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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 9/19/2007 2:52 AM

~ A Help Meet ~

1Cor. 11:7-For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8-For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9-Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Now, here it has been assumed for all these years that this means the woman was created for the ‘pleasure�?of or to be a type of ‘possession�?of the man. But that is not the case at all. For proof of this go back to Genesis.

2:18-And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone: I will make him an help meet for him.

Now look help up in the Strong’s Hebrew: it is #5826--It means this: to surround, i.e. protects or aid: help, succor.

The word, ‘meet�?has the same meaning. So this makes it clear that the woman’s natural use = the thing God created her for- was not for sex. This is not even mentioned in the original meaning of the word, help meet.

So, this explains that the woman was created for the purpose of surrounding, protecting, aiding, helping, and succoring the man. So, he needed her.

Now, back to our Scripture in Cor. V10-For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Now, this is showing that the woman had the power on her head. This power was to be used to aid, help, and protect the man. She was HIS helper; not the other way around. We have never lived in a world where this condition prevailed; so we cannot imagine how this was.

V11-Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

See, in the Lord, neither one is self-sufficient.

V12-For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

So, what went wrong?

The answer is in Romans one.

Now, remember that we just read that neither one is without the other IN THE LORD.

Romans 1:18 & 19-shows that man once knew the truth, but held it in unrighteousness; therefore the wrath of God is on them.

V20-shows the invisible things of God are clearly seen and understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead.

So this shows that by the visible making of Adam and Eve, we are to see God’s power. Now where was the power placed? On the woman’s head; in her long hair. (1Cor. 11)

The power and Godhead was manifest in seeing them.

But how was this? It was in the way God made Eve to protect and aid Adam. This, dear people, is what was perverted; this is what brought about all the disease, violence, bloodshed, and every other evil in this world; their perverting this way of God with the man and the woman.

V21-Because that, when they (Adam and Eve) knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

V22-Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

V23-And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.

Now, what was the ‘glory�?of God here? The man. How did they become vain? They thought they themselves could be gods. This took their minds into darkness = carnality. To be carnally minded is death.

Man was originally in the image of God = uncorruptible. But when he no longer desired the knowledge of God to be in his mind, he became corruptible; he became in the image of sinful man. Thus, the ‘glory�?of God, (the man) was changed; from the image of corruptible man to that of birds, then (lower) four footed beasts, then (lower) to creeping things. In other words, they began to worship themselves; then birds; then animals; then bugs. This is how low they sank because of thinking they could become gods.  Men began to act like animals, in desiring more than one mate.

Now in verses 24-28- we see that they both left the natural use of the woman. Remember that this is not speaking about sex. It is speaking about what the woman was created for = to surround, aid, help, & protect the man.

Because of the curse placed on them in the Garden of Eden, the man was made to rule over the one who was to have been his helper, his protection, his aid, and his scourer. So, she had to leave the natural use = i.e. being his protector.

He now no longer desired for his wife to be his companion or surround him; he now longed for other men to do this. He now believed that the woman could not help him; she could not protect him; she could not teach him; for after all, he now ruled over her. PERVERSION. Perversion of the original creation.

So, what did this condition lead to?

V28-God gave them over to a reprobate mind (remember, their mind was darkened- this is what that means).

V29-Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parent, without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Now, men take pleasure in seeing people doing all these evil things which God hates for he hates God.

Now, that is the whole, sordid story of how low man sank, after he left the natural use of the woman, having the power on her head to protect him.

He lost his natural affection; he now burned in his lust for other men; this came about because as he surrounds himself with other men, instead of his wife, perversion sets in.

When the man looks to other men for spiritual leadership, fellowship, and companionship, he takes up this perverted spirit. For the woman is not there protecting him from this. If he had stayed in the fellowship and company of his wife, this perversion would not have set in.

They now take up all the other ‘vices�?mentioned above. God sent the flood and destroyed the ancient world for this very thing: what do you suppose the end of this perverted generation will be?

People, Jesus came and placed man and woman back into the rightful position with each other: but man has rejected this again and took it right back to man with man. So, once again it is headed to destruction.

Men would rather play ball with other men than be with their wives and children; they would rather fellowship other men in the word; they would rather go fishing with other men; go hunting, camping, preaching, just about anything you can think of -- men would rather do it with other men than their wives. They turn to other men for instruction in the word, for help, for aid, for fun, for fellowship, etc. This leads to the perverted lust for sex with other men.

This is where leaving the original, natural use of the woman led humanity. This is where the man ruling over the woman led the world.

