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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 10/2/2007 4:18 AM

~~ In The Name Of ~~

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

1Sam 17:45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

Mt 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

Mt 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Ac 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.

Ac 9:28 And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.

Ac 9:29 And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.

1Cor 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

1co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Cor 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

(What ever we do, we must do IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS. So all of our names is the name of Jesus, according to a certain false doctrine.)

2Thes 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us

Jas 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Ac 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

Ac 5:40 And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

1Sam 17:45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

De 18:5 For the LORD thy God hath chosen him out of all thy tribes, to stand to minister in the name of the LORD, him and his sons for ever. De 18:6 And if a Levite come from any of thy gates out of all Israel, where he sojourned, and come with all the desire of his mind unto the place which the LORD shall choose;

De 18:7 Then he shall minister in the name of the LORD his God, as all his brethren the Levites do, which stand there before the LORD.

De 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

De 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

De 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

De 21:5 And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them the LORD thy God hath chosen to minister unto him, and to bless in the name of the LORD; and by their word shall every controversy and every stroke be tried:

1Sam 17:45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

1Sam 20:42 And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying, The LORD be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city.

2Sam 6:18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts.

1ki 18:31 And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:

1ki 18:32 And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.

1ki 22:16 And the king said unto him, How many times shall I adjure thee that thou tell me nothing but that which is true in the name of the LORD?

 

2Kings 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

1Chr 16:2 And when David had made an end of offering the burnt offerings and the peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD.

1Chr 21:19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of the LORD.

2Chr 33:18 Now the rest of the acts of Manasseh, and his prayer unto his God, and the words of the seers that spake to him in the name of the LORD God of Israel, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel.

Ezr 5:1 Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them.

Ps 20:5 We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the LORD fulfil all thy petitions.

Ps 118:10 All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD will I destroy them.

Ps 118:11 They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD I will destroy them. Ps 118:12 They compassed me about like bees; they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of the LORD I will destroy them.

Ps 129:8 Neither do they which go by say, The blessing of the LORD be upon you: we bless you in the name of the LORD.

Jer 26:9 Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the LORD, saying, This house shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the LORD.

Jer 26:16 Then said the princes and all the people unto the priests and to the prophets; This man is not worthy to die: for he hath spoken to us in the name of the LORD our God.

Jer 26:20 And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of the LORD, Urijah the son of Shemaiah of Kirjathjearim, who prophesied against this city and against this land according to all the words of Jeremiah:

Jer 44:16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee.

Mic 4:5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever

Zec 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

1Sam 17:45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

Do you see, as I do, a little something amiss with a certain teaching, which claims that when Jesus said, I am come in my Father’s name, that this means that Jesus is the name of the father? If that is what the statement means, then surely many others in Scripture must also claim the very same thing.

David, for instance. He said, 1Sam 17:45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

See, here David made the same claim that Jesus did�?I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts. So then we must place all Scripture in harmony with all other Scripture. So this surely must mean that David is the name of the LORD of hosts.

Those lying prophets in Zec 13 had to also be the name of the Lord, for they were speaking in the name of the LORD. Here we find many names of the Lord. Gad, Jeremiah, Manasseh, Haggai, Zechariah, and many others, all spoke in the name of the Lord. So then they were in the very same position as Jesus. Then Manasseh is the name of the Father, or Lord. David said the very same words to the giant as Jesus said, “I come to thee in the name of the LORD.�?/P>

The Levites were blessing in the name of the LORD, so then Levi has to be the name of the LORD?

Paul spoke many things in the name of the Lord Jesus, so then Paul is the name of the Lord Jesus. I mean, there is no difference in this wording. If it means that Jesus is the name of the Father, then it also means that David is the name of the Lord, and Paul is the name of Jesus Christ.

Seems to me that Jesus-only doctrine has not sought for the real truth of God’s Word. They have taken one single statement and made up a total false church or doctrine from it, due to a total lack of studying of God’s Word, which they falsely claim to have.

I have given to you, in this message, proof that many other men in Scripture also came in the name of the LORD of hosts, God. Why does the Jesus-only church not consider that all of these men who came in the name of the Lord, that their name is also the name of the LORD of hosts? Why have they just decided to claim that Jesus is the name of the Father, when David also said, I come in the name of the LORD? Why is David not the name of the Father? Why is Jeremiah or Elijah not the name of the LORD? They came and spoke in the name of the LORD, which is the Father? So did all the other prophets speak or come in the name of the LORD. Then each of them has a right to claim that their name is the name of the LORD.

