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From PastorswifePurity: You haven't broken any rules. I am not talking to you as "management"...I am simply talking to you as someone that is curious. As you know, I am pretty lenient in APO...for the most part. I did read some (not nearly all) of the thread. I have to say that I disagree with a lot of it. I am certainly not making a correction concerning you and I apologize if you think I am. Even though I do disagree......I am just curious by nature. And I hold very strong opinions. I realize you don't know me very well and I hope you don't think I am attacking you in any way. Because I am not. There is probably something I should tell you. In all honesty, I am not the least bit impressed with how educated a person is in the ways of the world and carnal flesh, etc....I am not the least bit impressed with the scholarship of scannerman (aka Jacobs Trouble) and Everett. I am completely disgusted with polygamy. I don't mind one bit if you guys wish to continue discussing it and I might join in from time to time. Even though you don't consider my thoughts on the topic to be a worthy force of the opposition! LOL. Please don't be offended if I am plain spoken. I am not the least bit angry.... but I find polygamy disgusting and I wouldn't be surprised if scannerman was the atheist calling himself Canada Writer. Though I certainly wouldn't accuse him of it without being sure. I'll just use my little humble, southern, biblical believing views and let the educated polygamists ones give it their best shot. Adultery is wicked! Some married couples are so hardened in their hearts that they have open-marriages (or polygamist ones). Such practices are evil and an abomination unto God. God is jealous over us, and we should be jealous over our spouse, in a godly way. Something is wrong with a wife who doesn't mind her husband being a whore monger. But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. "...but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." -Hebrews 13:4 "Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children" -2nd Peter 2:14 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts" -2nd Timothy 3:5,6 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." -Hebrews 13:4 |
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The good thing about being management in one's own forum is that one is not likely to get kicked out of it for stating what they are moved by the Holy Ghost to proclaim in the name of Jesus. For this reason I have copied the words of PastorswifePurity in my post here, into FULL BIBLE TRUTH, where my opponent is also a member and is welcome to challenge my statements without fear of getting her membership terminated simply because we don't see eye-to-eye on an issue. This is one essential difference between the management of APO and the management here, of FULL BIBLE TRUTH. For as long as the MSN GROUPS rules are followed and the name of the LORD is not disrespected, you will get a fair hearing without getting gagged or worse. My job is to generate a forum for people to share ideas, to learn what is written in the Holy Bible, and to expound on the word of God. Punishment is God's department and I am not God. I would like to begin by stating that I have two wives. My personal life and what exactly occurs in the privacy of my bed room is my own personal business but I will make no secret of the fact that I do indeed have two wives and that the Holy Bible neither condemns this practice or requires that it be done in secret. Therefore I openly proclaim the full Bible truth boldly before my God without shame. I have nothing against anyone who exercises their right to disagree with me concerning my position so long as they do not resort to calling me names or undermining the reputation of my wives. So let's begin at the beginning: " You haven't broken any rules. I am not talking to you as "management"... I am simply talking to you as someone that is curious. As you know, I am pretty lenient in APO... for the most part. I did read some (not nearly all) of the thread. I have to say that I disagree with a lot of it. I am certainly not making a correction concerning you and I apologize if you think I am. Even though I do disagree... I am just curious by nature. And I hold very strong opinions. I realize you don't know me very well and I hope you don't think I am attacking you in any way. Because I am not. " These are the words of a pastor's wife addressed to another member in her own forum. She is completely entitled to her words until she resorts to abusing the names of others to deliberately imply falsehoods and to tarnish the credibility of others in an ungodly exploit to ruin their character. I should like to point out that PastorswifePurity has been acquainted with me for nearly three years. There is no cause for this sort of defamation by her hand. No, she wasn't attacking the person that she addresses the post to - instead, she attacks me and my house as you will soon see: Well, that is all well and good because adultery is sinful and the carnal mind is indeed at enmity with God so it does not surprise me that the carnal mind would equate marriage with adultery as you will see PastorswifePurity do further into this text. She goes on to state the following: There is probably something I should tell you. In all honesty, I am not the least bit impressed with how educated a person is in the ways of the world and carnal flesh, etc.... I am not the least bit impressed with the scholarship of scannerman (aka Jacobs Trouble) and Everett. I am completely disgusted with polygamy. I don't mind one bit if you guys wish to continue discussing it and I might join in from time to time. Even though you don't consider my thoughts on the topic to be a worthy force of the opposition! LOL. Sure. She isn't impressed with the dedication and diligence with which God fearing Elders have endevored in a loyal devotion to the scripture to reveal full Bible truth. Is it any wonder that her arguments against Godly polygamy are so weak? Notice how she equates studying God's word with "the ways of the world and carnal flesh, etc." simply because she finds polygamy disgusting. Of course she does! Did she not just pronounce judgment on herself by her own admission in stating that "the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."??? But she must fill up the cup to state the following words to attack me and to defame me: "Please don't be offended if I am plain spoken. I am not the least bit angry.... but I find polygamy disgusting and I wouldn't be surprised if scannerman was the atheist calling himself Canada Writer. Though I certainly wouldn't accuse him of it without being sure." I am confident that she knows that I am not Canada Writer, a warlock who resides in eastern Canada, who brought two lesbians into APO and pronounced all manner of blasphemy in the group even after she terminated my membership in favor of keeping the servants of satan in her company. I wish that were all, but she goes on to say, " I'll just use my little humble, southern, biblical believing views and let the educated polygamists ones give it their best shot. Adultery is wicked! Some married couples are so hardened in their hearts that they have open-marriages (or polygamist ones). Such practices are evil and an abomination unto God. God is jealous over us, and we should be jealous over our spouse, in a godly way. Something is wrong with a wife who doesn't mind her husband being a whore monger." Okay, that's the last straw. I do not take kindly to people (no matter how holy they might think they are) insinuating that my wife, who was in every wit a virgin when we united together in marriage, is now an adulteress and a whore simply because my wives understand that God does indeed permit certain godly men a plurality of wives. Moreover she implies, in her fleshly arrogance, that I am but a "whore monger" when I have been faithful to BOTH my wives since the day we married and I can confidently say that I have been married for at least as long as she has, if not longer. I have no reason to commit adultery so why does she keep insisting that godly marriage is adultery? A: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Then she tacks on a bunch of Bible verses that have absolutely nothing to do with living godly, polygynous marriages but certainly do apply to vain imaginations: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Sure. And her point? "...but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." -Hebrews 13:4 Sure. And her point? "Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children" -2nd Peter 2:14 Sure. And her point? "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts" -2nd Timothy 3:5,6 I repeat: And her point? "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." -Hebrews 13:4 Well now... If she really believed that, why is she confusing godly marriage with whoremongers and adulterers who have no respect for marriage whatsoever? Obviously there is a considerable difference between consenting adults who have married one another and are committed to one another for the rest of their lives and whoremongers and adulterers. She says that polygamy is evil and that it is an abomination unto God but she cannot even produce ONE SINGLE BIT OF SCRIPTURE ... not ONE VERSE... that supports her position - so instead she turns to scriptures that address adultery and equates godly marriage with adultery. I know of Mormons that can put up a better argument against polygamy than this pastor's wife and you can be rest assured that they're not polygamous but I AM. Friends, what we are observing here is the sanctimonious self-righteous spirit of carnal pride in opposition to godly, polygynous marriage and I am fully ready to defend my position in the LORD to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that godly polygyny is NOT a sin. |
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To clarify any confusion anyone reading this might be having with respect to "adultery" and "fornication" let's begin with the biblical definitions of these two words. ADULTERY
The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon | Strong's Number: 05003 | Browse Lexicon | | Original Word | Word Origin | | @an | a primitive root | | Transliterated Word | TDNT Entry | | Na'aph | TWOT - 1273 | | Phonetic Spelling | Parts of Speech | naw-af'  | Verb | | | Definition | - to commit adultery
- (Qal)
- to commit adultery 1a
- usually of man 1a
- always with wife of another 1a
- adultery (of women) (participle)
- idolatrous worship (fig.)