Remember that this was PUNISHMENT TO BOTH THE MAN AND THE WOMAN. IT IS ETERNAL DAMNATION.

Gen. 6:12-sAnd God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had CORRUPTED HIS WAY UPON THE EARTH.

God’s way was for the woman to aid, protect, surround, help, comfort, and succor the man. When Men rule over the woman and stop her from being used of God, then this is corruption of God’s way upon earth. This has caused all the blood-shed, all the perversion, and all the family problems on this earth. When men can once again accept their wives as equals with themselves, deal with them according to this knowledge and love them as themselves, then once again joy, peace and happiness will flood the homes. The children will once again obey their parents and know how to be the right kind of companions when they grow up and marry, for they will have had the perfect example set before them.

But right now, most men abuse their wives, for the saw this in their daddies. They hated it then, but as they grow up, and believe that they are supposed to rule over this woman, and bring her into subjection to himself, then abuse sets in. They in turn do not feel the love and respect for the wife which they should have. They have been led to believe that God does not use the woman in the ministry, so they always turn to other men for their spiritual leadership, when God intended for this to come from the wife. Thus when God reveals his word to the woman, the man rejects this and destroys this work of God which He began in this woman.

Paul highly commended a woman minister, Phoebe. Paul had many women who helped him in the MINISTRY. Paul knew that God had joined us all back as ONE, where neither male nor female differences dwell. In Christ there is NEITHER male, nor female. We are all ONE. Until the Church gets back to this understanding and way of life, nothing will ever be right. This is why Jesus gave the first commission to carry the gospel of his resurrection to a WOMAN.

By: Jo Smith



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/19/2007 3:30 AM

~~ Rejecting the Helpmeet ~~

Adam and Eve were created on EQUAL grounds. She was there to help him keep things right, and not go into sin. He despised this, as she was the one with the power.

He hated her for being there. She was not placed there as a 'possession' or 'plaything' for Adam. She was there to lead him to spiritual perfection. She was his protection. This is what it means, she was made for the man.

It most certainly does NOT mean that she was there for his sexual pleasure. That is no where mentioned in Scripture. It was brought up by the carnal, lustful minds of men, in their fallen and degraded state of being reprobate.

Adam was not told to rule over Eve UNTIL AFTER THEY SINNED. It was the punishment for their sin. It was just as much punishment to him, as to her.

It led him into more sin and violence than the world can stand. So God destroyed them with the flood, because of this very thing. It is now headed to destruction again, because of this very thing.....dealing treacherously with the wife of their youth!

The entire Old Testament way of life was an ABOMINATION to God. So he did away with it and brought back up EQUALITY with Jesus and his Apostles.

That first and only true Church had all things EQUAL.

They were all ONE. There was neither male nor female, for they were all EQUALS again.

But now, men have taken it right back to bondage for the woman. That is the ONLY reason Paul told them THEIR women could not speak....they had gone right back to that dead head of LAW. This again caused them to be fallen from Grace and into eternal death.

Men, is it worth it to you, to just live to satisfy your own ungodly lust? You are to blame for all the evil, the violence and destruction brought up on this earth, from the Day Adam led Eve astray, until this day. Besides that, you will lose your soul in hell fire.

It will never be right on this earth, until the Woman is again in her rightful place as THE HELPMEET, or the aid, protection and succor, or leader of her husband. Look up the word in Strong's Hebrew. This is exactly what the word, Helpmeet, means.

Now fight this if you will. it is the solid truth of God.

Only because of sin and fallen man, was the woman ever told to be ruled over. It was PERVERSION OF GOD'S WAY, and will always lead to death, violence and destruction of mankind.

It is not a fallacy of the western women. It is God's only chosen way of life.... to be EQUALS. There is no true Christianity without EQUALITY.

God's kingdom is one of total EQUALITY . That is why men have tried to reduce the eternal, infinite God down to just 1 or 3. They hate this innumerable host being able to be in total equality and perfect love, with no jealousy, envy or competition among themselves.

No, men cannot live this way. They cannot lower their pride and submit to others, as God requires.

God told Abraham to submit to the words of Sarah. He did so, even to sending his beloved Son away.

Sarah is the one to whom God gave this revelation to send the bond child away. He could not be heir with the free child.

Now men are subjecting their wives to the horror of having to share her husband with other women. It was never of God and will never be of God.

Men today cannot take the truth. They will delete this, ban me, as it is done on every site I attempt to teach God's truth on.

Men today hate God's truth. That is why they deny the Father and say Jesus is the Father of himself. Such vomit!!!

