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NEO-FEMINISM : DIALOUGE WITH NEO-FEMINIST MATRIARCH (Part One)
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From: MSN Nicknamescannerman777  in response to Message 1Sent: 11/26/2006 6:25 PM

CONCLUSION

Jacobs_Trouble: To each man, his proper gift. In reading the story of Jacob it is not difficult to learn that an appropriate wife for the people of that day was a rare and precious thing. It should not come as any surprise that Isaac likely only had one wife. Nonetheless these words of yours, "only one wife" are not found in the scripture concerning Isaac either. Monogamy is not a sin. Neither is godly polygyny. Both equate to godly marriage in the Lord when it is received from the hand of God. David did not sin in receiving wives (plural) from the hand of God. Neither did Gideon. Saul and Solomon sinned: Saul followed after pagan gods as did Solomon, who multiplied wives instead of allowing the Lord to add wives unto him. 

Neo-Feminist: It is true that it was a worldly custom, in OT times, and in the days of the Kingdom of Isreal, for kings and wealthy men to take several wives. But God FORBADE polygamy for the kings of Israel.

Jacobs_Trouble:  Do you speak falsely with deliberation or did someone only teach you to spread such lies? Of course it is as you say, God did permit this custom among His people and the world. Never once did the LORD God FORBID godly polygyny ever! ... especially for the kings and men of Israel unto whom He added wives himself. You will not find such words in all the scripture. Please stop adding to the word of God. Please read the scripture as it is written that the Lord might open your eyes to FULL BIBLE TRUTH.

Neo-Feminist:  Hosea and other prophets constantly dwell upon the thought of monogamous marriage as being a symbol of the union of God and His people, and denounce idolatry as unfaithfulness to this spiritual marriage tie.

Jacobs_Trouble: Hosea and the other prophets constantly dwell on holiness unto God. Mandatory monogamy was not even a concept for them. It was unthinkable. None of these men have ever equated godly polygyny with adultery and fornication as you have done. You are projecting and reading your own personal words into the scripture and thereby blinding others from the true gospel message. Your insecurity is fear based. There is no love in this. You fear that godly men will take their rightful place in the Lord as lords over ladies in a plurality of wives. You fear that you will not be good enough for your own husband for you to keep him controlled and under your thumb because you want to be his "one and only". ONLY GOD is truly worthy to be any man's ONE AND ONLY. The neo-feminist spirit that controls you desires it to be the other way around. Is it any wonder that this self-same spirit also desired that Eve should rule over Adam to the extent that even the Lord HIMSELF should subject himself to be trampled under the feet of filthy men, all for the love of a woman to be ... RULED BY A SERPENT???

THINK ABOUT IT. This is a total inversion and perversion of the correct version that the LORD wants us to follow. Any woman demanding that she must be her husband's "one and only" secretly desires to control him and to exercise spirtual authority over him... but in the beginning it was not so. Let me tell you about the beginning. In the beginning Adam and Eve were both naked and they were not ashamed. Do you propose that we all remove our clothes permanently and follow their example? In the beginning there was only one woman and one man. Do you suggest that we all commit suicide with the exception of one man and one woman? Are you stating that we should all dispose of our homes and all our worldly possessions to get back to the garden? Dance around naked? Talk to the animals??? Do not wrestle the scriptures to your own destruction but learn to correctly divide the word of truth... or leave it alone.

Neo-Feminist:  It is spoken of as "THIS LAW" in verses 18 and 19. (Deut. 17:14, 17) THIS LAW

Jacobs_Trouble: This law is far beyond your comprehension because you call godly marriage adultery and fornication. This law is useless to you because you reject the truth. This law is an ordinance of the Levitical priesthood that is abolished and no longer pertains to this dispensation. AND for all this, "THIS LAW" does not FORBID the adding of wives unto a godly man! God will never break His own law and God added wives unto king David after "THIS LAW" was written. You surely do err not knowing the scripture. Are you sure you are Apostolic Oneness? Trinitarians have given me better arguments.

"And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh"

Neo-Feminist:  Notice, a man shall cleave to his WIFE -- not wives. And they TWO -- not he and several wives -- shall be one flesh.