- (Piel)
- to commit adultery 1b
- of man 1b
- adultery (of women) (participle)
- idolatrous worship (fig.)
| | | | King James Word Usage - Total: 31 | | adultery 17, adulterer 8, adulteress 4, adulterous 1, women that break wedlock 1 | | | | | The Hebrew lexicon is Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius Lexicon; this is keyed to the "Theological Word Book of the Old Testament." These files are considered public domain.
As one can plainly see in STRONG's CONCORDANCE the modern day usage of the word "adultery" is clearly NOT the biblical usage of the word. According to the Hebrew usage of the word "adultery", (Na'aph) is ALWAYS committed with the WIFE of another man - usually with a man. Fornication, on the other hand, uses a much broader definition that not only includes the definition of adultery but also includes all other forms of sexual promiscuity - in other words, harlotry.
FORNICATION
The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon | Strong's Number: 08457 | Browse Lexicon | | Original Word | Word Origin | | twnzt | from (02181) | | Transliterated Word | TDNT Entry | | Taznuwth | TWOT - 563c | | Phonetic Spelling | Parts of Speech | | taz-nooth' | Noun Feminine | | | Definition | - fornication, harlotry
| | | | King James Word Usage - Total: 20 | | whoredom 18, fornication 2 | | | | | KJV Verse Count | | Ezekiel | 19 |
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Usually when we think of the word "adultery" today, we tend to think of marital unfaithfulness with respect to either spouse. Although it is quite true that either spouse may be capable of committing the act of adultery, marital unfaithfulness is not limited to the physical act of sexual intercourse with another man's wife. To be true to the definition of the actual word however, adultery is precisely this: the physical act of sexual intercourse with another man's wife. All other definitions do not apply literally. We could use all sorts of examples with words to metaphorically represent an entire range of concepts symbolically. Just because Jesus compared Himself to a female chicken doesn't mean that he actually means that He is a hen. He was speaking comparitively. We can argue about spiritual implications from sun-up to sun-down all we wish but this will not change the literal definition of any word any more than we can turn ourselves into frogs - although we might easily compare ourselves to them. Despite what secular humanists and public educators want the definitions of the words in our Holy Bible to mean, godly men and women should stay with the original meanings of such words and tell these social engineers to mind their own business. If these secular humanists require words to define their New Age definitions of reality then let them invent their own - just leave our Holy Bible alone! I personally find there is little in the rendering of our English language more frustrating than those historical revisionists and manipulators of diction who secretly desire to change the meaning of our words to the extent that they alter our interpretation of history and the Holy Bible. This is confusion. For those of you who have not yet done so, read George Orwell's 1984 and learn about NEWSPEAK because this is EXACTLY what is occuring in our culture today. ... and it is all part of the devil's plan. Just think: If we would be so foolish as to embrace the New Age definition of adultery then people will argue that adultery is justifiable since nearly all the righteous and godly men of the Bible are really "adulterers" according to their NEW AGE definition of the word in our NEW AGE English language. Let's call a spade a spade here and leave it at that. Adultery is the act of taking another man's wife. PERIOD. Fornication is harlotry. PERIOD. Keep it simple and avoid confusion. May the Lord Jesus bless you with the knowledge of the truth YES, godly polygyny is still a reality - even within today's decadent society some people actually marry for life. JT |
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"Sis Lisa, this sounds like the work of CW. The wording is exactly like CW. It hurts me that such a person needs to coward behind a different name to attack others. YOU are right, expose them for who they really are. Also, remember this.... Satan has many faces!"
The hypocrisy is running a little thick in here, don't you think? I'm certain that most here already know the numerous names Lisa uses in this forum. I have never been CW and Lisa once stated that she believed that I was not him. She also knows that I am not St. Radical. I have never made any big secret about using the name Jacobs trouble because I run multiple sign ins on multiple forums, much the same way Lisa does in APO and other sites. But the logic here has lent itself to a consideration I had not reflected on earlier: What if Pastor Michael is actually Lisa, herself? Or what if Pastor Michael is really CW? We see a great deal of the so-called pastor's wife Lisa or Purity (depending on which level of purity appeals to her that day) but we rarely see much of Michael except when it is convenient for appearances. Okay, I rolled with the drama and the scandal and the false accusations and let everybody have their say. I have given my testimony and my testimony is rejected. Be it upon your own heads to cast shadows of doubt upon my character; but mark my words as my Lord is my witness, that the only membership I currently have left in this group is the one I'm typing on at this very moment. Let it also be known that Lisa left FULL BIBLE TRUTH of her own volition and that I have never once terminated her membership, whereas she has struck me thrice and thrice doubly, for my views on marriage in Jesus name. Lisa knows I have never been that filthy atheist and many cruel implications have been made at the hand of a haughty woman who strongly implied that my wife was a whore. Let God judge between us. My Lord knows the truth. May He judge between me and thee. Please let it be so and let your own hypocrisy be upon your own heads in the name of Jesus that you learn to accept the full Bible truth. God will certainly judge the whoremonger and adulterer both. It does not surprise me to see how so many true worshippers have left this forum filled with dead mens' bones. It wreaks of hypocrisy. Shame on you. One day you will know the truth and you will be surprised at what you discover but it will be too late because you rejected true testimony... if you don't repent. The Lord knows it. Why not talk to Him about it? Perhaps Jesus will speak to you as He does to me. Michael, if you really exist and you are a man of God I invite you to discuss these matters with me before discerning minds in Full Bible Truth... but every time I think of Pastor Michael... I see a pink dress despite the blue font. Perhaps it means something; but I certainly enjoy discussing the facts man-to-man with real pastors. Lisa has called me an instrument of Satan. Do pastors also run and cower from the Living God? Is the Sword of the Spirit so heavy for you to lift that you must now invent a new rule and a new standard? The glorification of what you have prohibited is still reflected in the eyes of those you have blinded by reason of your own secret communications. Read the boards. There is much more left to be removed. I am not afraid of the truth and if you are a pastor or a pastor's wife you should not be either. My confidence is in Jesus alone. Learn what this means. |
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Scannerman777, The matriarchs know that you are not CW. Insecure individuals feel very comfortable attempting to convert sinners over to their religious philosophies. They feel like they are helping the stupid catfish that they are in the process of reeling in. It builds their ego and the flesh gets much glory even though their misinterpretations of scripture are obvious to the more intellectually aware Christians who have studied for a while. The matriarchs have a little more difficulty reeling in a pike because a pike is sharp and very experienced in self-defense. CW hangs close to the mud as a catfish and can hide in the muck and mire but the pike stays right out in the open where everyone can see him because he has no fear. He knows how to fight back. Actually it is the pike who is wiser in some ways than the one trying to pull him in on only fifteen pound line and the line is of inferior quality, consisting of only threads of truth interwoven with lies. It is like mixing woollen and linen. It just doesn't hold together all that well and it is not as strong. This is a metaphor that ReasonLogic might want to bite into. By trying to win others through reason and logic and rote memorization skills one can be tangled into their own fishing twine and wonder how it got so tangled and the fish will get away. Jesus was a good fisherman and He knew that everyone is different. He did not even attempt to deal with legalists but gave them over to their own ways and let them ensnare themselves in their own twine of their knowledge of the law. They entrap themselves. A catfish eats all the scummy things on the bottom in the mud but a pike goes after much cleaner bigger fish. He eats the know-it-all types and they all run from him. St.Radical is like a pike who is chasing down all these know-it-alls and puritans. The puritans know when they point a finger at a person of truth that they themselves have three fingers pointing back at them through the Word of God. It is their little secret. This is why they hide and lock down their groups. When that doesn't work the bishops in pink tutus want to appear masculine by deleting all the unscriptural things that an opposing viewpoint might say or expound upon. If that doesn't work, the hypocrites can get family members together and excommunicate the reprobate from their midst. This way they appear to have won a debate.The pike(St.Radical) knows that the catfish is merely a stupid person but the catfish, while he eats his worms on the bottom of the muck and mire, thinks he is a ruling class bishop. Brad |
