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From: MSN NicknameJacobs_Trouble  (Original Message)Sent: 11/15/2008 10:51 AM
Lord have mercy! Do you even read any of my replies to you PENNY, or are you just another one of those robotic ARMSTRONGIAN ZOMBIE-DRONES from THE N.W.O. WORLD-WIDE CHURCH of DOGS. Penny, do you serve the GOD of VOLUNTARY IGNORANCE? Are you even capable of independent thought, or do you just come in here to spam on this page only those things that your trained brain has been conditioned to churn out with Herbert W. Armstrong's subliminal mind control and transendental rote memorization program.. program.. program... program... program... program... only to regurgitate like a ROBOT over and over again.
 
Helloooooooo... Anybody home???
 
Why are you defending the lies of a world known adulterer and child molester who never repented of his false doctrine??? Herbert W. Armstrong is as DEAD as his false doctrine!!! JESUS came to give us life and to give us life more abundantly. You keep quoting the words of a lying pervert as though they were your own and you quote them verbatim... A man, Penny... Who had sex with his own daughter during the course of his ministry and remarried while condemning the very thing he did, committed adultery with another man's wife, and failed to live according to half the things he went on about, all during the course of his ministry! The reason why he had sex with so many other women is because he was in denial of GOD's own truth! The TRUTH is a GRANDE THING. It isn't just the PLAIN OLDE TRUTH... IT's GOD's OWN TRUTH! Armstrong was destroyed because he lived in denial of GOD's HOLY WORD! He was too proud to face up to the facts. Wake up!!! Please learn the price of iniquity: This is precisely what happens to the pastors, and to the youth pastors, to the elders, to the deacons, to the bishops, PASTOR'S WIVES, and all who would smugly lift up their hearts in fleshly pride, a lying and perverse doctrine! The writing is on the wall! Think. Why are so many in the BODY today, riddled with adultery and fornication? 

A: They continually hold the truth in unrighteousness and they lie about MARRIAGE even as Armstrong did! "I WILL RECOMPENSE", saith the LORD! 

 
Penny4yourthoughts, you are to be corrected. You will not be permitted to spew filthy lies and the words of perverts like Herbert W. Armstrong on this site indefinitely, Penny for my thoughts... I asked you to bring your husband. HAVE YOU NO HUSBAND? Penny, it is important to me to know that we are communicating here, sister. I am imploring you to please use your GOD-given brain: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I cannot believe that you have stooped to the LAMECH 'SCUSE of an old pervert! Are you related to the Armstrong family? Since you keep offering work that isn't even yours, I will do the same in recognition of a writer I happen to admire and respect, though I think him to be somewhat arrogant. Mark Henkel surely has truer doctrine than the one you keep quoting verbatim without given your source of propaganda proper credit for his lies. There is a man known as "MARK the FOUNDER", to whom I must give credit for his nomer for this sort of short-sighted logic you resort to. Mark Henkel calls it the "LAMECH 'SCUSE"- a well-founded term for voluntary ignorance - and I verily commend the author for his brilliance and gift for exposing it for what it is.

OBSERVE CAREFULLY

(Actually try reading the words this time.)