Jacobs_Trouble: Where does the scripture say "not wives"? This is your own invention. Did Abraham not become one flesh with both Sarah and Hagar? Did not David become one flesh with his wives also? Do you even understand what the words "one flesh" actually mean? The scripture tells us that if a man lay with an harlot even they become ONE FLESH. In each and every case, whenever a man engages in copulation with a woman... they become ONE FLESH. Of course the twain become one flesh! How can it be otherwise? This does not mean that an husbandman cannot become ONE FLESH with a plurality of wives. Neither does it mean that God FORBADE such a thing. Fornication and adultery are sinful -- not marriage. Marriage is honourable in all. Remember???

 "What therefore GOD hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Mat. 19:4-6).

 Neo-Feminist: It is what GOD joins together. That is the definition of MARRIAGE.

Jacobs_Trouble: Glory to God! Finally some truth! And God joined together Moses and his wives (plural)... and God joined together Jacob and his wives (plural)... and God joined together David and his wives (plural)... and God joined together Gideon and his wives (plural) and on and on and on it goes...

"What therefore GOD hath joined together, let not man [or woman] put asunder"

Jacobs_Trouble: Let me assure you of this much: you will not put asunder my marriage to my wives (plural).

Neo-Feminist: God does not join together one man with LOTS of women! Any woman a man may "marry" according to man's laws, in addition to the wife GOD joined him to, is NOT his wife, so long as his real wife lives. Any additional women in polygamy...... is plain ADULTERY! Remember the scriptures against adultery???  GOD never joins the second, let alone the additional "wives." They are NOT truly wives -- they are adulteresses, and the man becomes an adulterer. THIS BREAKS GOD'S LAW. IT IS SIN.

Jacobs_Trouble:  Where did you get this out of? Some Neo-Feminist New Age Bible? It certainly isn't in my AKJV. Scripture please. Look up the term "two wives". The word of God lists it twelve times in the AKJV. If the HOLY BIBLE RECOGNIZES that a man may have two wives who gave you the authority to teach God that He is a liar?

Neo-Feminist: The marriage relationship, in the New Testament, is the type of the relationship between Christ and God's Church.  Jesus Christ will marry only ONE Church -- the True Church of GOD....and all these worldly churches will be on the outside looking in! 

Jacobs_Trouble:  Sorry to hear you won't be joining us. There's still time to change your mind. You've more than adequately demonstrated to everyone that you're capable of that much. You know, you could always repent and get saved and you don't need to worry about water baptism considering how many times you've already done that. The selfless relationship of Jesus Christ and His Bride is WONDERFUL. You don't know what you're missing. It is a plurality of a multitude too great in number for any man to count in the singularity of a Beautiful Bride. Jesus still has room for you too. That's right, even you can be ONE with Jesus and the entire multitude. He is not selfish and neither are His people. We believe in sharing His love but please don't try to interpret our Father's love with your carnal, fleshly mind. God is a Spirit and must be worshipped in spirit and in truth. We know who the HUSBANDMAN is and His law is much better than the law of the Neo-Feminist Wifewoman. Come. Taste and see that the LORD is good.

Neo-Feminist:  There will be no multiple wives and there will be NO POLYGAMIST! 

Jacobs_Trouble: Let me guess... from the Neo-Feminist New Age perVersion again, right?

"Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to Him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and HIS WIFE hath made herself ready" (Rev. 19:7).

Neo-Feminist: Polygamy is a SIN. God condemns it! It is ADULTERY!

Jacobs_Trouble: Monogamy is sinful too, if it is worldly and unsanctified. Godly polygyny is holy and good. Moses made it to heaven eventhough he had more than one wife. Jesus wants you to know that David the Polygamist also made it to heaven... and so did many other men who had a multitude of wives on earth.  You would be surprised to learn how many. Perhaps one day you will know their number.

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Revelation 7: 9-10 (AKJV)

 

... And to think that all of them will be married to Jesus in the Unity of the Bride. Are you sure you don't want to join us? There's still plenty of room left for True Worshippers.



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     re: DIALOUGE WITH NEO-FEMINIST MATRIARCH (Part One)   MSN Nicknamescannerman777  11/26/2006 7:08 PM