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 lol Good parable, Everett Jesus loved to speak in parables to his disciples.  ... Incidently did you know that they conducted an interesting experiment decades ago with Northern Pike? Perhaps you heard of it. Researchers kept pike in huge aquariums for the study of this voracious fish. (For those of who do not know what pike are, they can be likened to fresh-water barracuda.) The pike were studied individually and the experiment produced the same result repeatedly. The researchers would fill an aquarium with minnows (the pike's favorite food source) and place a transparent plexi-glass divider between the pike and their food source. After numerous unsuccessful attempts at consuming the minnows the pike were conditioned to refrain from taking further lunges at the minnows and smashing themselves against the plexi-glass divider. The pike actually "learned" not to eat. Even after removing the plexi-glass divider from the aquarium the creatures refused to feed on the minnows. The minnows could swim right up to the pike and pick on them (the way small fish will) and the pike wouldn't make any effort to eat their favorite food. In fact the experiment was so successful that these pike starved to death, following their conditioning, in every experiment. I call this the parable of the pike. There is a lesson in here for those who pay attention to what is happening in society today. This Parable of the Pike exemplifies much of our current day Penalization for Acheivement Program mentality we so commonly see reflected in all manner of social institutions, APO and OGJO being no exception. Often we witness many of the members of such social organizations were pike once too, but have been conditioned to leave off the minnows. They will surely starve to death for want of real food if they don't snap out of it and fall to the bottom to become food for the catfish. You have my number. I never much really cared for mucking about in the mire at the muddy bottom of such social clubs. I'm quite sure these places make for nice aquariums decorated with eye-candy and specimens of all sorts to hold the interest of the typically bored viewer and to provide a place for false-righteousness to thrive. Those sorry souls still hungrily seeking after the acceptence and the approval of men (and women) in a carnal mind-set would feel right at home until they became food for the bottom feeders. That I should be confused for a bottom feeder like CW would strike me as an ultimate insult (and would be, if all I did was live after the flesh) but does little damage when I consider the source from whence such insults would come. Last night I carefully explained to the wife of a Catholic friend (yes, I have Catholic friends - God help them) how the tables are turning and that the Matriarchal Spirit was neither male nor female, but a spirit, a demonic entity that moves around the globe, infiltrating weak churches and churches of men, more commonly known as the spirit of Jezebel. I briefly explained the "mother earth / mother and child reunion"concept to her, the false doctrine of the "Second Eve" (Mary), and many other Neo-Feminist doctrines that are generated through, but not always by, the Roman Catholic Crutch supporting the false-matriarchy of Catholicism. She listened intently until she realized the direction my exposition was taking. Like the lady that she is she waited until I was done talking and then expressed that she disagreed that women really had the "upper-hand"in North American society and refused to believe that the majority of women were abusing it. I made three statements: 1.) GPN (Gross National Product) and GNR (Gross Nation Revenue) are owned by over 69% of women and children in North America. 2.) The gap between life expectancy for men and women is greatest in North America: The men die faster than the women and that women in general, live the longest in North America and Europe than anywhere else in the world. 3.) Not even two years ago, graduates from colleges, universities and post-secondary educational institutions were comprised of nearly (and in some cases over) 90% of women students, while elementary school boys continue to struggle ineffectively and High School males today are dropping out at an unprecedented rate. I further explained that even some Neo-Feminists in the industry are admitting that perhaps they have been a little "over-zealous" in their biased approach to public education through favoring feminist methods of teaching. I told her that I felt that such confessions out of the mouths of the feminists themselves is very telling. She agreed. This was my queue to explain that because of this very active and very real Jezebel spirit, men are influenced to become effeminate themselves, many of them taking on female attributes to confuse other spiritually weak males who harbor hatred and contempt for women (women are not the enemy - they are the victims) to join them in ways that are not convenient and contrary to their natures; and in so doing, these fuel the fires of hell and damnation. I further explained that if women did not have the "upper hand" in North American society (ruling over men) that it would very unlikely that we should see the same sex civil marriage contract become legitimate Canadian Law as we do today. She agreed a second time and the conversation was over. Everett you already know I'm not going to win any trophies at any social club contests for preaching full Bible truth. I made many posts in APO upholding the Oneness of the Almighty God and Jesus, receiving much witness and the "amens" of the members. I testified several times in that place where few others did concerning some of the harder points of Oneness doctrine to be commended by viewers and members alike. Notice that not once in all the active years of operating my memberships in APO was I named "member of the month" in the CW MEMBER OF THE MONTH project management of APO readily embraced. The reason that I make mention of this is because it is evident that those who willingly embrace the Neo-Matriarchal Spirit also seek after the praise of men and women in preference to the approval and blessings of God. Full Bible Truth is simply not that popular nor welcome. Thankyou again for your ecouraging post and may the Lord Jesus ever be with you in this New Year. |
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" There is probably something I should tell you. In all honesty, I am not the least bit impressed with how educated a person is in the ways of the world and carnal flesh, etc....I am not the least bit impressed with the scholarship of scannerman (aka Jacobs Trouble) and Everett. I am completely disgusted with polygamy. I don't mind one bit if you guys wish to continue discussing it and I might join in from time to time. Even though you don't consider my thoughts on the topic to be a worthy force of the opposition! LOL. "
