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ZEITGEIST  - The Gnostic take on Christianity


 
 
Redemption rips through the surface of time in the cry of a tiny babe. - Bruce Cockburn.
 
I maintain that this is a picture of my wife and daughter. This is not a picture of an harlot and her child. This is not a picture of an adulteress and her child. This is not a picture of two abominations. This is a picture of l'basar echad, one flesh, in the sight of God. That is what it is called marriage in the Holy Bible.
 
I maintain that rings and vows and paper writ do not a marriage make. I maintain that not all marriage is sanctified by God; but rather that marriage indeed is honourable in all. I maintain that I know from whence the sanctification comes. I maintain that when a man joins with an harlot that they twain become one in the flesh and that these are not sanctified. I maintain that this is a picture of my wife and my child and that I have not joined with an harlot. 1 Corinthians 7:28
  Note the following non-scriptural words of a woman struggling in the throes of neo-feminism:
 
Isaac had only one wife. Isaac's wife, Rebekah, like her mother-in-law, Sarah, was barren. But Isaac did not take things into his own hands and have children by her handmaids, or by concubines.....like many OT men did..... Neither did Rebekah do as Sarah had done, and resort to bringing a servant girl to Isaac to produce a son for Rebekah in this manner. Instead of using human reason, taking things into his own hands, Isaac TRUSTED GOD!  Men are not trusting God much these days!
 
 
What the unclean spirit is actually suggesting here in all subtilty, is that godly men should be subject to their wives just as Isaac was subject unto God through a comparison of Issac to Rebekah. There is a confusion of roles here... What sort of woman was Rebekah? Was she truly a Godly woman? Do we even really know if Rebekah was Isaac's "one and only"? The Bible does not say; but if we take a closer look at this deceitful woman and her namesake favorite (Jacob the surplanter) we begin to notice that she too, had her own gift for deceit... But ISAAC trusted his wife. It would seem that at the time, Rebekah was his "one and only" left alive. Nonetheless appearances are deceiving and I have oft tried in vain to persuade this Puritan that absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. Of course, her typical response is that she has no use for my education and she is not impressed with the truth. She could care less if, at the age of twelve I was bawling my face of before GOD because Wisdom and Understanding were at the gate and no young men were answering to their call. Evenso. My heart was before my Maker and HE answered my prayer despite my unworthiness OR my awareness. GOD brings back to remembrance certain things about our youth that I believe he keeps protected until the appointed time. You may think what you wish.
 
Instead of conceding as the Apostle Paul did with respect to marriage and the forbidding of marriage, 'every man having his proper gift', a per-version has manifested in a fashion that is not unlike the advocates of the "Church is the Son" doctrine; for it is sheer and utter confusion. This ungodly spirit would have a man regard his wife as his ONE AND ONLY both in body and in spirit! It demands to be worshipped and reverenced as a true saint regards his one and only God. It would even go so far as to resort to the example of a jealous God to justify itself in a false covering and false annointing that a woman should be so over her husband! God is not a woman that He should be so emmulated by a woman. This is vanity verging on blasphemy and it must be dealt with in preparation for the NEW BRIDE, even NEW JERUSALEM. COME OUT OF HER, PEOPLE OF THE LORD! WHY ARE YOU IN BABYLON IF YOU ARE HIS BRIDE??? COME OUT!!! DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT EACH OF YOU IS HIS ONE AND ONLY? PUT ASIDE THIS ARROGANCE AND WORSHIP GOD!
 
 
" I'll just use my little humble, southern, biblical believing views and let the educated polygamists ones give it their best shot. Adultery is wicked!  Some married couples are so hardened in their hearts that they have open-marriages (or polygamist ones).  Such practices are evil and an abomination unto God.  God is jealous over us, and we should be jealous over our spouse, in a godly way.  Something is wrong with a wife who doesn't mind her husband being a whore monger." 
 
And your point, Lisa?
 
Lisa, I do not believe in "multiple wives". I believe in the Word of God. I love you as a sister in the LORD and I confess that I resent your false allegations concerning my faith in Him. I do not mean to be rude to you either but I will not labour to be "nice", fully understanding the meaning of this word, but to be honest . . .
 
Neither do I believe in adding to the scripture what is not written:
 
"Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to Him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and HIS [ONLY] WIFE hath made herself ready" (Rev. 19:7).
 
Is this really what the scripture says or has it been added to? I submit that the pink stuff has got to go. It might make for a pretty-in-pink fairytale for little girl fantasies and old wives fables, but there is a time and a season when we must all grow up and acknowledge a real world (ugly as that may sound).
 
