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From: MSN NicknameLeahsGrace  (Original Message)Sent: 6/18/2006 8:12 PM
Radical's alleged anti-american penitentiary trash according to Godair Klan
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What nonsense to glorify the ego of man and magnify the sociopathic nature of human flesh!
 
Man has a tendency to worship his family or nation or his own gifts.  It is of the natural man.  "It is all about the children" is dead wrong scripturally.  It is all about Jesus and Him crucified.  God is preeminent over children, family and nation.  His will supercedes all else.  Unless a man hate father, mother, sister and brother and even his own life also(the soul "emotional" life and ego life or pride), he is not worthy of the Kingdom of God.
 
Patriotism is rooted in the ego life or the things man has accomplished and his own glory.  It is man building the nation his way, rather than God's way.  It is man's way of approaching God, rather than approaching God the way God intended.  It is man imposing on God what God is supposed to think and feel, when God's Word is what matters.  What is God's attitude towards the love of the world(system or nation) built by man?
 
Below we see God confusing because of pride, man's agenda and we see God causing division.  This is the beginning of the culture war ordained by God.
Come, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.  Genesis 11:7
 
God is seeking to humble these people.
 
Most conflict and wars are caused by man exalting the philosophies of his nation over that of another nation through pride in that nation.  Each nation thinks his is the best.
 
In order to become Christians, we must leave our nation and cleave to our Husbandman Jesus.  Abraham was commanded to do so, as we are to do.  We must give the flesh and system of the world a divorcement and be married to another.  Starting out in the Spirit, have you decided to be made mature(perfect) by the works of the flesh?
 
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will show thee; and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing.
 
The Lord is not speaking of the United States here.  He is talking about His Great Nation.  If one is to have love of nation, it would be His Nation and not the political nation.  We cannot serve two masters.  The natural nations are driven by economic power and His nation is holy.
 
Some Christians will preach against the prosperity doctrine and at the same time be saying that the United States is blessed because of our materialism and natural freedom when the only true freedom is in Him.  There have been those ministers that are jealous of other ministers because of what they have and at the same time glorify the United States because of what it has.  If materialism and the amount of toys is equivalent to blessing, wouldn't that be a double standard?
 
The fact is that blessing can be equated  scripturally with loneliness, suffering and rejection.  All of the blessed prophets were hated by man because the prophets would not lie to the great armies and the arm of the flesh.  Abraham didn't see the great nation in his time but he believed by faith.
 
The Kingdom of God is God's nation.  In the United States, we are illegal immigrants as Christians.  We cannot be under God's law and man's law at the same time.  Man's law glorifies the flesh through legalism and redefining of words, instead of worshipping the Word in Spirit, honesty and truth. 
 
We can intellectually say that we are Christians and are part of the Kingdom of God but in the heat of a situation, the abundance of the heart is revealed when confronted as to which Kingdom do we belong.  On the Fourth of July, we are proclaiming what nation we belong to.  I wonder how Jesus feels about this.  Does Jesus look at the United States and its spiritual prostitution as great?  Does Jesus worship filthy lucre and those nations driven by such?  Did He admire the moneychangers in the Temple?
Is the United States a Christian nation or was it birthed upon Christian principles and Christianity?  Pledging allegiance to anyone but Jesus or any law but the law of God which came through Moses is idolatry and fornication.
 
The legalists always say that the Christians should submit to the ordinances of our corrupt nation or corrupt man.  On the other hand, they say that the United States is a Christian nation.  My question is, for the group, that if this is a Christian nation in origin, why did not this alleged Christian nation have to submit to the ordinances of mother England, instead of rebelling??? The legalists cannot have their cake and eat it too. 
 
The fact is that United States did not, as a nation...
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether it be to the king, as supreme, or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by Him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.  For so is the will of God, that with well-doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men, as free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.  Honor all men.  Love the brotherhood.  Fear God.  Honor the king.  I Peter 13-17
 
A Christian nation, in origin, would be required to keep the above command and submit to mother England.  A rebellious nation would not submit.  Obviously, the Masons and our founding fathers were not Christian.
 
The enemy was going to take Paul away and the soldiers were going to put him into prison and let's see what Paul says.
 
And when he came upon the stairs, so it was, that he was borne of the soldiers because of the violence of the people.  For the multitude of the people followed after, crying, Away with him! 
 
And as Paul was to be led into the barracks, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee?  Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?
 
Art not thou that Egyptian, who before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
 
But Paul said, I am a man who is a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean(ordinary) city; and, I beseech thee, permit me to speak unto the people.
Acts 21:35-39
 
We are to be citizens of the city coming down from the heavens. This should burn in one's heart. When we wave our flags around as alleged Christians, we are declaring in the sight of God the approval of the principles and glorifying the principles and agendas of fallen man, instead of the eternal city.  Christians would not think of going into a bar to witness to a drunk because of the example represented by even entering the bar, but we make no qualms as Christians about our flag and our pride of life when pride is the root of all sin.  Would Jesus be seen with patriots or drunks if He were still on earth in the flesh?  What would Jesus do?
 
Every nation thinks God is on the side of the nation but is that scriptural?  Do you think God is with the United States as a natural nation more than He is with Iraq?
 
When a man is circumcised of the heart, the world system is cut off in his heart.  It is spiritual circumcision and he tells his natural nation that they are cut off.
 
When they went to the tomb, after the resurrection...listen to this statement.
 
And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher.  Luke 24:2
This day have I rolled away the reproach of Egypt from off you.  Wherefore the name of the place is called Gilgal(a rolling) unto this day.
 
We must be, as mentioned above, a rolling stone that gathers no moss from the world.  When one is a new creature in Christ, we are circumcised away from Egypt which is representative of the world system or nation in the natural in our hearts.  Legalistic Christians will sometimes throw out the TV and cling to the love of the world or nation in their hearts.
 
Joshua learned a lesson in this scripture below.
 
And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand; and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
 
And he said, Nay, but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come.  And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?  And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy.  And Joshua did so.  Joshua 5:13-15
 
When we stand on the Kingdom of God, we are on Holy Ground.  When we stand on the natural nation of corrupt man, we are standing on unholy ground.  We must take our shoes of patriotism off when we approach God.
 
One cannot eat at the table of devils and the Lord's table and His Kingdom at the same time.


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