Management of APO: Is it hard for thee to hide behind the tu-tu? Are the men of Apostolic Oneness all gone astray? Have they fled in the four directions because the pastor has cowered to step forth to answer to his own? It should not surprise me that Bible scholarship does not impress you. I would imagine that you also hold little regard for the ancient things of God, to learn why God's law is true and why God implored us to seek out the ancient land marks. I am sorry that you feel that such things are unimportant in these last days. It is typical of the times when there is little respect or regard for the sanctity of life. Your laughter bewrays you: For the following day you removed my membership against your reassurances in a fashion that can only come from a daughter of belial. Canadian Writer would have been proud of you. If you were truly curious you would not have chosen the cowardly flight from FULL BIBLE TRUTH you did once claim to uphold. You judge and are judged in your judgment. Therefore are you disgusted, your nostrils filled to the brim in the toxins of your own filthy, self-righteous bile. I say that because your heart is hard and mercy does not thrive in your spirit, you would feign to suffer the little children but there is no fruit in your false bearing. You would turn away the very substance of mercy and compassion in your failure to discern the things of God, curious to your own end and bitter satsifaction. All your pretty pictures of sweetness and self-edification, all your icons and images stand firm in the mainstream of your Roman Catholic spirit, O, APO! Your long-haired, hippie Jesus tells the story of the spirit you truly represent: FALSE ONENESS. Do not think for a moment that I have even begun to bash. All you got from me so far is a pat on the po-po and if you think that's disgusting, change out of that tu-tu and put a dress on that befits a godly church. Your husband should be man enough to give you a good spanking, young lady. I fear that it is too late as it is likely that you were not well disciplined as a child either. Is it any wonder that you do not even know what adultery is? I am reminded of a woman who once learned that there was no virtue found in her upon the marriage bed because of bad choices she once made in her youth. How easily shamed she was in the presense of a maid who made better choices and how vain she became in her imagination and inability to correctly discern the things of God. You may mock the ordinances of God but God is not mocked. |
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Hi All, I don't like to be confused. Are all these responses about whether or not polygamy is a sin according to the Scriptures? In search of truth, Don |
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Yes Don. You asked the right question. My membership (and the memberships of others) were terminated from the pastor's wife's MSN GROUP because some of us opened the scriptures addressing godly polygamy. At first she suffered us in the group likely thinking that some of the members there would put us in our places. When the opposite effect began to develop in the group, as certain there began to see the light, she terminated our memberships, consequently deleting well over a thousand posts and much work on the parts of those who diligently and correctly divided the word. I brought some of that material here prior to the termination of the memberships of others. The "Pastor's Wife" accused me of being many of the members in her group because she disbelieved that any would support my findings and it was all that she could do to discredit me to make it look as though I had no witnesses to testify that the things I shared are true. Furthermore she went so far as to call my beloved wives "whores" at which point I stood up to her and gave her a good verbal "spanking" (seeing how her alleged husband would not come forth to put the matter to rest) for which she ran back to her groupies and whined about how she was being "bashed" here, in Full Bible Truth Group. I am very tolerant of other people's views even if I do not agree with them. The only things I will not tolerate in this group is profanity (which violates MSN rules) and blaspheming the name of my LORD. Of course certain posts from spammers are also deleted, but I don't terminate their memberships without warning. Well the woman I refer to also terminated her own membership here. She was quite hostile and I have access to many of our debates which you will find in the left-hand margin. You may find the following links interesting reading material: Thankyou for joining Full Bible Truth Group. God bless you and your house and may Jesus be with you in your search. |
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"Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to Him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and HIS [ONE AND ONLY] WIFE hath made herself ready" (Rev. 19:7). Is this really what the scripture says or has it been added to? I submit that the pink stuff has to go. We need to read the scripture as it is written. Neither is it our place to council God. Note the following non-scriptural words of a woman struggling in the throes of neo-feminism: Isaac had only one wife. Isaac's wife, Rebekah, like her mother-in-law, Sarah, was barren. But Isaac did not take things into his own hands and have children by her handmaids, or by concubines.....like many OT men did..... Neither did Rebekah do as Sarah had done, and resort to bringing a servant girl to Isaac to produce a son for Rebekah in this manner. Instead of using human reason, taking things into his own hands, Isaac TRUSTED GOD! Men are not trusting God much these days! What the unclean spirit is actually suggesting here in all subtilty, is that godly men should be subject to their wives just as Isaac was subject unto God through a comparison of Issac to Rebekah. There is a confusion of roles here. Instead of conceding as the Apostle Paul did with respect to marriage and the forbidding of marriage, every man having his proper gift, a perversion has manifested in a fashion that is not unlike the advocates of the "Church is the Son" doctrine. It is sheer and utter confusion. This ungodly spirit would have a man regard his wife as his ONE AND ONLY both in body and in spirit! It begs to be worshipped and reverenced as a true saint regards his one and only God. It would even go so far as to use the example of a jealous God to justify itself in a false covering and false annointing that a woman should be so over her husband! God is not a woman that He should be so emmulated. This is vanity verging on blasphemy. |
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Here's the Plain Truth About OLD TESTAMENT POLYGAMY YOU'RE TOO PLAIN. IN FACT, you are so plain that YOU condensed the HOLY BIBLE into a 97-page cheap paperback novel with a glue backing that falls apart in the presence of the LIVING WATER. You're left-handed testament is enough to cause me to wonder if there is anything left on the right, let alone anything right left in your words which are so plain that you have reduced common sense and reason to the level of BASE, VULGAR, and CRUDE. Now THAT is pretty plain, I admit. Why don't we cut to the chase? There is no such word as POLYGAMY in the BIBLE so we need not dispute that POLYGAMY is not scriptural. It ain't in the BIBLE. You may be surprised to learn that Abraham was not a polygamist Nope. it isn't in the Bible. Why should I be surprised? -- that David completely repented of it How could David repent of something that isn't even in the Bible? -- that God's legal statutes made polygamy illegal in ancient <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>! Hello? Either say what you're talking about, or show me where it is written. I am not falling for this old trap of yours anymore. Polygamy is a non-scriptural, New Age word, that covers a multitude of fornications including everyone and their dog. Take it away and be done with it. The only time I will discuss BIBLE POLYGAMY is when people who don't understand what the BIBLE calls marriage refer to it as such. They don't know any better. Then again... perhaps you don't either. God did not sanction polygamy in Old Testament times. Of course not. It isn't in the Bible. Contrary to the suppositions many have accepted, God forbade it Forbade what? What did God forbid? -- and PUNISHED for it! Punished for what? For a word we cannot find in the scripture? Abraham Was NOT a Polygamist Well, I should hope not. The Bible mentions NO "polygamists" to my knowledge. Polygamy is a worldly invention, a new age word. Many people recall at once a few Old Testament instances of plural wives, and assume that God sanctioned polygamy. That assumption is absolutely false! Hark,truth speaks! I cannot find the word in my Bible so it would be very presumptious to believe that God sanctioned something not even found in the scripture. You know, you really need to be a little more specific. God has never approved, nor made lawful, more than one living wife for any man. Opinion - not proof... And false also. See: Deuteronomy 21:15-17 - "made lawful". The state of more than one living wife was written directly into the law. A man had to deal equitably with both his wives in the sight of God and God called it "two wives" thereby acknowledging that such a marital state existed outside of fornication and adultery. Not once does God call it a sin. "Approved": And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. 2 Samuel 12:8 So David went up thither, and his two wives also, Ahinoam the Jezreelitess, and Abigail Nabal's wife the Carmelite. - 2 Samuel 2:22
*LEST THERE BE ANY DOUBT CONCERNING THESE "TWO WIVES" LEGITIMACY IN THE EYES OF GOD, THE SCRIPTURE PLAINLY STATES THAT THE ONLY THING KING DAVID DID WRONG IN THE SIGHT OF GOD CONCERNED THE MATTER OF URIAH THE HITTITE: MURDER AND ADULTERY ARE WRONG. MEN SHOULD KEEP THEIR HANDS OFF OF OTHER MEN'S WIVES AND THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, saith the LORD.
* Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. 1 KINGS 15:5
Quite the contrary, He FORBADE IT, even to the kings of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>, and that by written STATUTE! Well, I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, but it just isn't so. God did not forbid polygamy because polygamy isn't in the Bible. The word polygamy is alot like another word that isn't in the Bible either: the word trinity. God did not forbid trinity because there is NO TRINITY! God did not forbid polygamy because polygamy does not exist either, among the people of God. Polygamy is a big "catch-all" word developed by the Devil to setup Godly men and the lost alike, to look "dirty" in the eyes of the non-believers. It's like saying, "being human is a sin". It is a very BROAD BRUSHSTROKE. Of course, just because GOD "didn't forbid it" doesn't make it right either; but I'm not going to add to God's law by adding New Age words that only catch people in snares because they are the fabrications of adders and vipers. God never forbade polygamy to the kings of Israel: Now that is full Bible Truth. God never forbade "trinity" to anyone in the Bible either, and that too, is full Bible truth. Unless you can show me where it is written you must keep your peace. Polygamy isn't in the Bible, so what are you on about, eh? Abraham had an illegitimate son by Hagar. Another NOT IN THE BIBLE WORD. Do you people know how to talk BIBLE? I'm sorry but when matters of morality in the BIBLE come into question I like to go straight to the source. No sense leaning on conjecture... The word "illegitmate" is ANOTHER NEW AGE WORD not found in the Bible. Can't argue words that aren't even there. But that was an adulterous SIN. OPINION - not fact. Where is it written? Where are your sources? Where did GOD ever say that Abraham committed adultery? Like the Serpent you are quick to condemn and slow to mercy. You jump to conclusions, calling it sin, but you have no proof that Abraham committed adultery. God sure didn't say it was adultery. Although it renders it nonetheless a SIN, I think we can recognize extenuating circumstances. I think that whoremongers and adulterers go into the Kingdom before people who think like this. It is called adding to the word and it is PREJUDICED. I think we can think about all sorts of mythical fabrications and lies in our vain imaginations also, but where is your foundation for your claim that Abraham committed adultery? Where is the scripture? Sarah was barren. For a wife in ancient times to go childless was felt to be a disgrace. Yes, perhaps... Even as it is for some wives today. May God have mercy on their souls and may they also be saved in child bearing. It was Sarah, Abraham's own wife, who brought to Abraham her servant handmaid, asking him to produce a child for Sarah by this servant woman. What an honor! What a Lady! What a true wife! How she must have loved her husband! Women like her are so precious and rare. And we KNOW THE BIBLE teaches that Sarah was INCREDIBLY attractive also. Why, she was a Queen! "We can imagine Hagar to have been attractive, and not necessarily lacking in voluptuous charms simply because she was a servant." We can imagine all sorts of things, as I just alluded to earlier, but I think I'll stand on the Word of God and the scripture. Wheras the scripture remarks on the beauty of Sarah, it says nothing concerning the physical attractiveness of Hagar. Now ladies, let's be honest.. I'm not even going to go there. Use your common sense. Let's put our imaginings aside for the moment, shall we? How about some FULL BIBLE TRUTH instead of your Plain Old imaginings? That temptation, under these circumstances, at Sarah's instigation, might have been great. Certainly the very invitation coming from Sarah would have made it harder to resist. :::Rolls eyes::: "that temptation"... Honey, it took alot more back then, in that day, to catch a man's eye than it does today. An old Oneness Pastor told me this and I surely believe him. This is mere speculation and you know it. If I were to speculate, I would lay odds that Sarah was the eye-candy. Abraham was a strong man. Oh yes, "strong man"... this is starting to read like a cheap romance novel. But this temptation appears to have been stronger. Please, you're cracking me up. All humans have sinned. Indeed. And it is a sin to add to the word of God, so REPENT! Let me guess, a woman wrote this, right? Abraham was human. Now that explains it right there. This is sufficient. "Abraham lied when he twice claimed Sarah was his sister, fearing for his own life." ...And you just lied by promoting a false interpretation. In case you didn't know it, Sarah was INDEED Abraham's HALF-SISTER. Observe: 5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.8 Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid.9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.10 And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing?11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. I realize you want me to believe that just because GOD just finished stating that Abraham was a PROPHET that he was also a LYING PROPHET; but that isn't in the Bible either. Abraham told the truth. Abraham was not without sin. Abraham did not lie. Sarah was his half-sister. It was acceptable among their people to marry their half-sisters. But neither this adultery, (that lives only in your mind) nor the two lies, (which you have fabricated yourself) were sins of the nature that springs from a wrong attitude of mind or heart. Speak for yourself. You seem to be doing a good job of it. Abraham, in his heart, was always OBEDIENT to GOD. My Lord, such double-talk! May God have mercy on you for such double-minded communication! Abraham was obedient to GOD because he was verily a Prophet of God and not a lying prophet. In other words, he didn't lie. And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there. Genesis 11: 31 Abram was a Chaldean. These ancient Sumerians practiced marriage between half-sisters and cousins and it was not imputed for sin either. Neither did he commit adultery! You have yet to produce the scripture that says that he did. There was no spirit of hostility or rebellion. These sins were of the FLESH, under temptation -- not malicious or rebellious sins of the heart. Quit trying to justify the non-existent sins of Abraham and try judging yourself for a change. But they were SINS! God forgave Abraham's sins of spiritual weakness, committed under heavy temptation. They were sins that you invented in your own vain imagination. Abraham's sins are between him and his Maker. I'm sure he needs no help from you and I would be careful about judging Abraham unrighteously. God will recompense. Nevertheless, we all must REAP what we sow -- You sure said a mouthful there. May it be upon you if you do not repent of your sinful thoughts. So far, you lied about Abraham, you called him an adulterer, you made his wife look like a whore, and you have held the truth in unrighteousness. even though God forgives our sins upon repentance. ... better get cracking. God refused to approve this adulterous act of Abraham. No, He only blessed it to overflowing, made them twelve great nations, most of which are still on the globe, Princes and Kings... to the extent that Hagar's children outnumber the children of Isaac even today! They're still around: a strong and noble people... A force to be reckoned with, don't you think? As for Israel... Well, the house of Judah survived, I suppose... and a few stragglers. He rejected the illegitimate son, Ishmael, from the birthright. "O, that ISHMAEL might live before thee!" And so it was that GOD answered Abraham's petition and blessed ISHMAEL also. GOD IS MOST MERCIFUL! PRAISE BE TO THE ONLY WISE GOD. Ishmael was no "illegitimate"... it ain't in the BIBLE. He knew who his parents were. He was not a bastard child and that is really what you want us to believe, but cannot substantiate. This transgression produced jealousy between the women. "Transgression"? That word isn't even found in the entire Book let alone in the account you refer to. Only more fabrication. It resulted in trouble, controversy, suffering. Praise God! Lessons to be learned! Perhaps if the ladies had less than selfish hearts things would have went alot more smoothly for them, like they did with Boaz and Ruth. How many realize that even the Arab-Jewish strife over Palestine, today, was brought on by this very THREE-CORNERED TRIANGLE, and the ensuing jealousy of the two women, Sarah and