"Jon, you can continue to scrape at the bottom of the barrel for whatever little snippets of partial truth you might glean; but the FULLNESS of the SCRIPTURAL TRUTH richly provides ample example of godly men having wives (plural) just as it provides some examples of godly men possibly married to only one wife, ever, in their entire lifetimes. In this respect, the Semitic nations do indeed have the truth concerning marriage and a better idea of what marriage is. It is the making of NEW LAWS that presents a problem. Who thinks to change times and laws? Who mandated the MONOGAMY ONLY law? I tell you of a truth that POPE called ST. AUGUSTINE is one of the cardinal perpetrators of this legalistic doctrine that cannot be substantiated and even this celibrated scholar (not unlike thousands of others who have diligently studied the scripture) had to confess that a form of what the world calls polygyny was once ALLOWED and permitted by GOD. Does the scripture plainly state anywhere that this practice was abolished? No, it does not." - JT
Jon: And who is defying the law, againist what word commanded...
Rom 13:1-3 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.NKJV
1 Peter 2:13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men �?nbsp; 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. NKJV
Jon you have been brainwashed and you need to get away from those NEW AGE TRANSLATIONS before you completely lose what little blessing you have in your knowledge of the scriptures. You need an English copy of the HOLY BIBLE. Take a look at the Welcome Message posted under "WHAT'S NEW" next time you get an opportunity. It has been there since the day Full Bible Truth was founded. Now I don't take much credence in New Age Bibles and I don't know if what you have shared in your New KJ perVersion is true. I run with the original, received English text. I reject all other English texts written after the release of the AKJV FIRST PUBLISHED in 1611. I thought you knew this. If God wanted the English speaking peoples to have a New World Order Translation that would have been the first text the English nations would have received but God gave us the AKJV and it's sufficient for the English speaking nations to use even today. Now let's look at what those verses say in a REAL BIBLE:
Romans 13
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Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. (AKJV) Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. - NEW AGE PER VERSION
Now NOTICE the difference between ACCURATE TRANSLATION and NEW AGE PER VERSION. In the ORIGINAL ENGLISH translation "HIGHER POWERS" refers to the powers ordained of GOD. The NEW AGE PERVERSION translates it to mean any powers that exist are not only from GOD, but "appointed" by GOD! A subtle but very different translation. My version is correct because it is the original. Your version is perverted because it is NEW AGE. THE POWERS THAT BE are ordained of GOD. The powers that were usurped, stolen, pretended and abused are of the devil and they are not ordained of God but only, to use your permissive puritanical cohort's terminology... "PERMITTED" by GOD.
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Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. (AKJV) 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. - New Age Perversion
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For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: (AKJV) 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. NKJV TRANSLATION: NEW KNOWLEDGE JEZEBEL VERSION.
Actually Jon, I am so glad you shared your perverted bible with me. It just goes to show how the devil twists the word of God with all subtilty to pervert it to the pleasure of the fleshly-minded. I won't waste time disputing your per-versions with you. MY BIBLE tells me that I only need fear those POWERS that are the "POWERS THAT BE" - THAT MEANS "ordained of GOD" - not just "appointed". YOUR BIBLE tells me to obey perverts and anyone else with power. JON are you telling me that I must obey SODOMITES and CATAMITES and LESBIANS? That is what we have for government leaders up here, in CANADA. No Jon, you are brainwashed by a filthy, stinking, NEW AGE PER VERSION. Let me give you the words of a truly Godly man in answer to your New Age perversion:
But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye. - ACTS 4:19
YUP. They BLATANTLY DISOBEYED THE PHONEY POWERS THAT WERE NOT POWERS AT ALL, BUT SERVANTS OF SATAN. That is what is wrong with this New Age Society: They rebel against all that is godly and good and OBEY the devil and CORRUPTION in HIGH PLACES. IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO ALSO, JON?
