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From: MSN NicknameJacobs_Trouble  in response to Message 1Sent: 2/18/2007 7:23 AM
What therefore God hath joined together let not man put assunder.
 
Yup. Sounds good to me. Sounds to me like God is in that equation. Now what's this bit of double-talk you're peddling about sojourners and such nonsense that no longer applies to us today? Tsk* Tsk* The way you carry on, you'd think the seed of Cain stowed away on Noah's Ark. I thought that you said that stuff no longer applies to us. I guess you don't consider yourself a Jew. That's okay because I don't think you are either.
 
"And to this  "God hath joined together"   you surmise that the persons must be holy persons for a man and woman to be joined together by God. This is not true.  The gift of marriage and everything that goes with it; was given to the entire human family in the garden when God seen that it was not good for man to dwell alone." - says Dolly 
 
Yup. Probably the first ordinance of God to Man and Woman. In case you did not notice, it was called ONE FLESH.  d'x,a r'f'b.l
 
"At no point did he take away the permission to marry. So if they inherited the permission to marry, as evil as they might be otherwise, their marital  engagements will not be held against them, providing the details of the relationship is not spoken against in the scriptures." - says Dolly.

But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. Matthew 19:11

Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 1 Corinthians 7:1

Now there's the clincher:  It could not be "spoken against in the scriptures". Yes. Very good, but you really have to do much better than that to convince old scannerman that you have the truth. The scriptures say that if a man joins an harlot the two become one flesh also. I suppose that you would also like to think that this is godly, sanctified, and undefiled, marriage but I don't. And if a man takes another man's wife, that isn't godly, holy, or sanctified either; neither is it ordained of God. They call that "adultery",  by the way. So you see, not all marriage is godly, holy, sanctified, or undefiled, no matter how much you want it to be.  

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 1 Corinthians 6:15-16

But I agree that it is a "marriage" (union) of a sort, after a type, a shadow, under that old covenant of the flesh, ONE FLESH, to be precise. I don't think that it is very godly.

"And to this  "God hath joined together"   you surmise that the persons must be holy persons for a man and woman to be joined together by God. This is not true. The gift of marriage and everything that goes with it; was given to the entire human family in the garden when God seen that it was not good for man to dwell alone. At no point did he take away the permission to marry.  So if they inherited the permission to marry, as evil as they might be otherwise, their marital  engagements will not be held against them, providing the details of the relationship is not spoken against in the scriptures". - says Dolly  

I understand that you want all marriage to be justified in the eyes of God but it just isn't so - not REAL marriage... not GODLY marriage. I know how much you would prefer to glory in your flesh before God in this but sister, it just doesn't wash. God isn't interested in your tokens of flesh and blood or even in the condition of your bed sheets anymore. Jesus is the GENUINE COVENANT now. If you don't have Him you really don't have a marriage. Oh sure, you may have "one flesh" at best. If you want to call that "marriage" you go right ahead... the sodomites and catamites and lesbians are right beside you on that one. Go stand with them. The flesh profiteth nothing.

The children of this world marry and are given in marriage because they join in the flesh and are given to join in the flesh but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Now pay attention:

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Hebrews 13:4

Did you get that? I hope you did. Does it say, "all marriage is honourable"? NOPE. It says, "marriage is honourable in all". What sort of marriage is honourable in all? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. So what sort of "marriage is honourable in all" ? One flesh? I hardly think so. Is taking another man's wife honourable? Is it sanctified? Is it holy and undefiled? I think not.

Now let me grab the back of your neck and show you some more of the hole I was talking about.

Keep your hands to yourself, you filthy-minded woman. Nothing good can come out of the hole you are talking about. Keep it covered because so far, all that has come out of it stinks to high heaven. I know of sodomites that put up better arguments and they stink too. Wash ye, and make ye clean.

  Gen 4:16 states that Cain WENT OUT from the presence of the LORD.

  The very next verse says

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch. Then five generations later, Cain's great, great, great grandson (who was a murderer like his grandpa) took two wives, the first polygamy in the human family, and we agree on something, it was lawful, even tho everyone of the descendents of this second murderer drowned in the Flood. 

Apparently you're assuming that Lamech was the first man to have more than one wife, but the scripture says nothing of the sort. If God wanted us to know who the first man to take more than one wife was, the Bible would have made it clear that it was the first time such a thing happened. You assume too much. Just like you would assume that all union in the flesh is godly marriage or genuine. Do you really think that the Holy Spirit is optional??? This is the lamest argument against two wives I've heard yet. Do you also believe that we should be back in the garden chewing on roots and berries, buck naked, and romping with the animals? Precedence is no justification for what you're trying to prove here. In the beginning there was no divorcement because there was NO SIN.  And regarding that last generation of Cain's sinner kids . . . . .  

Who cares about this last generation of sinner kids??? The only thing important about the sinner kids is that those silly goats need to get saved before they can join the flock. That's what I care about and that's what Jesus cares about. You remind me of some kind of tattle-tale sinner kid yourself, screaming and pointing in the direction of those dirty sinner kids when you don't even brush your teeth! So wrapped up in the sins of Cain's grandchildren in your own self-righteousness that you have obviously forgotten the first works! 

Unless your beloved sinner kids repent of their sins, get baptised in Jesus name, and get filled with the Holy Ghost, their marriage is full of fornication, they will die in their sins, they won't make it to the MARRIAGE, and they're gonna get cast out! Now go wash your mouth and keep that hole closed until something better comes out of it. Shame on you! Your husband should give you a good spanking. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me to discover who wears the pants and who is donning the tutu. You're right. Stay here with the rest of the stinkers who ran over here with you. You don't want to debate with Jacobs Trouble. If you stepped into Full Bible Truth your garments would be so filthy everyone there would have to smile and hold their noses. Jacobs Trouble would probably feel so sorry for you that he might be obligated to give you a proper burial.

Jesus said that they:  married wives, and they were given in marriage. (Luke 17:27)

Jesus said it, so believe it, cause it's true.

Not once did Jesus call this GODLY MARRIAGE. Not once did He say it was sanctified. Not once did He call it clean, and not once did He say that it was undefiled. STOP glorying in your flesh and get down to some serious repentance. Please don't tell me that you also believe the Church is the Son. Wait a minute... You embrace this filthy doctrine of devils too??? Well, no wonder!