Lamech `scuse Lamech `scuse Oftentimes, in an attempt to try to disprove that polygamy is Biblical, some people hastily resort to what TruthBearer.org's Mark the Founder has termed (as that organization's copyright phrase), The "Lamech `scuse" © The Biblical passage used in the "Lamech `scuse" © (Lamech excuse) is Genesis 4:19-24. "And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah. And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle. And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold. (Genesis 4:19-24.) Because that passage is the first explicitly recorded example of a polygamist in the Bible, and because Lamech was a murderer, the "Lamech `scuse" © makes a false association between polygamy and murder that never exists. That is, it asserts that, because the first explicitly recorded example of polygamy in the Bible is associated with that of a murderer, that somehow "proves" that polygamy, itself, IS sin. The absurdity of this "Lamech `scuse" © is quickly evident, however. If one were to follow the same logic-flow, then the following likewise examples also would have to be "true". Namely, the logic-flow would also establish that, because the first recorded child born of a woman was a murderer (i.e., Cain, who was Lamech's ancestor!), this same logic (or, rather, the lack thereof) would require saying that having children is (somehow) sin too! Even beyond that, that same Genesis 4:19-24 passage itself also reveals that, if one applies this same logic (or, rather, the lack thereof), one would equally have to say that the following are also (somehow) sinful, due to these particular matters being the first recorded examples and because they are so recorded as associated with that of the murderer Lamech and his family: dwelling in tents, having cattle, harps, organs, and artificers in brass and iron. Obviously, that is wholly absurd. Truly, no one would suggest that these other matters are somehow sinful simply because of being the first recorded examples in the Bible thereof and of being associated with the murderer Lamech! To use a modern colloquialism in the United States, this attempted and extremely weak argument to try to use against polygamy is clearly a very "lame excuse" indeed. It is truly the "Lamech `scuse". © Mark Henkel

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Mark was right. That is exactly what it is. The Stepford Wives have nothing on those zombies who become the automatons of the LAMECH 'SCUSE ©Mark Henkel .



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From: MSN NicknameJacobs_TroubleSent: 11/15/2008 11:30 PM

Back in the early 80's I used to subscribe to a free publication called THE PLAIN TRUTH MAGAZINE. It had alot of good articles and alot of good doctrine. The FOUNDER of this particular organization was a man by the name of HERBERT W. ARMSTRONG. Today, I was recently researching this person and my findings were nothing short of shocking. I would like to share some of those findings here and also credit my source for this. Any additional input would be greatly appreciated. THANKYOU.

JT

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Would you lift up the words of Herbert W. Armstrong? 

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The towering sin of hypocrisy, deceit, lying and immorality continued right up until Herbert Armstrong’s last years. Robinson wrote in 1980, “Herbert Armstrong has been in love�?a number of times during the past decade.  He said himself he had been ‘in love�?with Amy [his secretary on the fourth floor of the Hall of Administration] when she was 25 years old.  He reported this to a group at Big Sandy in 1974.  He did say, when it was over, that he thought it might have been infatuation. “But earlier there had been the young Filipino girl whom he had brought over to this country, according to widespread reports.  However, he never did bring her to church with him!  He apparently kept her under wraps�?(p. 88). Along these lines, a former evangelist in the Worldwide Church of God �?Albert J. Portune �?told me personally that Herbert Armstrong had brought two Filipino girls to the U.S. and had put them in an apartment in Pasadena �?nobody knows what for.  However, later upon learning that one of the girls had found another boy friend, her own age, he grew furious and shipped them back to the Philippines!  Knowing about his preoccupation with sex, the purpose those nubile young girls served for him seems rather obvious.

Another woman, secretary to the head of the Personal Correspondence Department manager some years ago, told my wife and I she was privy to a mysterious secret concerning Herbert Armstrong.  This woman’s credentials and respectability are impeccable.  She told us that one day an elderly woman who was a Church member came into the office to the Richard Rice, the minister in charge.  She later began talking to her.  She had something very serious on her mind.  She told her she lived in an apartment house in Pasadena, and across the hall from her own apartment there lived a known prostitute.  She knew the woman was a prostitute. One day, she saw two men �?whom she says were Stanley Rader and Herbert Armstrong �?go into that woman’s apartment.  She was shocked.  Floored.  So the next time she saw them coming, she stood in front of the other woman’s door, barring their way.  When they asked her why she was there, she explained that she didn’t think God’s apostle should be visiting a prostitute!  They denied that they were aware that the woman was a prostitute, and beat a hasty retreat, and she never saw them there again. However, the incident so distressed this elderly church woman, that she felt she had to confide in someone �?and that is the reason she showed up at the office of the Personal Correspondence Department, to speak with the minister.
 