Jesus did not teach this lie. neither did the Apostles, whom they falsely claim to be like.

Not one Apostle had more than one wife. It was only those rebellious men under law, or the old dead covenant, sanctified by the blood of animals. It was an abomination to God. Isa one and 66.

But men reject the glorious revelation which God has given to his DAUGHTER.

Yet Jesus ignored Peter and John at his tomb, and waited and sent Mary out with the first message of the resurrection. She was the very first human person to know this glory.

Jesus did that for a definite purpose....that of exalting those of low degree. The women...whom the rebellious son, Adam, had drug down.

Oh I know that even the women are so down-trodden with false doctrine that none of you can accept this glorious truth.

But peace and joy and love and lack of violence will NEVER BE ON THIS EARTH UNTIL THINGS ARE SET BACK ON EQUAL GROUNDS AS GOD FIRST MADE IT.

HIS original way is the only right way.

He did not make a mistake when He gave the power to Eve. He did not make a mistake when He made her the HELPMEET. He did not make a mistake when he brought his holy son, Jesus, into this world WITHOUT THE HELP OF SINFUL MAN, BUT USED A HOLY WOMAN.

The evil was in that man, so God by-passed him in the birth of Jesus. Jesus was and is the SEED OF THE WOMAN.

In putting her down, you are putting Jesus down. He is HER SEED. He is not the man's seed.

Men are so carnal minded that they think God was speaking of natural childbirth when he multiplied her conception and sorrow. It was spiritual childbirth. That is why Christians have always had so much persecution. God said in your suffering you are made perfect. See? Suffering, sorrow in childbirth. It took Jesus to that cross! It began with Abel being killed, and Eve being so mistreated.

You men are so carnal minded, that all you can think of is sex. You cannot see spiritual things. It was not speaking of natural childbirth. She is not saved by natural childbearing. She can only be saved, same as you men, by SPIRITUAL CHILDBEARING.

Unless you bear a child for God, a son of God, you will end up in hellfire.

And since you reject the help of the wife, you have no help.

This is the truth of God 's word, no matter how many rise up and curse it.

You will be held accountable for what you do with this truth.

By: Jo Smith... Sept. 18, 2007


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From: freeborn11Sent: 10/3/2007 2:58 PM
I see you could not deal with this message!  I knew you could not!
 
well, hello again.
 
Proved you CANNOT take any truth!  I knew you could not take the pure word much longer.
 
Post it to the world.  No one here is seeking any truth, for when it is put in your faces, you reject it and run and can do nothing but spew out evil, ugly name calling.
 
But see, you could not keep me out if you wished to do so.
 
but do not fear,  I will not stay.  Had not intended to come back before, but you had to goad me into it. 
 
 I have no desire to deal with such evil speaking dogs.  Knew you could not discuss Scripture.  You have none to deal with.  that is really what you hate, not me.  You hate it that I have pure Scripture to teach, and you have none.
 
So now.  Slander me on and on.  but you proved you cannot take any truth.  You are sons of Satan.
 
Satan is a MALE you know.  he is not a female.
 
Jesus is the seed of the WOMAN, EVE, you know.
 
So hate her on, too.  Jesus put down the men from their SEATS,   (means place of rulership, you know,)  and EXHALTED them of low degree,  (means the trodden down WOMEN, you know).
 
So go fight with HIM.  He did it.
 
He sent a flood because of men taking more than one wife, you know.
 
No Sons of God existed since then, until Jesus came, preaching that it must go back to the beginning, of the WIFE being the one and only one.
Wife of youth  = wife of the Covenant.  Mal.
 
What Covenant?  Grace.  The one you father, old Satan Adam threw away.
 
So no one is in Grace who has two.
 
And don't forget,  Jesus called it FIVE HUSBANDS.
 
sO YOU Ladies,  go get yourselves five husbands.
 
After all,  Jesus did not rebuke her for having FIVE HUSBANDS.
 
Watch out.  Here comes the foaming-at-the-mouth, mad dogs!
 
By, by.  enjoy yourselves.  Hell awaits you at the end of the way.  You have rejected the Grace Covenant, for the dead old law covenant.
and you wish to teach others to do the same.  bad, bad, bad you.
 
FREEBORN
Don't forget, Jesus said she had FIVE HUSBANDS.
So ladies, go get yourselves five husbands.  Jesus did not rebuke her for her five husbands.  that is KJV you know.  and even greater, it comes under the New Testament.
 
p.s.  Notice how they shoved all my Scripture-full messages aside and forget them, to carry on with their foolish, man-made junk.

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