1 Peter 2:13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men �?nbsp; 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. NKJV
AND NOW FOR THE REAL ENGLISH BIBLE:
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Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. OKAY, SO FAR THE NKJV managed to leave those two verses relatively unscathed. (Thank God). So far the NKJV LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. I AM SURPRISED. CONTINUING with the HOLY BIBLE... 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. STOP. "BONDSERVANTS"? YOU MEAN SLAVERY? WOW. MY VERSION SAYS "SERVANTS" AND YOUR BIBLE SPEAKS OF "BOND SERVANTS". BOND SERVANTS ARE SLAVES IN BONDAGE TO A SLAVE MASTER. NO WONDER YOU CONFUSE GODLY MARRIAGE WITH SLAVERY! JON, I NEARLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. GET A REAL BIBLE. YOUR BIBLE WANTS TO PUT YOU IN BONDAGE TO HOMOSEXUALS AND LESBIANS. NOW HERE IS THE CLINCHER: 17 Honour all men. UH-OH... YOUR BIBLE SAYS "ALL PEOPLE". SEE WHERE IT SAYS, "HONOR ALL SODOMITES AND LESBIAN CHILD MOLESTERS FOR THIS IS RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD IF THEY ARE IN GOVERNMENT" ? NO THANKYOU, I THINK I'LL STICK WITH MY GOOD OLD AKJV.
Love the brotherhood. Amen. Funny... your NKJV says the same thing... just like the devil to mix truth with lies, huh?
Fear God. Honour the king.
Who is your KING, JON? I KNOW WHO MY KING IS. WHO IS YOUR KING?
Jon: You have no command from God to marry one, two, three or more, so this area is open for man to rule over.
PURE... UNMITIGATED CONJECTURE !!! First of all, you DO NOT truly know whether GOD has commanded me to marry or not; you merely speculate. Secondly, GOD does COMMAND PEOPLE TO MARRY in certain instances. Did you know that Jon? Thirdly, actual MARRIAGE is an institution of God, NOT OF CAESAR! SECULAR GOVERNMENT has no business being in the business of marrige! They really should mind their own business and butt out of godly people's bedrooms! Methinks you want the SEX POLICE at every bedroom door, Jon. Shame on you!
We must preach Jeus to the world, we must never deny his name, but if we do not marry at all it is not a sin, there is no command to marry or how many too marry.
No Jon, we must preach the truth. (By the way, His name is JESUS - not Jeus). Now finally you're beginning to make a little sense: "but if we do not marry at all it is not a sin, there is no command to marry or how many too marry." - Jon
MAY I QUOTE YOU ON THIS OFTEN?
"...there is no command to marry or how many too marry" - Jon
"...there is no command to marry or how many too marry" - Jon
Jon, I believe we are beginning to make some progress.

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although the HOLY BIBLE does give examples of men commanded by GOD to marry. Still, there is no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater. You are coming along rather nicely with this statement.
Jon: You have no command from God to marry one, two, three or more, so this area is open for man to rule over.
Do you mean to say, your King Jeus, is permitted by God (His name is Jesus) to take the betrothed virgin wives of all men before they marry their betrothed "husbands"and brake their maidenhead first, of all your King choses and then hand them back to their former husbands as they did in the old days? Have you ever read the true stories of the Kings? Is it really so "open", Jon? What therefore God hath put together let not man put asunder.
We must preach Jeus to the world, we must never deny his name, but if we do not marry at all it is not a sin, there is no command to marry or how many too marry.
AGAIN: Jon, they need to get OUT of the marriage business ALL-TO-GETHER and hand it back to the TRUE CHURCH. AGAIN: MARRIAGE IS AN INSTITUTION OF GOD - NOT CAESAR.
Again: I WILL say that we could stand to learn alot from our brothers and sisters in the middle-east and countries around the world who understand the meaning of the word "survival" and have practiced the custom of marriage for thousands of years in cultures much older than those of North America. In North America we pretend to take care of our own by handing our misfortunates over to the "SYSTEM of the BEAST" that owns all of us if we should fail to unplug from the system and plug into the LIVING WORD. I am telling my brothers and sisters to plug into JESUS. They don't have to listen to me but I think that is good advice. God is JUST and HE is good. We must not lean on our own understanding with respect to godly marriage but look to ALL of the scriptural examples our LORD and SAVIOUR left for us in the SOLA SCRIPTURA and adhere to them in their FULLNESS. Sometimes things do not seem fair to us but the Lord knows what is fair. Handing over our social problems to women and children and lesbians and catamites and sodomites will not improve anything. We need to start standing on ALL (not some) of the promises of God and we need to return to the ancient land marks. - JT
Jon: No, we have nothing to learn from Islam and that is for the most part the people your are referring to. The profane place God spoke about on the holy mount is the Islamic temples. Islam hates it women, no love flows from their laws.
