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15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. STOP.

"BONDSERVANTS"? YOU MEAN SLAVERY? WOW. MY VERSION SAYS "SERVANTS" AND YOUR BIBLE SPEAKS OF "BOND SERVANTS". BOND SERVANTS ARE SLAVES IN BONDAGE TO A SLAVE MASTER. NO WONDER YOU CONFUSE GODLY MARRIAGE WITH SLAVERY! JON, I NEARLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU. GET A REAL BIBLE. YOUR BIBLE WANTS TO PUT YOU IN BONDAGE TO HOMOSEXUALS AND LESBIANS.

Jon: Hardly, bond servants are sevrants by choice, which is true of Christians. We are bond servants to God, however your version still says servants regardless. Also how did you get to marriage from this? this passage is not about marriage, it is about obedience to Government.

Well Jon, I was trying to appeal to your own sense of reason and logic here. You see, this particular thread has a LEADER BOARD. It reads: What is The Monogamy Myth? That means this thread is about MARRIAGE and a certain MYTH about MARRIAGE that needs to be dispelled once and for all. Since you were the one who introduced the topic of OBEDIENCE to satan, I just thought I would make a personal observation and express my own opinion based on my personal observation. Of course, it is my own personal preference and choice to DISOBEY the devil just as my best example, Christ Jesus the REBEL, rebelled against satan and DISOBEYED him. No, he did not obey the prince of the air; instead He disobeyed the god of this world and even told that devil to get behind Him. Now it might be possible that Hagar was indeed in BONDAGE to Abraham of her own, personal choice. We do not see any evidence of this in the scripture, but it is evident that she was a BONDWOMAN. This means that she was IN BONDAGE to Abraham. Yes, she was his wife and his concubine and his slave but Sarah was no BONDWOMAN. There are slaves who are slaves by choice but I believe GOD'S VERSION of the HOLY BIBLE puts it correctly when He calls His people His "SERVANTS" eventhough they are in bondage to Him by CHOICE. I suppose in the loosest sense we could call ourselves "SLAVES" of God if we are truly His servants, provided that we understand that this IS of our own free choice. After this, there is no turning back. Remember Lot's wife. I would say that it is a consideration �?especially in marriage �?and a good admonishing for those who consider marriage without understanding just who the MASTER in the marriage is, and JUST who is in bondage to the MASTER. The Puritanical logic says, "A man cannot have two wives because a man cannot serve two masters." The Puritan errs, not knowing the scriptures. The Puritan is confused. The woman was made for the man �?nbsp;not the man for the woman. Let it be a warning to the young ladies who dream about marriage. They have verily entertained the idea of serving a master in the flesh for the rest of their days.

17 Honour all men. UH-OH... YOUR BIBLE SAYS "ALL PEOPLE". SEE WHERE IT SAYS, "HONOR ALL SODOMITES AND LESBIAN CHILD MOLESTERS FOR THIS IS RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD IF THEY ARE IN GOVERNMENT" ? NO THANKYOU, I THINK I'LL STICK WITH MY GOOD OLD AKJV.

Love the brotherhood. Amen. Funny... your NKJV says the same thing... just like the devil to mix truth with lies, huh?

Jon: Honour goes with love, you seem to think there is a lot of diffence here, but there isn't.

Jon, do you know what the brotherhood is? Do you believe it means "all men" ? Trust me, there is a difference.

If you think you should not honour "HONOR ALL SODOMITES AND LESBIAN CHILD MOLESTERS FOR THIS IS RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD IF THEY ARE IN GOVERNMENT then why do you think you should love them?

