It started with Fred's post which he addressed to me. The leaderboard post was titled "JT". Here is a copy of that post:

From: StRadical  (Original Message) Sent: 6/10/2008 3:19 PM   Janis and I were supposed to go to Virginia in August but I was feeling uncomfortable Sunday about staying in South Carolina and my rental lease was not up until August and if I left now I would be out twelve hundred dollars for school and miss my schooling. But the Holy Ghost was nudging me to leave Monday morning and I told the Lord "what about my school and my bills?" I told Janis that I thought I might not return to school. Janis and I debated what to do. I got a call from Idaho from a man who is a prophet who is thinking about moving to Lambsburg with Brother Cavey and I with our church. This man is a prophet and he told me to get out of South Carolina as soon as possible and not to wait. I quit school after talking to him and now the apartment complex is letting me out of my lease early without cost and Janis is getting her early out from the company earlier like this Friday. They offered it to her after she requested an earlier date and thus I lose no money not having rent for two more months. The minister from Idaho(a prophet) is selling his church building, his home and all his possessions and he told me that where he is to move is surrounded by mountains. He has never seen the place but he believes it could be Lambsburg. I am so excited! HisProphet1 and myself and Janis prayed for those mothers in Texas and bound those spirits in Lisa's group and it looks as if the State of Texas could receive great repercussions. There was no cause for the state to do that. If things work out I will have Janis' piano moved early next week and be in Virginia by the end of the week. I am feeling the Holy Ghost about this and my flesh doesn't like one bit of it. Fred Simple enough and forthright. It was a public communication made to me and I know why it was made publicly. Some us here would do well to follow Fred's example... I am slowly, but steadily, pushing out of the system myself; and for those of you with children, you would be well advised to do the same. Get out while you can. The mark of the BEAST draweth nigh and it is even at the door! Prepare yourselves to return to the old paths. Seek the good way and walk therein. Grow your own fruits and vegetables.Try to get the sort that produce their own seed for future plantings. Read survival literature. If you don't have your own land get some land you can live on and work a deal with a trusted brother or sister. Think survival. Think soup kitchens. Think shelter for the homeless, food for the hungry, clothing for the naked, and protection for the fatherless children. It's coming. People may well think PEACE & SAFETY in the BEAST, but that is not what the HOLY BIBLE says. There is no peace and safety in the system and there is no question of Who, or What, we should obey as Christians according to the Word of God. Obey those who have the rule over you only in the BODY of CHRIST. Obey those who are rulers indeed. Obey those who are truly the powers that be in the LORD. Do not be deceived: The New World Order is not your friend and the god of this world has nothing in our LORD and SAVIOUR. The New World Order is what the said "rulers" of the global, UNITED NATIONS believe in. None of these leaders have any thing in Christ Jesus. If you are a friend of the world then you are an enemy of GOD. There is no middle ground. You are either hot or cold. Luke warm is not an option and the cities are no longer a safe haven for any. Christ also practiced civil disobedience. . . Try stepping into a church bingo hall one day and turn over the tables... It will be an interesting experience. Heed the words of the Prophet and learn survival in these latter days. Were we not warned by our LORD and SAVIOUR that these days would surely come? Were we not told that there was corruption in high places??? How much more so now that we live in the latter days? (Latter days is scriptural, by the way.) And what, pray tell, were we told that we were indeed at war with and with whom do we wrestle? For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, saith the Word. From whence come wars and fightings among you? saith the Word... Come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?, saith the Word. So then: What saith the great leader of the New World Order? " And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." saith the Word. Either we believe the testimony, or we do not. JESUS is the LORD. The goal of the GOSPEL is union in JESUS. The goal of the GOSPEL is not union with Casear and the New World Order, as the Bushes and Clintons and Obamas would have you to believe. If it were, then JESUS would have said so. The great commission is real. Pray that there is always water present and be ready and willing to baptize in the name of JESUS wherever and whenever no pastor is present. It is imparitive that Christians understand how far into the end times we are. It is imparitive that fathers and mothers find a means of providing for their families without so much resort to shopping stores and the grid of the system. If you have horses keep 'em and if you have lots of horses share them as the good Lord lays it on your heart to do. This is not a drill. This is a preparation against something very real and very active in the world. Prepare the way. Put away the doctrines of Nationalism and prepare to meet the KING. JESUS is coming soon and very soon. Prepare your children for true survival - not Walmart. Paper money will only go so far. Children need to be educated in true values because dollars don't make sense anymore, rather dollars are become cents. The suffiency of GOD is sufficient for our needs if we only receive what He has given us to be sufficient. Rejoice therefore in the sufficiency of GOD while there is yet time! May GOD bless the reader