Well Jon, despite the fact that you disagree with the above green letters written by me, North America is going to stand TO LEARN ALOT FROM ISLAM in 26 mos. The profane place, as you put it, is phallic symbol of TRINITARIAN ROMANISM to be brought down to it's timely death! And I will tell you another thing concerning your so-called "POWERS THAT BE" that sit upon the SEVEN HILLS to promote the exploits of that HARLOT called BABYLON aka JEZEBEL... THE REAL POWERS THAT BE are going to take your trinity jeuice away because ISLAM KNOWS that GOD IS ONE! Now this does NOT make me a MUSLIM, sir... BUT if you are indeed even partly of that same sort of sanctimonious PURITANICALLY PAGAN material that I continue to keep smelling in your posts, then it would stand to reason why you support the troops: You are a fascist. I want you to know something: I was angry because a certain puritan called my wife a whore when I know for a fact I had taken a virgin to wife. If a virgin marrys she has not sinned. Even your own perversion admits this much.
You know, I have many Lebanese friends. Some are Muslim. The husbands loves his wives like you do not even know, my friend. The husband of one I know does surely love his own children even more than I can describe and provides well for them. I saw how he came in the door from work one day when I was there on business. His own respectable wife opened the door to me. The was no question in my mind as to whether she was a lady. NO SIR. YOU ARE SURELY MISTAKEN. I respect this man. I do him honor of respect as your perversion even says I must do and so does my AKJV. WHY?
BECAUSE JESUS (not juice) says it is HONORABLE. At least these KNOW that God is one. HOW dare you speak of the place of profanity while the POPE YET LIVES! Jon, you need help and I will be praying for you. You are my new burden. Are you Roman Catholic by any chance, Jon?
While you are contemplating your next point of vacilation, I will give you a post to look over wherein I address a certain pastor's wife who thought herself quite justified in calling my wives "whores" only because neither one of them desires to divorce me for having two wives; but both of them are content to remain as they are. Of a truth, I will tell you that I fine with this also, but I am not at ease with a filthy woman declaring herself a pastor's wife, who thinks she is so pure and holy that she believes that she has the authority to call my faithful wives whores. Either we follow what is written in the scripture or we do not. So far, your argument isn't even weak. It isn't even an argument. Friend, do you not see what you have been doing?
Jon: Following the whole word and not adding to it, what men desire.
Jon, if you were following the WHOLE WORD and not only partial truth, if you did know JESUS, in spirit and in truth, you would also understand and discern the things of the spirit. You would know where that place was that you just spoke of. You would know what the antichrist and the false prophet are, and you would know that the reason our LORD JESUS (that is His name in English, Jon) suffers the sons of Ishmael this blindness is BECAUSE HE wants to gather the KINGS OF THE EARTH to DEVOUR THE HARLOT!!! THINK ABOUT IT. Don't get me wrong, Jon. I love you like a brother, and I'm telling you to go change your underwear because it's beginning to show. You need to be set free from the powers of the Harlot, Jon. You need to return to THE FATHER'S HOUSE and become a True Worshipper of GOD! THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BUT GOD! HIS NAME IS JESUS.
You too, are beinging to waver like a woman in her distress and travail. The scriptures also speak of this. Now I am truly not trying to insult you, Jon. I am praying that God opens your eyes. Do not think that godly women will respect you more for lifting up the standard of monogamy. Sadly, I learned this bitter lesson in my youth. Women respect men even less when they vacilate. There are haughty and naughty women in the world, Jon. Take charge and never suffer a froward woman with a filthy mouth, even if she calls herself a pastor's wife.
Jon: I have a wife scan, whom I love more than my own life, I always did, even before we were married 24 years ago. I need no other, want no other and we were both virgins when we married. That at the ages of 23 and 22, I do not need anyone to tell me what God already showed me.
