainstream mind set and after being ostracized enough times these unfortunate souls begin to believe the lie themselves. You can be rest assured that the devil is right there to help them along the rest of the way down the path of damnation. ALL THIS (and more). . . In the basements of the church Sunday schools.

How do I know this? I watched it happen to my cousin. I saw it happen to many friends and strangers also. It happened to me too, but produced a somewhat different, but no less evil result. I turned to drugs and alcohol for relief because peer pressure in the Church was too much for me to bear. Before we get JESUS we all deserve to burn and so do the gays and lesbians. No special rights there no special treatment. Ellen Degeneres and her cohort lean on the old "equality" cliche' that people are growing weary of hearing because they know better. What Ellen and her "special friend" really want are SPECIAL RIGHTS . . . ELITIST RIGHTS. . . And I would dare say FASCIST RIGHTS, because what she and many others, want is the right to REDEFINE what GOD and society have regarded as marriage against the will of the majority and against the Will of GOD. That isn't democracy and it sure isn't Godly. I don't care what these people want to call it, just as long as they don't REDEFINE what GOD called marriage. Sadly, the secular government has already done this and continues to redefine a once sacred institution between man and woman.

Melissa Etheridge also carries on about so-called "equal rights" for the homosexual. I have a message for Melissa: Melissa, you already HAVE THEM. You can marry a man too, just like every other red-blooded female in your nation. Lest it be said that I am a sexist, I would remind the gay men that they too have EQUAL RIGHTS with heterosexual men also. Yup, that's right. . . They too, can marry a member of the opposite sex if they so choose to exercise that right; for this is what defines marriage: the UNION of opposite genders to become ONE FLESH. It isn't marriage if there is no UNION of opposite genders involved.

Returning to your statement, Sandi, I do so sympathise with this confused, and wicked, and totally messed up world. The burden of this desperate world is too great for any to bear, save ONE. JESUS died on a cross as a man for this reason. Yet it is evident that lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, and pride of life continue to cloud the eyes of the carnally minded and cause them to fall backward into the pit.

I feel so sorry for anyone caught up in this lifestyle...or any lifestyle that is one that God would not endorse...how can they desire Jesus...if they want him completely..then change would be in order. It's just the way it is written..

Once you have Jesus in your life..these changes are not difficult..in fact...these changes will come upon you and it begins..where you focus more on Jesus and God and less and less on the ways of man...

I don't believe in attacking someone who is caught up in a homosexual relationship...I think they get attacked enough. But I have noticed this one very thing..these people are never happy, they are never content..they are very angry people inside. Their relationships are for the bigger part very short term...I don't know how they deal with the emotional anguish that they feel so often in their lives...

I have a friend who is gay..and I love him to death. And I always will. I don't have to embrace his lifestyle, nor do I have to like it...but I can sure love him. He is a very unhappy man...he mentioned this to me one time...how unhappy he was. I pray for people locked into this...that they can just seek God and accept change...

I am a little notorious for calling a spade a shovel. Everyone who comes to the Lord must be willing to sacrifice the old man of flesh and blood upon the altar of the Living GOD. I once had gay and lesbian friends also, but they quickly left me after I drew night to GOD. It was as though there was something about me that they could not bear to be around. I do not mind this. I understand that those we once considered friends will show their true colours when we embrace JESUS. The people we think are our friends all too often turn out to be people who are locked into parasitic relationships and co-dependancy. They are not real friends. The enemy uses such people to bring down the newly born and draw them back into bondage to sin and develop dependancy again to the things of the world. Many things I used to do, I do no more and why should it be any different for them that live in sin? The Bible says it is no different:

Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Corinthians 6:8-11)

Amen, sister. Such were some of us. Being gay was not what I was notorious for in my past, but drugs and lasciviousness, profane living, wickedness and covetousness were "old pals" of mine. JESUS changed all that and so much more. O, had I only truly known that His yoke is easy and His burden light! But the setting at nought (ROMANS 14:10) by false bretheren robbed me of my Liberty in the Lord and caused me to rebel in my heart against the church and all of it's lies. Wherefore I am become an Apostolic Aribiter today and JESUS is with me now. I pull down the strong holds in the name of JESUS and I will cast them into the pit with His blessing and by the Power of the Almighty One. That is why all those who come against me are downcast and made ashamed. Yea, even now they foam at the mouth in anger and rage against me even as the Pharisees of old! With great gnashing of teeth they do come against me to uphold their lies before me and are cast down. They do err, not knowing the scriptures, as they were taught by pastors who also lifted up the same lies before them.

Have you noticed, Zephyr, how many of these are silenced by the WORD OF TRUTH? Have you seen how the self-imagined Giantslayas durst not tread here? Have you witnessed how the self-right puritans cannot bear my admonishings or even heed what THUS SAITH THE LORD? Suffer me a little in my boastings. Without the Lord JESUS I have nothing. So far, not one of these, my accusers, convinceth me of sin. Not one of these is able to persuade me to believe their lies. How can they? There is no scripture available to them to support their outrageous claims and they are at a loss to defend their false doctrines that they say (not the LORD) are truth.