From:   Kiki40 Sent: 6/10/2008 4:15 PM

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, right. But people who want the laws to change should be law-abiding citizens first. At present, polygamy is not legal in the USA.  

Message 19 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/10/2008 4:16 PM

The bitter is set fort for the sweet and the sweet for the bitter.

Message 20 of 329 in Discussion 

 From:   StRadical Sent: 6/10/2008 4:21 PM

Kiki40, Neither is adultery. But how many people lose their kids for living together or lesbians having kids in the home? Just because the state doesn't call living together perversion for two men it does not make it any less sinful. The problem is that Christians have given the power (they think they have) to sanctify marriages to the state. By doing such they think they have taken the authority away from the church and given it to the state. Fifty years ago, marriages were arranged by families and the church with very little state involved. We have come a long way down. What I find amazing is the Christians telling us to support man's laws and the judge removed the children by breaking the law. There are probably only certain laws that certain Christians want to follow when convenient to their philosophies or situatlional ethics. Fred

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/10/2008 4:23 PM

The bitter is set forth* for the sweet and the sweet for the bitter.  I agree whole-heartedly with you in post 18, Kiki. You won't find the word "POLYGAMY" in the Holy Bible. What GOD has called two wives let not man put asunder. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. (Acts 5:29) Peter and the Apostles disobeyed the magistrates.

From:   StRadical Sent: 6/10/2008 4:27 PM

Interesting that God hates the putting away and the State of Texas would put away not only all the marriages that they don't like but the children and they wouldn't mind confiscating that property that those patriarchs worked real hard to build and put away that money that they have stolen into their bank accounts. Fred

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/10/2008 4:31 PM

Praise the Lord : "The problem is that Christians have given the power (they think they have) to sanctify marriages to the state. By doing such they think they have taken the authority away from the church and given it to the state. " - Fred  I believe that this is precisely what occured in North America a little over a century ago with the ratification of the United States Uniform Marriage and Divorce Act. I did a little more research on the subject to discover that after this Act became law, the incidence of divorce occured over 600%  compared to times prior. More proof that rings and vows and paper writ do not a marriage make.

From:   Kiki40 Sent: 6/10/2008 4:46 PM
Neither is adultery. But how many people lose their kids for living together or lesbians having kids in the home?

To my knowledge, there are no laws making adultery criminal in my state. Until just recently, homosexual acts were criminal, but not adultery. Now homosexuality is not even criminal. So you are trying to compare apples to oranges here. Regardless of the supposed "righteousness" of it, polygamy is still not legal in the USA. Though I do not agree that our government had any right to remove children from these people's homes because of their disregard for that law, the fact remains that they did break the law against polgamy. I understand your point, Fred, and your position on the matter of the "legality" in which you chose to maintain a marital status. The point that I am trying to make is that polygamists who speak out against this law are taking advantage of the rights and privileges of the free speech afforded to law-abiding citizens of the United States without actually being law abiding citizens. Here's my opinion on that: Leave. Just leave. Go where polygamy is legal.  But if you love America and you want to see this law changed, then sacrifice for your cause. Exert your influence in the area where you are most passionate about in an effective way. Lobby. Grease the political machinery. People with less spunk and ability than a tic have done marvelous things using the power afforded their voice.  But if all you plan to do is stay in your rebellion and belly-ache about the law's unfairness, I'd prefer you'd shut up. Your cause does not move me to action as long as you are disrespecting my country.

 ... Now some of you may have missed it, but the one called Kiki40 (a divorcee) first stepped into the conversation on a more serious note "comparing apples and oranges" as she put it, only to do the very same thing herself ! Her initial comment was, and I quote: "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones..." �?implying that homosexuality should not be compared to polygyny. She stated this in the full knowledge that I have two wives and remember... The entire thread was posted in my name, as per leaderboard, under the title JT. Evidently Kiki40 is one twisted sister! Continuing....