J.T. : I married the wife of my youth in the spring of 1982. She is still my wife to this day. She is a few years younger than me. I honored her as I would have even honored a virgin. We lived together and did not even join for a long time. But that is personal. She was a victim of much abuse as a child, at the hands of perfidious foster parents. I regret that I did not listen to my LORD sooner but my HUSBANDMAN is most merciful.
All the while my Lord put women before me and so did the enemy... women that needed help... women that were good friends... NOT ONCE did I ever understand what was going on. Thousands of propositions Jon, were not good. Also here, on the internet... even yet I would not sucumb, even when these were as very filthy women toward me. Working as an online gaming administrator puts a man in a rather strange position. I no longer do this.
God knows I can truly be trusted to honor WIVES (plural) to the end, Jon. Not "hit and run" Jon, but to the end. I was called to marriage a long, long time ago but I did not understand what this meant for me. Now I was indeed formed in my own mother's womb to become a married man. Not all men are. Not all women are. I accept this. Sometimes I am very tempted to envy the truly celibate of God, but I know this is wrong. Each of us has our gifts in JESUS. I should have understood this sooner, but alas; the sins of my youth ruled over me then. (So did ungodly men and women - not excluding my own parents at that time.) Now when I was a child, I only thought as a child. Sadly, I was forced to grow up fast. We all do have our regrets but I look to the Joy that is in Jesus for showing me the error of my way and to help me teach the GOSPEL according to His GRACE in the good ministry of FULL BIBLE TRUTH. Yes, they say that those who can't do ... TEACH... BUT I must walk the talk. I may not be the best patriarch, but I now know why my LORD opened my eyes and why I must share MY LORD AND HUSBANDMAN with as many as it should please MY LORD and SAVIOUR. Neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man in HIM. GOD IS ONE.
Let your electricity guy puke if He will, brother, I am in LOVE with my LORD and KING and MASTER, and I do declare that NOT ONE OF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE JEALOUS OVER ME or MY JESUS!
YA'LL ARE PERVERTED IN YOUR PER-VERSIONS! YEA, YOUR MINDS ARE GONE AFTER THE FLESH! YE CANNOT DISCERN THE SPIRIT! SO YOU DO ACCUSE ME OF PERVERSION AS YOU SPEW FORTH YOUR OWN VOMIT FROM YOUR NEW AGE TRANSLATIONS! DO YE NOT KNOW THAT GODLY MARRIAGE IS OF THE SPIRIT??? HOW MANY PERSONS (PLURAL) ARE IN THE BRIDE OF THE LAMB?
DID ABRAHAM COMMIT ADULTERY WHEN HE TOOK HAGAR TO WIFE?
DOES JESUS THE BRIDEGROOM MEAN TO COMPARE HIMSELF TO A MAN OPENING HIS DOOR TO A BROTHEL? READ YE, MATTHEW CHAPTER 25.
THEN TELL ME... WHERE IS THE LAW? I WANT TO READ IT.
WHERE IS THE LAW THAT SAYS "ONLY ONE WIFE" AND WHY DOES THE CHANGELESS ONE SAY "TWO WIVES" TWELVE TIMES, NEVER TO CALL IT ADULTERY OR FORNICATION? MY LORD IS NOT BLIND! DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT HE "WINKED" AT THIS? I THINK NOT. YE IGNORANT, YE BLIND!
LOOK AT OUR DIVORCE RATES AND LOOK AT THE MUSLIM DIVORCE RATE. THEY MAY NOT BE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT BUT THE WRITING IS NO THE WALL FOR ALL TO READ, YE DOGS! YE ADULTERERS! YE FORNICATORS! YE PROUD! YE PRETENDERS! YE BLASPHEMERS! AND YE JUDGE ISLAM?? O, MY LORD HAVE MERCY! LOOK TO YOUR POPE!
p.s. the "pastor's wife" was wrong to call names and to judge.
JT: SPOKEN like a man of God. A few glimmers of hope sparkle on the horizon!
God bless you and your house in the knowledge of Jesus, the Only Wise God!
THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BUT GOD! HIS NAME IS JESUS.