 Herbert Armstrong Remarries
 
Herbert Armstrong remarried when he was in his mid-80s.  Ramona Martin, his new wife, was a divorcee who was in her forties.  What few realize, however, is that there is evidence which would have come out at their divorce proceedings which would have shown that Herbert and Ramona were sleeping together, having a sexual relationship, as much as THREE YEARS prior to their ‘legalizing�?their relationship! Herbert Armstrong, who was 91 in 1984, divorced his wife Ramona, 45 years of age, on May 11 of that year, after seven years of marriage.  After a bitter divorce fight, the couple settled out of court, thus ending their seven-year-old marriage. In the divorce proceedings, reported the Los Angeles Times (May 12, 1984), “Armstrong’s lawyers had sought to limit evidence of a sexual nature.�?nbsp; Ramona’s “attorneys felt such evidence was crucial, however, to their case.  According to Ramona’s attorney, the couple had an understanding�?about Herbert’s “prior incestuous conduct with his daughter for many years.�?/FONT> Ramona’s own intimate relationship with Herbert Armstrong predated their marriage by a number of years, according to Ambassador Report.  The Report asserted in the April 1984 issue, “In recent months Ramona has admitted to friends that she and Herbert maintained a sexual relationship for THREE FULL YEARS PRIOR TO THEIR MARRIAGE�?(emphasis mine). The Ambassador Report article continues, “At some point along the way Ramona had some misgivings and so asked Herbert what he would do if he discovered some man in the church was involved in a non- marital sexual relationship with one of the church women.  He answered that he would immediately disfellowship them both.  'But, questioned Ramona, ‘isn’t  what we are doing also wrong?�?To her surprise Herbert said, ‘No.�?nbsp; When she asked why, Herbert explained, ‘Because I am an Apostle!’�?/FONT>
 
During the divorce trial, Ramona said she was sterilized in 1976 at Herbert Armstrong’s insistence. (In The Tangled Web, David Robinson claimed Herbert Armstrong admitted this same thing to him personally.)  However, Herbert and Ramona were not married until April 1977! This “footnote�?to the marriage of the elderly “apostle�?to the younger woman provides further insight into the thinking of Herbert Armstrong.  Why did Herbert insist Ramona become sterilized in 1976, unless they were already having sexual relations at that time?  Was he afraid that Ramona might become pregnant, while they were still unmarried, and he might be the father of a bastard child?  Was he remembering the fact that his own son got Shirley pregnant before they were married, and the shame and consternation it caused him at the time?  We can only guess at the answers, until those who were involved are more forthcoming. However, when I stop to think about these shocking, disturbing revelations about a man many believed was “God’s true apostle�?for this end-time generation, I can only shake my head for sadness and grief, at the sad spectacle of a man of God straying so far from God and His commandments! Both David Robinson, author of Tangled Web, and John Trechak, publisher and writer of Ambassador Report, are men of impeccable veracity and truth.  John himself studied at Loyola Marymount to become a lawyer.
 
Truly, as David lamented the fate of Saul, "How are the mighty fallen!" The sex life of Herbert Armstrong would normally be something of a private nature, something the public would not be interested in. However, when a public figure such as Herbert Armstrong preaches one thing and lives in a totally inconsistent manner, that is something else again.  For fifty years or longer, Herbert Armstrong preached the Word of God.  He stood for chastity, fidelity, and thundered against adultery, fornication, and sexual vices.  For many years, he claimed the marriage relationship was a �?FONT size=3>GOD PLANE RELATIONSHIP.�?Yet when it came to his own life, the truth becomes much more mundane, carnal, worldly, and physical.
As shocking and unbelievable as it may seem to many who read this, because of the enormous respect they have held toward Herbert Armstrong, the sad facts of the case are that he was much less than he appeared in public.  His private life reads more like a lurid novel fantasy, than the life of a true, bona fide servant of God.  How long will some allow blinders to cover their eyes?  How long will entire churches build their foundation on this errant “apostle,�?a foundation of quick-sand, claiming to be his divinely-appointed “successors�?  
 