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Message 25 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/10/2008 4:46 PM

Fred, I just keep hoping and praying that those victims of injustice realize that they don't need ANOTHER LAW about marriage any more than they need ANOTHER GOSPEL. MORMON will never save them and never has.  :::sigh::: Chinks in the armour.   They need Full Bible Truth.

From:   Kiki40 Sent: 6/10/2008 4:48 PM

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.(Acts 5:29) Peter and the Apostles disobeyed the magistrates. Peter and the Apostles were commanded by God to preach the gospel in the name of Jesus. The magistrates commanded them not to preach the gospel in the name of Jesus. You have no case. God did not command men to take two wives.

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/10/2008 6:01 PM

Kiki I suspect there is some oversight on your part concerning this issue. Adultery is illegal  ̶  it just isn't enforced (usually). It should be criminal but it isn't. Beastiality is also illegal  ̶  it just isn't enforced (usually). The laws and commandments of men vary from state-to-state and country-to-country but GOD's Moral Law never changes. Does GOD call two wives "polygamy"? No, He does not. Does GOD call fourteen wives "polygamy"? No, He does not. Who calls it that? I think we know the answer. The tactic the devil is using here against those who would otherwise serve GOD is called GENERALIZING.

"Polygamy" literally means many unions. Most married people in North America are really polygamists in denial. (So much for democratic representation.) Polygamy is a word that covers alot of territory. One woman and her many godless lesbian lovers... One woman and her many godless "husbands", pets, partners etc. ... One man and his many homosexual partners... One man and his many favorite sheep, dogs, pre-pubescent children... On and on the list goes... many unions, yup... All sorts. A woman in the news just recently "married" her pet dolphin with a Wedding Ceremony and vows. (Apparently she has a contract too.) I have little use for this neo-world catch-all word, POLYGAMY, and evidently GOD doesn't either.  I like to cut to the chase and call a spade a spade where and when I can. Example: To say that all bachelors are men is not to say that all men are bachelors. To say so is to over generalize. Committing the act of adultery is indeed fornication while not all fornication is to commit the act of adultery (unless you want to "spiritualize it").  

Example: If a wife joins to the family dog* she is fornicating. True enough, she hasn't committed the act of taking another man's wife (adultery) but she has surely fornicated in this example and her husband may lawfully divorce her for this. Her husband may also LAWFULLY marry again. (One privilege a Christian woman doesn't have.) He doesn't need any writ of divorce to do so either, but if he is merciful and compassionate I should think that he would pity her (seeing that she is unclean) and let her go to be another man's wife by placing that writ in her hands. Now this truth is in total harmony with GOD's moral law and harmonizes with the following:But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. (1 Corinthians 7:15)

I know alot of "Christians" that would argue with me on this point, but none of these are able to explain to me what part of NOT UNDER BONDAGE they fail to understand. I am resolved to stand by this in the knowledge that the setting at nought and forbidding to marry has not afforded any salvation in JESUS' name every at any time. What has all these NEW LAWS that man has added to the Word (ignoring the penalties for adultery, removing GOD's moral laws and adding other laws not written in the volume of the book) wrought us other than misery, lawlessness, treachery, and ungodliness? Nay, I say that GOD has called us to peace.

* unless the "family dog" happens to be her husband. lol 

God bless you and your house.

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/10/2008 7:21 PM

GOD CALLED IT TWO WIVES

Jesus said that a house divided against itself would not stand. It is the flesh that is at enmity with GOD and our example of Godliness is indeed spiritual, Christ comparing marriage (one flesh) to union with Him in the Kingdom. There is no escaping this truth. It is the mystery concerning Christ and the Church. (Ephesians 5:32) Regardless of how ever one might desire to spiritualise any one of these precious parables so as to make them appear merely metaphorical, the fact still remains that Christ Jesus has never once corrected, or contradicted the Holy Spirit . . . Not in thought, not in word, not in spirit, and certainly not in deed. Therefore the circular arguments that some generate concerning the roles of the five wise virgins going in to the Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1-13) are immaterial. If even these virgins had failed to join with Him, after that the door was closed, they would not be wise virgins, but would be cast out into outer darkness and lost for eternity. Jesus�?most perfect parable concerning the Five Wise Virgins will verily out-last heaven and earth before GOD ever “changes His mind�?concerning what He expressly called "two wives" (not "two adulteresses") ten times, in the scripture. No, my friend, this Roman Catholic false doctrine is a strong hold that needs to come down in the name of the only wise GOD. I should think this applies to the New Testament law of love, even the more if we truly love the law, knowing that the law is good if it is used lawfully. Again: There is no new commandment given by GOD limiting any man to "only one wife". 