Hagar, over the one man, Abraham? The Jews are the children of Sarah, through Isaac, born later by a miracle. The Arabs are the children of Ishmael. How many realize that GOD is in perfect control and He knew that a people was going to be required to keep the arrogant and high-minded sons of Jacob in line? If it weren't for the sons of Ishmael the Israelites probably would have been smitten from the face of the earth! Ishmael kept them humble. In Genesis 21:8-21 is the record of Hagar's departure from Sarah and Abraham. God ordered Abraham to send away the concubine Hagar and her son, and Abraham obeyed. This was at the time Isaac was weaned. Abraham had, after this, no more relations with Hagar, or his other concubine, Susanna, who is mentioned in the ancient Austrian Chronicle -- see Genesis 25:6 where you will read that Abraham's concubines' sons were sent away. Genesis 25:6??? My Bible has no such scripture. Oh, I see, we don't read the same Bible. Well, that it explains it. Now I understand why you add so much to the Word. Your source is from the same spirit. "Ancient Austrian Chronicle"... Well, I better just go burn my AKJV now because I'm sure THAT the Austrian Chronicle is the right Bible to read! NOT. Begone with your FALSE DOCTRINE and your bogus Chronicles. Stop adding to the scripture. Sarah's death is recorded in Genesis 23:1-2. It was after that (Gen. 25), that Abraham married Keturah. This, of course, was a perfectly legal marriage. There was no polygamy -- no divorce. IGNORANCE. If I were to use the logic you just employed I would also have to state that Abraham married Keturah on his death bed. You cannot nearly substantiate your claim like that. Observe: Genesis 24 1 And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the LORD had blessed Abraham in all things.2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are termed, in both Old and New Testaments, "the Fathers." Jesus Christ came to confirm the PROMISES made to "the Fathers." The unconditional promises God made to Abraham were repeated to both Isaac and Jacob. Well finally you have stated something correctly. GOD surely did bless that LEGITIMATE SON OF ABRAHAM called ISHMAEL. Blessed him with many wives and many riches also. |
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"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife (NOT 2, NOT 50) , vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" 1 Timothy 3:2 I see that you still want to add to the truth and read your own private interpretation into it. The scripture does not say "NOT 2, NOT 50" but the scripture says, "TWO WIVES" many times and MORE times than it says "one wife". GOD says "TWO WIVES". Do you mean to correct GOD also? Do you mean to say that Abraham was NOT the husband of ONE WIFE? Do you want us to believe that JACOB was NOT the husband of ONE WIFE? Are you saying that MOSES does NOT satisfy the criteria for being the HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE? You would correct GOD also? If I owned a two trucks and someone asked me if I owned a truck should I say, "NO"? THAT word in the BIBLE: "ONE" literally means "A" in the Greek. Now I know that the Greek Interlinear (eventhough it is older than the KING JAMES) is not allowed in this place from former experience so I would encourage others to look it up for themselves. Paul gave his reason for men in positions of leadership in the Bible in verse 5 of the scripture you keep quoting: " For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God? "
Show me one scripture in the NEW TESTAMENT where any man of God had more than one wife. Until you do that, you are proving nothing. Absolutely Nothing If I did this, would you be faithful and not unbelieving? I rather doubt it. I know that you have already MADE UP your mind about this. You want to believe what works for you and what serves your own neo-feminist agenda. You do not even know how steeped in GNOSTICISM the church is become. I have already proven that GOD called it "TWO WIVES" and you already reject the word of GOD when it is set before you plainly. Lisa, I don't have to prove anything to you. The scripture gives FULL ACCOUNT. Either you receive it or you do not. You want us to believe that GOD "changed His mind". You want us to think that what the CHANGELESS ONE declared RIGHTEOUS is no longer RIGHTEOUS. You want us to believe that GOD has changed HIS position on MORALITY. I am saying that He is the same JESUS, yesterday, to day and for ever. Rather show me where it is written in the volume of the BOOK that the LORD GOD has FORBIDDEN "TWO WIVES" and I will answer you with New Testament examples of "MORE than one wife"; and if you will receive it, I have already answered you; but because you say you see you are blind.
I want you to show me one scripture that states that Abraham was married to multiple wives and that God was pleased with it. I want you to show me one scripture that states that God was displeased that Abraham was married to two wives first.
Would you have us believe that Abraham surprised GOD when He took Hagar to wife? Do you honestly think GOD didn't know this would happen? Why did GOD not confront Abraham for committing Adultery? Do you still maintain that GOD has changed His mind about what adultery is? This changeless one sure seems to do alot of changing in your estimation. Show me in scripture where it says that GOD changed his mind about "TWO WIVES". The scripture reads: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1 Timothy 3:2 Lisa wants the scripture to read: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of ONLY one wife, NOT 2 not 50, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; But that is the error of Gnostic Catholicism. It paves the road to the FORBIDDING to MARRY doctrine and places an ungodly burden upon many who would serve GOD in spirit and in truth. It forces men and women who were not designed for such a thing into fornication, divorce, homosexuality, deceit, and all manner of ungodliness. It is this setting at nought that results in the forbidding to marry that we already see so prevalent today, that even my own country embraces "same-sex" marriage to appease the lustful appetites of cheating spouses who were likewise forbidden and it is not of GOD. Only adders add to the Word. Lisa, are you saying that Abraham committed adultery when he married Hagar? Was Moses was an adulterer also? What does the HOLY BIBLE say. Just how you could lift up the FILTH of Herbert Armstrong's heretical work as a ONENESS BELIEVER is completely beyond me. Herbert despised Pentecost. The man was a complete infidel who vacilated throughout his ministry in hypocrisy and this became the source of your argument: a man who didn't even support his own filthy doctrine in spirit and in truth... A man who was NOT the husband of ONLY ONE WIFE... A man who continually held the truth in unrighteousness. Shame on you! Were you also his convert? His old secretary, perhaps? Perhaps at times in the Old Testament, the practice of polygamy was allowed, after SIN entered in to the world. Where a man died, having not yet produced an heir, his brother was obligated to marry the widow, and to designate the firstborn of that marriage as an heir to the dead brother. But all this was after SIN entered in and man was populating the earth. From the BEGINNING it was NOT so....
Distraction will get you nowhere. Polygamy is a sin. Polygamy was always a sin. Polygamy means that a woman can have many wives. Polygamy means a woman can have many husbands all living at the same time. There are some that even say that Beastiality is a form of Polygamy. Stop using wordly terminology to discredit what GOD has called TWO WIVES. Alot of things are "not so" as they were in the beginning. Jesus used those words to state to the Pharisees that in THE BEGINNING THERE WAS NO DIVORCE. I hate divorce. I hate putting away. I believe in marriage until death. You can believe what you wish. What GOD HATH CALLED TWO WIVES LET NOT MAN PUT ASUNDER. GOD said it and we know that the scripture cannot be broken.
When Jesus came and died for SINS of mankind, he set the record straight for one male and one female again. He sure did. One male may marry a multitude of wives in the LORD. One woman may marry only One Lord in her LORD while her husband yet lives. We see the proof of it in the Book of Revelation: A multitude of souls in the BRIDE of CHRIST, a plurality in a singularity. I am surely glad that JESUS didn't say there was only enough room for ONE LIVING SOUL in the BRIDE.