We need to read the scripture precisely as it is written. The time for calling a spade a shovel is long over due; it is not our place to council GOD. I maintain that Godly men may verily marry more than one wife in the LORD. I do not care how much contemptuous mudslinging you resort to Lisa, the dirt doesn't stick and you will always be the one with egg on your face for trying to support a bold-faced lie from the pit of hell. GOD would not refer to them as wives (plural) if they were something else: each of them, a (one) wife. Romans 7 teaches us that a wife cannot be an adulteress �?she must be a wife or an adulteress, but never both... She can be a wife or a whore, but never both... She can be a wife or an harlot, but never both... Well okay, I think you get the idea.
 
Interestingly, a virgin can still be a wife, according to the New Testament scripture. Well now, how about that? It certainly makes sense when one considers she can't be any of those other things either, if she is a virgin; but that still doesn't make her MARRIED. What is even more interesting is that WIVES can also be UNMARRIED even if they aren't virgins anymore. I guess this is the part where you get nervous because it proves a few things about your false doctrine perpetuating another horrendous myth from the pit that spits at GOD'S LAW and mocks HIS WORD! This is only another STRONGHOLD in Satan that needs to come down in the name of JESUS lest the flesh should think itself worthy of the glory!!! (O, Puritan.) I am faithful that even a remnant of the "FORMER" [spiritual] WIVES of YHWH will also be found in the BRIDE of CHRIST and I know that there is scripture to substantiate this. Furthermore there is no need to "spiritualize" all of this to mask it with a metaphor when we both already know that JESUS and the BRIDE are also a [one] spiritual BODY. Just makes you sick, doesn't it? The thought of unmarried, non-virgin wives: 1Corinthians 7:10-11. They call that "separation" these days, sister.
 
I understand your shock and your outrage and you will likely never know mine; when I first discovered how that we, as a Society, have been robbed or our heritage in the LORD, how our fathers were in fact hoodwinked under the auspices of the Roman Catholic mandatory monogamy laws to be controlled and marketed like cattle, how the true faith was corrupted by a spirit called JEZEBEL, BABYLON MYSTERY, THE MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS, that desired to be carried upon the shoulders of the nations to be worshipped as GOD and GODDESS, even as the deity of Mary and the "Vicar of Christ"! Surely you know the story of Tammuz and Semaramis: the Lord and the Lady. It is GNOSTICISM, Lisa! There is NO SUCH LAW ! (Let every reader say, "no such law".)
 
I will not add any new laws to the scripture and I verily believe that this is a stronghold that you and so many other so-called "apostolics" need to let go of. Neither do I condemn any saint from truly practicing what the moral world (if there is such a thing) calls "monogamy" as this too, is indeed GODLY MARRIAGE if it is practiced in agreement with GOD'S WORD. I know that ONLY JESUS is verily the ONE and ONLY in EVERY WAY. Now it takes alot of faith to make such a statement in truth, but I maintain that it is true. I don't think people are going to be having sex after the MARRIAGE to end ALL marriages. Perhaps this is your problem. I do not know what you think but your projected contempt bewrays your own heart: You still do not have me "figured out" yet and I'm not going to tell you that much about my personal life until you PUBLICLY APOLOGISE FOR CALLING MY WIVES WHORES.
 
I will continue to pray for you and I trust that one day you will come to acknowledge the fact that my wife is not a whore and that I am not a whoremonger eventhough I have two wives. Remember: I was granted the blessing from the wife of my youth to take another wife in her absence, regardless of the fact that I do not need her permission to do so. Also bear in mind that when a virgin marries she hath not sinned. Now sister, that is scriptural. God bless you.
 
JT

God bless you, Bro Bryan. It's good to see that you are not ignoring me. I would not insist that you to agree with me on all points of doctrine and it is good to know that you don't have anything against me, personally. Thankyou for bringing this to my attention. It should come as no surprise to you that I have nothing personal against you either.
 
I don't insist that anyone to agree with me on all points of doctrine. That would be foohardy. GOD reveals His Word to us in the scripture as we are able to receive it and if we are able to receive it, we receive it. By now you should know that I have always admired you as a man of GOD and a brother in the LORD but you are a very busy man so I imagine that you have not read many of my posts to you, nor does it escape me that many may have been deleted before you even had the opportunity to read them by less than honest management. I maintain that the Strait and Narrow Way is by far the better way than the strictly narrow-minded way which continually leads to error and self-righteousness...
 
Nothing personal, but doctrines that suggest that the Church is the Son of God are from the Devil, and are spawned of a self-righteous spirit. Personally, I would not allow people who believe such things on my management team if I discovered that they actually supported such nonsense. Nonetheless better men than me have said it: To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.