So many lies they have uttered! One of these false Oneness people told me that I would never see my beloved Hope and daughter again and now here they are here with me. She seemed to think that she had the spirit of prophecy and she called herself a prophetess. Now where is that liar today? I wonder. The one calling himself Enoch tried to persuade me of many things that were false. Where is he now? Likely spamming some other place with more lies. One told me that GOD would sorely punish me because I have two wives, but all I can see are the blessings of GOD still withstanding all these the relentless attacks of the EVIL ONE and their lies falling to the ground. Let them be anathema. I love the Lord. People wonder why the Mormons don't embrace the truth. Perhaps they should try embracing the truth themselves, FIRST, before telling the Mormons how to live.

I know one thing that keeps me sur

e of my salvation in the LORD: The fact that GOD doesn't lie. He doesn't vacilate either. He does not waver. If he called them TWO WIVES unto whom the WORD came and the scripture cannot be broken, then it is not a sin for a man to have two wives. Let the chips fall where they may. . . GOD cannot lie and GOD never once called "two wives" a sin.

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The MULTITUDE OF SCRIPTURES referring to TWO WIVES of ONE MAN do NOT in any case translate to "wife and whore", "wife and adulteress" or, "wife and divorcee" or, "abomination" or any such thing in reference to "two wives". LOOK THEM UP. The scripture means what it says and says what it means about the institution of marriage, which we know by the word of truth to be honourable in all even HONORING the marital status of "two wives" biblically, even honoring two wives who are joined unto one husband if they are indeed wives as they were called to be. Now if he called them wives, unto whom the word of GOD came, and the scripture cannot be broken, say ye also of them whom the Father hath sanctified and sanctioned, accursed because GOD hath said that the twain shall be one flesh? How then shall these "two wives", to whom the Word of GOD plainly recognized as wives, be called "adulteresses" if they are indeed "two wives"? If we are to read the scripture correctly, we must also read it plainly. Therefore if the scripture says that the condition of ONE FLESH even exists with TWO WIVES co-existing with one husband, because the scripture cannot be broken. In the HOLY BIBLE the term, "two wives" must refer to two wives indeed. It cannot be put any plainer: It is the condition of ONE FLESH existing precisely as it is written. Is there any further need of elaboration? If so, then pray for discernment because GOD cannot lie; for it is verily written in the volume of the book : Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. - Deuteronomy 4:2

TWO WIVES = TWO WIVES

Was Sarah an adulteress because she shared her husband, Abraham, with her handmaid, Hagar? Was his third wife, Keturah, also an adulteress? Were also all those wives of King David, unto whom the Lord our GOD added, adulteresses? Were the wives of Moses also adultresses? Did GOD Himself, also commit spiritual adultery because even He Who Is said that He had two wives? I speak as a man that you might know that these sayings are even false; for none of these have committed adultery as some have said; but if you would contend for a lie and also the father of it, then your thoughts are yet carnal, and ye do not discern the things of GOD, neither do ye discern the Mystery concerning Christ and the Church. Know ye not that ALL marriage is spiritual but not all marriage is sanctified?

Marriage is honourable in all.
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Jesus did not redefine anything in the law. The whole consistancy of the Bible would be lost. God/Jesus does not change. The God of the Old Testament has not changed from the God of the New Testament. Jesus is God the Father. Those men in the Old Testament with more than one wife were never considered adulterous so the definition of adultery would have to be "woman that breaketh wedlock" and still is in the New Testament. - Cat_che22
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Amen. And we know that God cannot lie. Therefore the question merits repeating: If he called them wives, unto whom the word of GOD came, and the scripture cannot be broken, say ye also of him whom the Father hath sanctified, "thou blasphemist", because GOD said that the twain shall be one flesh? How then shall these "two wives", to whom the Living Word hath recognized as "wives", then be called "adulteressess" if they are indeed "two wives"? Paul proved that the BRIDE could not be both a wife and an adulteress in Romans 7. Some overlook the fact that Christ Jesus, the son of man, was born and lived under the OLD COVENANT until his crucifixion and resurrection. The Neo-Pharisee church often leans upon the the licentious doctrine of legalism to justify itself by the premise that they are now living under the NEW COVENANT and therefore they say that the words of the OLD COVENANT JESUS don't apply to them; but JESUS didn't say anything of the sort. JESUS fulfilled the law. JESUS literally "filled up" the law. He is the same JESUS yesterday, to day, and forever! JESUS is the LORD of both the OLD and the NEW! JESUS establishes HIS LAW in our hearts even as we also establish the law in spirit and in truth; else, we are none of His. Two Wives is lawful! GOD's MORAL LAW does not change!

