Jesus: And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. - Mark 10:12
Scannerman777: Let's call a spade a spade. What of the woman who puts away her husband 'unjustly'? I believe that this is still a valid question. The words of our Lord Jesus say: And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. While I would concede that any woman who is put away unjustly bears a false charge, it is verily her husband who is guilty of adultery by and through his own deceit and treachery, even in bearing false witness against his own flesh. She is still his wife. He has falsely charged his lawful wife because he put her away without CAUSE and is thereby automatically guilty as he charges his own flesh. Now I realize that this view may not be popular but the law of l'basar echad is full Bible truth. All these verses in the Holy Bible must stack up evenly with the rest of the verses touching this subject. This scripture cannot contradict scripture and it is by this precept that we know that the CAUSE is fornication under the law. Some call this CAUSE a "clause" and the scripture also uses the word "EXCEPT" as Christ's own expression. Jesus cannot lie. All of the scripture must agree together. Married women too, are capable of dealing treacherously with their husbands. My point: None of this adultery can be found in Jesus. Someone in these cited examples would be outside of God and the scripture says that a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases.
KIKI: This could very well be speaking to polygamous situations. That is the major reason why I refuse to say that there is absolutely no such thing as godly polygyny. However, that does not mean that I agree that a single saved man may chose for himself more than one wife, or that a believing husband currently in a godly marriage may take unto himself another wife. According to these verses:
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
Scannerman777: What the "single saved man" must know is that he must be prepared to receive what gifts God has deemed proper for him. As it is written: "For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that." [1Corinthians 7:7] Therefore if a man hath the gift of a wife (whosoever findeth a wife findeth a good thing) or the gift of celibacy (as Paul did) the married man and single man alike must be content with the gifts that God gave him in addition to the calling wherein he was called. Therefore let all things be done in due season and defraud not. Likewise not all women are identical. Times of consent are a blessing to those who surely embrace them in prayer and fasting. In marriage communication is rarely optional; hence this permission granted to Paul. [1Corinthians 7:6]
KIKI: We even see that there is no wiggle room for either one to defraud the other by separation over anything but fasting and prayer....and that by mutual consent. Incontinency makes room for Satan. And I would say that there can be just as much defrauding going on by men as there can be by women. Let there be no men worship neither! Amen?
Scannerman777: Amen, sister. The Lord will recompense. He is able to provide. Jesus said, That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. In this respect I often feel that you almost understand precisely what I am trying to have people see. People need to understand the day at hand and why Paul stated nearly two thousand years ago: "But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none" and to learn how this actually correlates with Isaiah 4. You seem to be catching onto it but I find that not many believers do. Sadly, today we will find modern churches leaning on the ungodly government for tax breaks and relinquishing the duty of godly CHARITY toward the UNMARRIED and the WIDOWED and the FATHERLESS CHILDREN to Caesar and the secular humanists, rather than bearing these in the humility and grace of proper and godly marriage within the church. It is selfish.
KIKI: As far as what might constitute just cause between believers for either departing or putting away, we have to go to the fornication exception given by Jesus in order to ascertain the matter perfectly. Still, you have the condition imposed on both believers to remain unmarried or suffer the charge of adultery. In fact, the wife is charged with adultery for simply being put away unjustly.
Scannerman777: As I have stated repeatedly, the charge is false and the accuser is not of God. Treachery is deceitful. Any adulterous man or woman also bears the sin of idolatry in a false witness. The burden of such an imposition is not from the Lord. We can do nothing against the truth but for the truth but we must not hold the truth in unrighteousness. The scripture does not forbid marriage (without divorcement) to the husband who is departed from (put away) by an unbelieving spouse. Again: Adultery is defined by the marital status of the woman involved -- not the man. Any man touching another man's wife to lust after her is an adulterer and any wife who gives herself to another man who is not her husband is an adulteress. This standard honors and protects the sanctity of godly women and men much more than the modern (unbiblical) definition of the word. It would follow that with respect to "putting away" the lawful cause should be fornication -- just as Christ stated.
KIKI: That being said, kindly tell me how a godly wife might perceive this happening in her godly husband's heart: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Scannerman777: This is a splendid opportunity to witness Full Bible Truth in action. If we were to embrace this scripture to the exclusion of all other scriptures we would quickly discover that all natural affection was adultery. Of course this would also be redefining the scripture and calling God a liar. If a man looks on his own wife to "lust after her", has he committed adultery with her in his heart? Obviously then, reading the words of Christ in full context and lining them up with all of the scriptures touching on the subject of adultery will give us a full understanding of Christ's words Matthew 5, where it is also written: "Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." This lines up with our Lord's answer to the Pharisees who tried to trap him with the matter of divorcing for every and any cause, thus exposing the hardness of their hearts. Except Matthew 5:28 refers to an attitude of lust toward another man's wife, this reference cannot constitute spiritual adultery or we would make God a liar. All adultery is produced by the influence of an unclean spirit. Adultery is never godly.
KIKI: I will grant leeway to spiritualize adultery in this case, for we are all in the Bride of Christ, married to Him in spirit regardless of our status in the flesh. It almost needs to be spiritualized because there is no marital status stated in this verse, not for the man nor the woman. That is why I say that a godly wife is well able to perceive such uncleanness entering into her marriage, both fleshly and spiritually. She has been made by God, after all, one flesh with her husband. If it is possible for a godly woman to ascertain for herself from her spiritual Husbandman that a second godly woman is being added to her earthly but also godly husband without lust, then I might acquiesce to the possibility that polygyny could be a godly choice for believers in this current dispensation. If not, then get ready to be pinned to the mat!
I see that we are on the same page once again. Nonetheless it is not in your power, neither do you, or I, have the authority to grant any leeway to spiritualize anything at all. As much as mankind would continue to ignore those things of the spirit and reduce them to the things of the flesh, it is a fact that that which was manifest in the flesh was first manifest in spirit. Although it may be true that our modern English linguists are doing all that is in their power to eliminate the distinction in terminology for a virgin, a maiden, a wife, and an harlot, the Holy Bible does no such thing. Nature itself teaches us that a man will remain sexually "clean" provided that his wives remain faithful to him and that he remains faithful to his wives. Neither do I advocate "permission slip polygyny" - no wriggle room - consent comes from on high.
The actual danger of "uncleanness" exists outside of the sanctification and the protection of godly marriage; in adultery and in fornication. It is evident in the scripture that Hagar and Keturah did not render Sarah or Abraham "unclean" only because Abraham's three wives were indeed l'basar echad with Abraham. I find that the same holds true for Jacob, Moses, Gideon, King David, or any of the godly patriarchs as well. No reference to "uncleaness" exists in this respect.
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