You know Jon, this is a very substantial question and I am glad you asked me. I love Sodomites, Lesbians, and Child Molesters because they are human beings who are plauged by demons and totally messed up. They need serious help and the majority of them are serious victims of abuse themselves. This is likely the most substantial thing you have stated in your entire post. Now we come to the definition that gives the sword of truth that RAZOR sharp edge. Jon, there is indeed a difference between HONOR and LOVE; but we HONOR the sinner, not the sin (and that came from your "monogamy only" founder by the way) just as we LOVE the sinner and not the sin. Adding a "new law" to God's word is a sin. God actually condemns it. MONOGAMY ONLY is a new law designed to create division among brothers and to control the masses and to make merchandise of men, women, and children. It is a sinful law. It is not a godly law. I don't have to honor it because God never said it and God never honored this man-made law either. God honors both ONE WIFE and TWO WIVES. God is good. God also honors wives (plural). I am glad that you recognize the fact that I believe we should love sinners, but that doesn't mean we should love the world and the things that are in it (such as sinful laws), neither do I believe that we should honour the god of this world as though he represented "the POWERS THAT BE". He does not. He is a liar, a murderer, and a thief. Have you been following the news lately? You see, there is another part of that quotation of mine you that you glossed over... "IF THEY ARE IN GOVERNMENT". The point I was trying to make was that JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSTITUANTS OF SECULAR GOVERNMENT does not mean we must honor their laws if those laws are sinful. Their political status in the eyes of the world is immaterial if they are passing oppressive and ungodly laws by adding these laws spawned from the pit to GOD's LAW. There is no scripture commanding us to obey the god of this world.

Fear God. Honour the king.

Who is your KING, JON? I KNOW WHO MY KING IS. WHO IS YOUR KING?

Jon: Jesus is my King, but here we have rules as well and you are disobeying your King (Jesus) when you disobey them. There are things we must do to obey God rather then men, but you are not obeying God in marriage when you do what man made for his own purpose.

If Jesus were your KING you would take full responsibility for your morality and not permit the god of this world to dictate your morality for you so that you could point the finger (as they did in the garden) and cop-out on your moral responsibility to the word of God. To my knowledge, nobody in this group is making a "new law" demanding that all men should have more than one wife. No, we honor what God honors: Wife and Wives. God made marriage (one flesh) for His own purpose. He made a covenant with Abraham even to tell him that in Isaac shall thy seed be called. God did ordain this in the establishment of TWELVE TRIBES and accomplished it through JACOB called ISRAEL and his FOUR WIVES. GOD HONORED ALL of JACOB's wives. Not once did GOD tell Jacob that it was wrong for him to have those wives, and GOD does not change (the Puritan reminds me). No, GOD HONORED those wives... BLESSED those wives... and called them "WIVES" �?NOT "adulteresses", NOT "fornicators", NOT "whores", NOT "harlots" and GOD did HONOR HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM just as He ordained it from the beginning. Now show me where GOD suddenly changed His mind about "TWO WIVES". Likewise, in the New Testament, so does the BRIDEGROOM also honor FIVE WISE VIRGINS in our LORD'S own description of the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Yes, it would seem that GOD DOES NOT CHANGE. I agree that GOD DOES NOT CHANGE.

Jon, what man does and makes for his own purpose is very selfish indeed. There is a very substantial reason why the Romans wanted to control the populace with ENFORCED MONOGAMY but it was not a godly or good reason at all... I do not worship a "god of FORCES" as one in a certain place does. I worship a GOD of LOVE. I don't believe Jesus really wants me to be His "slave" although some would lead me to believe otherwise. I believe Jesus wants me to SERVE Him freely and as a cheerful servant of my Master and King, even of my own free will. Sometimes I ask MY LORD and HUSBANDMAN to put me in HIS BONDS because I know that my flesh is at enmity with Him. Saved people often forget this and I don't trust my flesh; but I, myself, am not this vessel that will perish with the using; therefore I have no confidence in my flesh. Jesus has blessed me with "TWO WIVES". Other men and women receive other blessings from GOD that I am not permitted by His grace. God forbid that I should be jealous OVER them and may my LORD never permit me to be jealous over Him either. I share my JESUS with all and especially with them that are His. I hope this helps, but as you stated... Oh, well there is no point to this... and you are correct after a fashion: GOD called it "TWO WIVES" twelve times in the scripture; He blessed, and loved, ordained, sanctified, built, added to, and honored it. Who are we to correct GOD for this and what is the point to this CORRECTION if we truly honor the LOVE OF GOD? None of us are His individual, "ONE and ONLY". JESUS is not a selfish GOD.

Be blessed in the knowledge of His Truth. His commandments are not grievous and His burden is light.

*NOTE: I want you to know that there is ONE THING about you that I especially admire in a brother:

It is your commitment to LOVE.

GOD BLESS,

JT

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