JESUS satisfied every requirement of the law. It was the only way that HE could become that perfect living sacrifice. Christ Jesus paid the price required by the Law of Sin and Death by shedding his blood on the cross for the remission of sin and because JESUS is perfect there is no more requirement of the law for blood sacrifice to them that believe. Now that JESUS is risen there is only one blood sacrifice anyone need concern themselves with today. Why do we see all this murder, abortion and bloodshed in the world? A: Because these people are still living under the Law of Sin and Death. They have not fully submitted themselves to the Law of Love; they have not joined that perfect sacrifice in spirit and in truth, and they are not sanctified by the Blood of the Lamb because these continually reject JESUS, the Only Wise GOD. If they do not repent, if they do not receive the Holy Spirit, and if they are not baptised into His precious name, they shall surely die in their sins. Everyone is invited to partake in the living sacrifice of Christ Jesus but not everyone will. Likewise many are called, but few are chosen.

For this reason I am also called a servant of the devil by those who think themselves more holy and pure than I, by reason of their own brightness. JESUS said, "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me." If your witness is popular and you receive the honor of many, it is very likely that you have chinks in your armour. Godly men are constantly under attack and the things they say are not usually so popular. The true doctrine concerning what GOD called TWO WIVES is no exception. When JESUS "filled up" the law during his Sermon on the Mount he was not "re-defining" His law as some understand it. Rather JESUS "re-defined" our eyesight and our understanding by giving us eyes to see and ears to hear. God's Word is true and amen. He gave us ears to hear and eyes to see what was already there, what was already written, what was already established in the heavens by His law, and opening our understanding. We may call it "re-defining" much in the same way an optician might "re-define" their client's eyesight when they put on a new pair of glasses: JESUS fulfilled the law. Example:

Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:21-22)

Does this mean that we may now freely commit murder with impunity just as long as we don't call anybody names? I think not. Christ Jesus was filling up the law to the brim and condemning all flesh here so that all flesh could not take the kingdom by force! All are condemned under the law!

Example:

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. (Matthew 5:27-28)

Does this mean that we may now commit adultery freely and with impunity just as long as it is done while wearing a blindfold? Or does this scripture mean that any husband who looks upon his wife with natural affection has committed adultery? GOD forbid. JESUS didn't take away from the law in the slightest. Did JESUS "add" to the law? That could depend on your personal definition of what "adding to the law" means. If fulfilling the law means "adding to" then JESUS added to the law by fufilling it. I am not persuaded to believe that JESUS added one jot or tittle to the law in any way, but rather, that many aspects of the law were indeed deliberately hidden from the wise and the prudent during OLD TESTAMENT times and that JESUS expounded on these things in his sermon and with his disciples. Hence, we read: In that hour JESUS rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (Matthew 11:25-26)

Example:

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. (Matthew 5:29-32)

Did JESUS really expect us to just start pulling out our eyes and removing our limbs if we thought our flesh offended us? Of course not. From Babylon until now the world still wrestles with the babble of semantics but you will not find a single scripture in all of the HOLY BIBLE that says that JESUS "added to" or "re-defined" the law. But be forewarned: Should you pray for eyes to see, or for ears to hear, or pray that JESUS would open your understanding and your eyes and your ears you may begin to see and hear certain things with a clarity of definition you never experienced before. That doesn't mean that all of what you might then see or hear was not there all along. No, it simply means that the Lord opened your eyes. Some folks call this ministry a revelation from GOD while others declare it a complete and utter blasphemy. I receive various e-mails and communications from people thanking me when they should be thanking JESUS, but I still pass on the message to my LORD, all the same. Others falsely call this ministry a lie and a "private interpretation". I thank JESUS for the HOLY BIBLE which will not support strange doctrine and verifies every revelation from GOD and His Holy Spirit, Who bears witness that the Word of GOD is true. If it is hidden, we know from whom the good news is hidden.

" O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of GOD! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not GOD made foolish the wisdom of this world? For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Do these words not ring familiar in your ears? This day, saith the LORD:

"If ye hear my voice", saith JESUS: There is one who is holy, and righteous, and true, and pure in every way. Hear ye Him. There is one only who is worthy of all the power, and all the honour, and all the glory and I will lay down my crown before His feet. There is not a woman alive on the face of the earth that is worthy to be any man's "ONE AND ONLY" in every way. JESUS alone is my Lord, my Master, my King and Husbandman. This is my heavenly Father! Therefore it is a true saying that my righteousness is not my own; but that even the son of man shall also come in the name and in the glory of the Father. The Purity of Holiness is before Him always and the very heavens flee before His face. There is none righteous, no, not one; nor any so pure as He. There is none like Him in all the heavens; therefore touch not the Lord's annointed; but taste and see that the Lord is good. His righteousness is the LORD's and He will not give His glory to another. JESUS is the ONE and ONLY WISE GOD. There is no other. JESUS called it "two wives". Therefore think not unto thyself, "I AM; there is none other beside me", for you are not alone; neither are you the ONE and ONLY. The Spirit will testify that only one can be the ultimate one and only and verily JESUS is that ONE. Let thine eye be single and learn what this means.

To the only wise GOD our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

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