Judge righteous judgment if you must judge. Either get to the truth of God’s Word or stop claiming you can teach it or interpret it. You must bring it all together, in perfect harmony, not causing any conflict with other Scriptures, in order to have truth. I say the Jesus-only doctrine has made ‘ship-wreck�?of the above verses. I say they made up a total false doctrine and with this false doctrine, have deceived millions of simple souls, because none of them have taken the time to honestly study the Word of God, as Jesus told us to do.

By: Jo Smith *** Oct. 1, 2007



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/3/2007 1:42 AM
Do you realize that no one called God his Father in the Old Testament?   There is no such words as,  "God the Father"  in the OT.  Wonder why?
 
There are no such words as God The Son in all the Bible.  Wonder why?
There are no such words as God the Holy Ghost in all the Bible.  wonder why?
 
Sons of God are mentioned only twice in Genesis, before the flood.  They disappeared then until Jesus came.
Sons of God are mentioned three times in the Book of Job, but it is speaking of back before the flood, or at some time in heaven.
 
the OT Men were not sons of God after that flood.  They disappeared and only sons of men were found in the Word.
 
None of them could call God their FATHER.
 
He was not their FATHER.  he was their Lord, but not their Father.
 
Jesus is the only one who ever came in the NAME OF THE FATHER.
 
Since Jesus, we must come in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
The father is now resting and Jesus is ruling in the NT.  We must work through Jesus and him only.  We cannot go to the Father.
Jesus is our father.  He is our God.
HE is our Lord.  God is his Father.  God is his LORD.
 
In the Name of ....means the power by which we may work.
 
I pray in the name of Jesus.  So then, is Jo the name of Jesus?
 
People do teach such foolish doctrine!!  We only can become sons of God again through Jesus Christ.
 
David came in the name of the LORD.  Jesus came in the name of the Father.
 
God was his father.  God said I will be to him a father, and he will be to me a son.
 
The jesusonly doctrine does away with this glorious truth.  so does the trinity lie.
 
One is the Father and the other is the Son.

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From: freeborn11Sent: 10/3/2007 2:42 PM
well, hello again.
 
Proved you CANNOT take any truth!  I knew you could not take the pure word much longer.
 
Post it to the world.  No one here is seeking any truth, for when it is put in your faces, you reject it and run and can do nothing but spew out evil, ugly name calling.
 
But see, you could not keep me out if you wished to do so.
 
but do not fear,  I will not stay.  Had not intended to come back before, but you had to goad me into it. 
 
 I have no desire to deal with such evil speaking dogs.  Knew you could not discuss Scripture.  You have none to deal with.  that is really what you hate, not me.  You hate it that I have pure Scripture to teach, and you have none.
 
So now.  Slander me on and on.  but you proved you cannot take any truth.  You are sons of Satan.
 
Satan is a MALE you know.  he is not a female.
 
Jesus is the seed of the WOMAN, EVE, you know.
 
So hate her on, too.  Jesus put down the men from their SEATS,   (means place of rulership, you know,)  and EXHALTED them of low degree,  (means the trodden down WOMEN, you know).
 
So go fight with HIM.  He did it.
 
He sent a flood because of men taking more than one wife, you know.
 
No Sons of God existed since then, until Jesus came, preaching that it must go back to the beginning, of the WIFE being the one and only one.
Wife of youth  = wife of the Covenant.  Mal.
 
What Covenant?  Grace.  The one you father, old Satan Adam threw away.
 
So no one is in Grace who has two.
 
And don't forget,  Jesus called it FIVE HUSBANDS.
 
sO YOU Ladies,  go get yourselves five husbands.
 
After all,  Jesus did not rebuke her for having FIVE HUSBANDS.
 
Watch out.  Here comes the foaming-at-the-mouth, mad dogs!
 
By, by.  enjoy yourselves.  Hell awaits you at the end of the way.  You have rejected the Grace Covenant, for the dead old law covenant.
and you wish to teach others to do the same.  bad, bad, bad you.
 
FREEBORN