The Bible says that the wages of sin is death. The Bible also tells us that there is no one that is righteous and that all of us have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. He made the way for us with His work on the Cross. A new and living way....where our sins are put under the blood and we no longer have the vile practices of stoning people to death, concubines, and all manner of evil. No, instead we send our offspring to fight unjust wars to sacrifice their blood upon the alter of the Shaitan in the name of Terrorism and call it "Christian". We promote and legalise sodomy and lesbainism because we surely do not want what GOD calls marriage. We destroy families with unjust laws and uphold the wicked and evil doers as godly and righteous people. We sign contracts that bring CAESAR into our marriage bed so that we can renounce godly marriage to call it "POLYGAMY" and "Illegitimate". It is sheer and utter hypocrisy. Our churches are experiencing unprecedented rates of divorce and separation while the secular world watches on, shaking their heads and wondering "where is their GOD" as the temporal realm enjoys an even lower percentage of broken homes and families: The price of holding the truth in unrighteousness. AND now you want me to believe that because the Christ died on the cross for our sins that the CHANGELESS ONE changed HIS mind about what is moral and immoral; only say that what GOD has called "TWO WIVES" is a lie. My heart is very sad for you, Lisa. I pray that you repent. Matthew 19:8-9
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife (not 14 wives), except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. More distraction and more PARTIAL TRUTH. As I stated previously in this post, JESUS spake on this wise concerning DIVORCEMENT: In the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife... oh, I see you added to the word of God again...(not 14 wives), except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. Your little "correction" does not change the Word of God. The putting away of ANY wife by a husband is still the putting away of a (one) wife, regardless if a man has ONLY ONE wife or fourteen wives. Putting away without cause is of the Devil. Therefore what GOD has called two wives let not man (or woman) put assunder. Mark 10 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again. And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. We have had this dispute before and you have not persuaded me to believe your private interpretation of marriage yet. Abraham verily became ONE FLESH (that is Hebrew for "married", folks) with Hagar. Bless her soul! May the only Wise God have mercy upon her in judgment. May Hagar and Sarah and Mary embrace as sisters in the judgment and mercy of the MOST WISE and MOST MERCIFUL GOD! I want to see the noble mothers in the arms of my BELOVED JESUS. I want to see these weapons turned into ploughshears and peace and goodwill restored to the Kingdom of GOD on earth. Do you not know how that GOD used these women according to HIS purpose? Where is your compassion, sister? If I spoke to your shame you would not tolerate it. Your nostrils would flare and you would terminate my membership here as you have so many times before. Understand that you will never persuade me to believe contrary to the WORD OF GOD. REMEMBER THIS? NEO-FEMINISM Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 1 Timothy 3:2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; It is clear that those in Church leadership are to be monogamous (the 'husband of one wife' clause shows up in both statements of elder/deacon qualifications: 1 Tim 3.2 and Titus 1.6).....and they are EXAMPLES of how the REST OF THE MEN MUST LIVE! How do I know? Because God has said that He is no RESPECTOR OF PERSONS. Romans 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God. Now JT, I care about your soul or I would not have taken time to show you this very obvious truth. It is now up to you to get your life in order with God. I have done my part in expounding to you the way more clearly....It's up to you to either accept or reject the truth I have shown you. Whatever you do, I will still treat you kindly and still pray for you. If you feel the need to attack me, call me names, or hurl insults....that is your choice. I will still pray for you.
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You have a watchful eye, Joseph7. I am watching also. I only pray that if you should receive the FULL REVELATION of what has happened to us over these last 1600 some years, that you do not become consumed by your outrage as I nearly did. Watch the link called ZEITGEIST and do not be amazed. It is not true religion. JESUS is LORD. Joseph, we are robbed of our heritage in the LORD JESUS on a daily basis and we still are made to believe a GREAT ROMAN LIE that has been in force for over 1600 years. Our Society is become steeped in GNOSTIC CONTROL. The ladies (may God bless their hearts) are not able to see all that the true worshippers blessed with wives are able to see because as God fearing men we are supposed to take care and take charge of our houses! Therefore we read that women and children do rule over GOD'S PEOPLE and they are DESTROYED for a lack of knowledge, Joseph, my brother... A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. As for my beloved sister, Lisa, I can only offer this wisdom: "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife (NOT 2, NOT 50) , vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;" 1 Timothy 3:2 Lisa, I see that you still want to add to the truth and read your own private interpretation into it. The scripture does not say "NOT 2, NOT 50", but the scripture says, "TWO WIVES" many times and MORE times than it says "one wife" AND... the scripture never says "ONLY ONE WIFE". GOD says "TWO WIVES". Do you mean to correct GOD also? Do you mean to say that Abraham was NOT the husband of ONE WIFE? Are you saying that HAGAR and ABRAM were never ONE FLESH"? Do you want us to believe that JACOB was NOT the husband of ONE WIFE? Are you saying that MOSES does NOT satisfy the criteria for being the HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE? You would correct GOD also? If I owned a two trucks and someone asked me if I owned a truck should I say, "NO"? THAT word in the BIBLE: "ONE" literally means "A" in the Greek. Now I do know that the Greek Interlinear (eventhough it is older than the KING JAMES) is not allowed in this place from former experience so I would encourage others to look it up for themselves. Paul gave his reason for men in positions of leadership in the Bible in verse 5 of the scripture you keep quoting: " For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God? "
Show me one scripture in the NEW TESTAMENT where any man of God had more than one wife. Until you do that, you are proving nothing. Absolutely Nothing If I did this, would you be faithful and not unbelieving? I rather doubt it. I know that you have already MADE UP your mind about this. You want to believe what works for you and what serves your own neo-feminist agenda. You do not even know how steeped in GNOSTICISM the church is become. I have already proven that GOD called it "TWO WIVES" and you already reject the word of GOD when it is set before you plainly. Lisa, I don't have to prove anything to you. The scripture gives FULL ACCOUNT. Either you receive it or you do not. The scripture is surely there. Look for it yourself. You have obviously not looked thoroughly enough. You want us to believe that GOD "changed His mind". You want us to think that what the CHANGELESS ONE declared RIGHTEOUS is no longer RIGHTEOUS. You want us to believe that GOD has changed HIS position on MORALITY. I am saying that He is the same JESUS, yesterday, to day and for ever. Rather show me where it is written in the FULL volume of the BOOK, that the LORD GOD has FORBIDDEN "TWO WIVES" and then I will answer you with more New Testament examples of "MORE than one wife"; and if you will receive it, I have already answered you; but because you say you see you are blind, therefore I know that the truth is not in you.