http://groups.msn.com/FULLBIBLETRUTH/twowivesxtwelve.msnw

Okay, ADMITTEDLY, in one of the above examples, one verse says GOD called it fourteen wives and in another GOD called it in a way that it could mean both one and two. . . But GOD is ONE. One needn't be confused. One needn't ask how many persons are in the body of Christ. One needn't be jealous over their LORD. Howbeit one would do well to discern the Body of Christ and the multitude of persons found in Lamb's Wife, the Bride, and even the five wise virgins found within the Bridegroom's chamber, with respect to the NEW BRIDE (New Jerusalem). It can be called by a term some describe as "spiritual dynamics" Example: *OUCH* Says the Jezebel... "I can have has many husbands as I choose! I am equal to Jesus."

The true words, "one wife", simply could not apply as a maximum (no more than one) as opposed to a minimum (at least one) because if they did, the false interpretation, “only one wife", would literally contradict the Holy Scripture and GOD's moral law. The OLD TESTAMENT does not contradict the NEW TESTAMENT because if it did, then we would have NO TRUE TESTAMENT. If the LORD GOD called them "two wives", having never once called any of them, at any time, in the same breath, two adulteresses, or two whores, two floozies, two strumpets, two harlots, two lewd women, two prostitutes, two sinner-women, two criminals, two men stealers, two fornicators, or by any other name, but rather He called them "two wives" and only "two wives" in all these scriptures. My GOD cannot lie.

Commentary . . . At this point the twisted sister begins to scrabble. Suddenly it has become a matter of respect for her Country. Her familiar spirit of Nationalism has come to rise up in her flesh and this seems more important to her than what thus saith the LORD. OBSERVE:

Message 31 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   Kiki40 Sent: 6/10/2008 9:18 PM

Instituting a law that limits marriage to one spouse at a time is not against any of God's laws that I know of. And you are mistaken about laws against adultery. Louisiana does not have any laws on the books that counts adultery as a criminal act. I can guarantee you that they would be enforced around here, cher, if there were!  But peace, man. Your issue is your issue. I love you all the same. You are not breaking any laws in Canada, I trust. I don't know and I don't really care. All I know about is my neck of the woods. And if somebody wants to get me riled up enough to join league with them to correct an injustice, they need to demonstrate respect for my country and the democratic process that makes it tick.

 Message 32 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/11/2008 1:33 AM

To post 31

I love you too, sister. For as much as I would love to sit with you in that Jello tree, most of us already know that true democracy in the U.S. has failed. Truth be told, your President has already flushed the U.S. Constitution down the toilet. Look up! Salvation draweth nigh!!! I would ask that you read my posts a little more carefully. For your sake I will quote myself in my opening statement on message #27:

" I suspect there is some oversight on your part concerning this issue. Adultery is illegal  ̶  it just isn't enforced (usually). It should be criminal but it isn't. Beastiality is also illegal  ̶  it just isn't enforced (usually). The laws and commandments of men vary from state-to-state and country-to-country but GOD's Moral Law never changes. Does GOD call two wives "polygamy"? No, He does not. Does GOD call fourteen wives "polygamy"? No, He does not. Who calls it that? I think we know the answer. " 

Speeding isn't a criminal act either. It's still against the law. . . Well, maybe not in Louisiana... or Timbuktu. . .  What matters is GOD's Law.

Message 33 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/11/2008 1:36 AM

P.S. : GOD called it two wives. If you try to deny what GOD called it then you deny His word.