Other men who knew Herbert Armstrong personally, testify to his being drunk and inebriated on many occasions.  One former minister, Dale Hampton, himself a recovered alcoholic, told audiences that in fact Herbert Armstrong was an “alcoholic.�?nbsp; After Herbert heard this, he canceled Hampton’s special ministerial program dealing with alcoholics in the Church. Al Carrozzo sums up the truth in these poignant words: “During this time I maintained a wait-and-see attitude.  It was difficult to make myself believe that the two men I respected most �?Garner Ted and Herbert Armstrong �?were total frauds! 

It was even more difficult for me to believe that Herbert was less than 100% sincere and honest.  However, on May 22, 1973, at 1 p.m., Ted left me with no doubts as to his father's real motivation, intentions, and modus operandi. In a private, three-hour meeting in his office, Ted told me he specifically disagreed with his father on many issues, including doctrine.  He explained that his dad desperately wanted to be accepted by the world, and that was the reason he was traveling around the world continuously, seeking the favor and audience of world leaders.“Ted admitted that he had seen his father 'stone drunk' on dozens of occasions.  He stated that his father had told him that he (Herbert) would do anything to keep the ‘Work�?afloat �?including lying, stealing, and bribery.  I was shocked, of course, but I later saw Herbert 'stoned' on several occasions and caught him in numerous lies.  I began to see those lies in his member and co-worker letters, and these lies have to this very day�?(“The Profligate Son,�?ibid., p.46-47).
 
Shocking as these statements no doubt are, to many people, Carrozzo continued his person account: “The year 1973 was one of revelation for me.  I learned of Ted’s profound and long-enduring sexual activities.  Herbert's total cover-up, corruption at the highest level in the WCG, Herbert’s pleasure blasts around the world under the guise of preaching the true gospel, squandering of vast sums of money on extravagant art treasures, exploitation of gullible and hard-pressed people, gross doctrinal error, and suppression of human beings mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually.  Yes 1973 proved to me that dishonesty was a way of life with Ted and his father, and that way of life hasn't changed to this very day�?(p.47).
 
Al Carrozzo came to his conclusion back in 1973.  Of course, much more evidence of sin and dishonesty have come to the forefront since that time, over 30 years ago! When I read first-hand accounts of the many “sins�?of a man who claimed to be “God’s apostle�?on this earth during these end times, and who on occasion hinted or led others to believe that he was the “prophesied Elijah to come�?at the very end of this age, I could only shake my head in sadness and utter disgust.  What a legacy! How could such a man be “Elijah�?  How could entire churches today literally revere his memory and idolize him?  Personally, when I think of the evil things he did, and how abusive he often was in the conduct of his ministry, and unfair in judgment, I can only think of the terrible words of Christ Himself who said, in a prophecy for the days just before His second coming,
“But and if that EVIL SERVANT shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to SMITE his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the DRUNKEN; the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, and shall CUT HIM ASUNDER, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites:  there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth�?(Matt.24:48-51).
 
For years I suffered in silence and said nothing.  I watched as the Church drifted away from some of the foundational principles of the Word of God.  I watched, horrified, as Herbert Armstrong compounded error on error, and at times falsely accused and attacked his fellow servants.  For years I saw his famous volcanic temper work its way.  I saw him threaten, bully, and bluster others in sheer indomitable intimidation.

 
I kept silence.  What could I do about it?  What could I say?  Who would listen to me?

 
SOURCE: http://triumphpro.com/elijah-and-hwa.htm



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From: MSN NicknameJacobs_TroubleSent: 11/16/2008 4:15 AM

 Do You Remember�?/EM>

HERBERT W. ARMSTRONG?

Over 20 years later the message of his false and failing prophecies continues. But where—and by whom?

Through The False Truth magazine and The New World Order program, David C. Pack, of  The Restored Church of Dogs, is announcing the same apostasy and providing the same plain old answers that take you to hell!