Message 34 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   StRadical Sent: 6/11/2008 3:50 AM

The bible addresses neither polygamy nor monogamy under His law because the law of the husbandman is very clear on the issue. God regulates more than one wife under His laws in many places and He clearly shows that only a husband can give a wife a writ of divorcement and not the other way around(Numbers 30:13, Deuteronomy 24:1-2). I know many believe the law is no good today and it offends many Christians because they have been educated under the Romans Road or some Oneness churches who have their rules which conflict with the law of God. I am not sure what they would do if a Muslim walked into the church to be baptized into the Name of Jesus with two wives on his arms after coming to America. They would probably tell him to be saved that he would have to divorce with a writ one of his wives before he could be baptized. To promote that concept would be sin. God hates the putting away. Fred

COMMENTARY: Now notice this... The topic of Fred's post was based on preparation for the end times and what is about to come to the South-Eastern U.S.A. Bear in mind that this communication from Fred was BEFORE Hurricane Ike swept through and rendered thousands homeless and took the lives of nearly 200 people. I believe that GOD was talking to Fred and I believe GOD is still talking to people who have hearts for the truth. Furthermore, I have this strong suspicion that the Hurricanes are only going to continue to get bigger.

Now there are not so many good things happening in South Carolina these days either. I am concerned that it is going to be a hard winter. I would suggest that people down there would do well to get a head start and move northward; but the word was not well received because people were more concerned about attacking "miscreants" like me and Freddy, who believe every word in the Holy Bible is the truth!

Message 35 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   StRadical Sent: 6/11/2008 3:58 AM

I guess no one cares about my testimony on post # 1 in the Lord telling me to get out os South Carolina before August? Does anyone feel that some major thing is about to occur in the SouthEast? Fred

Instead, look what follows... Instead of addressing what Fred has shared, another member in management decides to get in on the act by quoting the words of an alleged "Pastor's Wife".

From:   skrunt Sent: 6/11/2008 6:06 AM

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From: PastorswifePurity  Sent: 6/10/2008 5:34 PM

I don't believe that the spirits in DF are any different than in any other MSN group that allows diversity.  As for the State removing children from the Mormon polygamist group, I wonder why it took them so long to do so.  It isn't about freedom of religion, but about child abuse.  That is all I have to say about this thread.  God bless! [PWP]

 You do know some would argue that against apostolic because of its tradition OR because of amish because they could "force child labor" or something of the like .. the state shouldnt be messing with the church AND there was no public out cry even the "phone call" was said to be fake. what will you do when they deem amish & apostolic (making them wear dresses and such) as unfit for children and they do that to a church that you love?

From:   Jacobs_Trouble Sent: 6/11/2008 2:53 PM

Fred  I even had recurring dreams of this before I met you online. Yes indeed, something very big is about to occur in the south-east and not all of it is going to be pretty. Did I not tell you on the telephone that a mass exodus is about to begin?  I haven't lent myself to expressing these things here because I know that they are sacred and holy. I refuse to cast them before swine and dogs. You know my feelings on this.

I believe your migration to Virginia is from the hand of GOD. I believe that you and Janice both are being used instrumentally of GOD in preparation for what we both know cannot be avoided.  All one needs to do is to open their eyes. This coming election will be the hallmark of many great changes. May GOD have mercy on the southesayers that proclaim that 2012 is the end of the world. We still have a long, long way to go. I rejoice in the knowledge that you are part of the preparation in these latter days. I will always be glad to discuss this with you on the telephone.

GOD BLESS 

Message 38 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   jazz8787 Sent: 6/11/2008 2:58 PM

There is nothing signifigant about the southeast of the united states. Its delusional tho think God specifically picked the southeast for a monumental event. If something cant be substaniated by the word of God let it be an accursed thing.

Commentary: Notice how the enemy uses people like Jazz (see above) to discredit the messenger. In truth, throughout history and the HOLY RECORD, GOD has chosen many specific places for "MONUMENTAL EVENTS" to occur; BUT Jazz wanted to curse because the "issue" here is not the ISSUE with these people.

Message 39 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   StRadical Sent: 6/11/2008 3:00 PM

Does no one believe in prophetic utterance on specific issues any more?

Message 40 of 329 in Discussion 

From:   StRadical Sent: 6/11/2008 3:02 PM

What if you are wrong and you miss His warning on an individual basis? North Carolina is a full blown Target. Total Military.