I want you to show me one scripture that states that Abraham was married to multiple wives and that God was pleased with it. I want you to show me one scripture that states that God was displeased that Abraham was married to two wives first... AND CALLED IT ADULTERY. Would you have us believe that Abraham surprised GOD when He took Hagar to wife? Do you honestly think GOD didn't know this would happen? Why did GOD not confront Abraham for committing Adultery? Do you still maintain that GOD has changed His mind about what adultery is? This changeless one sure seems to do alot of changing in your estimation. Show me in scripture where it says that GOD changed his mind about "TWO WIVES". The scripture reads: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 1 Timothy 3:2 Lisa wants the scripture to read: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of ONLY one wife, NOT 2 not 50, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; But that is the error of Gnostic Catholicism. It paves the road to the FORBIDDING to MARRY doctrine and places an ungodly burden upon many who would serve GOD in spirit and in truth. It forces men and women who were not designed for such a thing into fornication, divorce, homosexuality, deceit, and all manner of ungodliness. It is this setting at nought that results in the forbidding to marry that we already see so prevalent today, that even my own country embraces "same-sex" marriage to appease the lustful appetites of cheating spouses who were likewise forbidden and it is not of GOD. Only adders add to the Word. Lisa, are you saying that Abraham committed adultery when he married Hagar? Was Moses was an adulterer also? What does the HOLY BIBLE say. Just how you could lift up the FILTH of Herbert Armstrong's heretical work as a ONENESS BELIEVER is completely beyond me. Herbert despised Pentecost. The man was a complete infidel who vacilated throughout his ministry in hypocrisy and this became the source of your argument: a man who didn't even support his own filthy doctrine in spirit and in truth... A man who was NOT the husband of ONLY ONE WIFE... A man who continually held the truth in unrighteousness. Shame on you! Were you also his convert? His old secretary, perhaps? LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE TAUGHT THE WORLD TO BELIEVE ABOUT CHRISTIANITY! IS IT ANY WONDER OUR MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE LOST? BEHOLD HOW THEY HAVE BEEN LIED TO ABOUT THE TRUE ONENESS PENTECOSTAL FAITH: ZEITGEIST THEY THINK THIS IS CHRISTIANITY. IT IS NOT. IT IS GNOSTICISM AND IT HAS ROBBED US OF TRUE RELIGION OF 1600 YEARS AND THEY HAVE ONLY BEEN WARNING US OVER AND OVER AGAIN! WHAT A SHAME THAT WE HAVE NOT BOTH HEARD EACHOTHER's WARNINGS. WE DO NOT HELP THEM WITH OUR LIES ABOUT THE ONLY WISE GOD. WHY THEN, DO WE WONDER ABOUT THE WAY THINGS ARE WHEN SO MUCH PURITANICAL SELF-RIGHT PRIDE COURSES THROUGH OUR VEINS? 1600 YEARS OF LIES AND CONDITIONING TO KEEP US AWAY FROM THE REAL JESUS, THE ONLY WISE GOD! THE REAL ENEMY IS ROME and ROME IS AT HOME IN THE WHITEHOUSE. Perhaps at times in the Old Testament, the practice of polygamy was allowed, after SIN entered in to the world. Where a man died, having not yet produced an heir, his brother was obligated to marry the widow, and to designate the firstborn of that marriage as an heir to the dead brother. But all this was after SIN entered in and man was populating the earth. From the BEGINNING it was NOT so....
Distraction will get you nowhere. Polygamy is a sin. Polygamy was always a sin. Polygamy means that a woman can have many wives. Polygamy means a woman can have many husbands all living at the same time. Polygamy means that a man can be with many men. There are some that even say that Beastiality is a form of Polygamy so stop using wordly terminology to discredit what GOD has called TWO WIVES. Alot of things are "not so" as they were in the beginning. Jesus used those words to state to the Pharisees that in THE BEGINNING THERE WAS NO DIVORCE. I hate divorce. I hate putting away. I believe in marriage until death. I have neither put away, nor divorced. You can believe what you wish. What GOD HATH CALLED TWO WIVES LET NOT MAN PUT ASUNDER. GOD said it and we know that the scripture cannot be broken.
When Jesus came and died for SINS of mankind, he set the record straight for one male and one female again.
He sure did. One male may marry a multitude of wives in the LORD with His blessing upon it. One woman may marry only One Lord in her LORD while her husband yet lives. She would do well to call him lord. We see the proof of it in the Book of Revelation: A multitude of souls in the BRIDE of CHRIST, a plurality in a singularity. I am surely glad that JESUS didn't say there was only enough room for ONE LIVING SOUL in the BRIDE. The Bible says that the wages of sin is death. The Bible also tells us that there is no one that is righteous and that all of us have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. He made the way for us with His work on the Cross. A new and living way....where our sins are put under the blood and we no longer have the vile practices of stoning people to death, concubines, and all manner of evil. No, instead we send our offspring to fight unjust wars to sacrifice their blood upon the alter of the Shaitan in the name of Terrorism and call it "Christian". We promote and legalise sodomy and lesbainism because we surely do not want what GOD calls marriage. We destroy families with unjust laws and uphold the wicked and evil doers as godly and righteous people. We sign contracts that bring CAESAR into our marriage bed so that we can renounce godly marriage to call it "POLYGAMY" and "Illegitimate". It is sheer and utter hypocrisy. Our churches are experiencing unprecedented rates of divorce and separation while the secular world watches on, shaking their heads and wondering "where is their GOD" as the temporal realm enjoys an even lower percentage of broken homes and families: The price of holding the truth in unrighteousness. AND now you want me to believe that because the Christ died on the cross for our sins that the CHANGELESS ONE changed HIS mind about what is moral and immoral; only say that what GOD has called "TWO WIVES" is a lie. My heart is very sad for you, Lisa. I pray that you repent. Matthew 19:8-9
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife (not 14 wives), except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. More distraction and more PARTIAL TRUTH. As I stated previously in this post, JESUS spake on this wise concerning DIVORCEMENT: In the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife... oh, I see you added to the word of God again...(not 14 wives), except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives, and begat twenty and two sons, and sixteen daughters. Your little "correction" does not change the Word of God. The putting away of ANY wife by a husband is still the putting away of a (one) wife, regardless if a man has ONLY ONE wife or fourteen wives. Putting away without cause is of the Devil. Therefore what GOD has called two wives let not man (or woman) put assunder. GOD cannot lie. Mark 10 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judaea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again. And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. REMEMBER THIS? NEO-FEMINISM We have had this dispute before Lisa, and you have not nearly persuaded me to believe your private, NEW AGE interpretation of Godly marriage yet. Abraham verily became ONE FLESH (that is Hebrew for "married", folks) with Hagar. Bless her soul! May the only Wise God have mercy upon her in judgment for by the sons of Ishmael did HE execute HIS judgment upon the arrogant sons of Jacob. May Hagar and Sarah and Mary embrace as sisters in the judgment and mercy of the MOST WISE and MOST MERCIFUL GOD! I long to see these noble mothers in the arms of my HOLY and BELOVED JESUS. I want to see these weapons turned into ploughshears and peace and goodwill restored to the Kingdom of GOD on this earth. Do you not know how that GOD used these women according to HIS purpose? Where is your compassion, sister? If I spoke to your shame you would not tolerate it. Your nostrils would flare and you would terminate my membership here as you have so many times before but I will say this: a good daughter of Hagar would do no such thing. Hagar OBEYED. Understand that you will never persuade me to believe contrary to the WORD OF GOD. Titus 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. Yes, and this scripture answers to it: " For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God? " 1 Timothy 3:2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Now do you say that I am NOT the husband of ONE WIFE? It is clear that those in Church leadership are to be monogamous (the 'husband of one wife' clause shows up in both statements of elder/deacon qualifications: 1 Tim 3.2 and Titus 1.6).....and they are EXAMPLES of how the REST OF THE MEN MUST LIVE! How do I know? Because God has said that He is no RESPECTOR OF PERSONS. Yes, we have been here before also. I do not confuse genders for persons as some do. I realize you seek gender equality and desire the things that pertain to men but this is not God's way, Lisa. This is the sort of thinking that fuels the neo-feminist agenda and same-sex marriage. Before GOD we are all equal as persons. God is no respector of persons and you are not God. Indeed men in leadership should be the HUSBAND of ONE WIFE, even as the APOSTLE PAUL, ABRAHAM, MOSES, GIDEON, and all the men of GOD were also the HUSBANDS of ONE WIFE. Romans 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God. Now JT, I care about your soul or I would not have taken time to show you this very obvious truth. It is now up to you to get your life in order with God. I have done my part in expounding to you the way more clearly....It's up to you to either accept or reject the truth I have shown you. Whatever you do, I will still treat you kindly and still pray for you. If you feel the need to attack me, call me names, or hurl insults....that is your choice. I will still pray for you. The anger of the LORD hath divided them; he will no more regard them: they respected not the persons of the priests, they favoured not the elders. I feel much the same toward you, Lisa. I have devoted more time to your efforts than you have given me credit for, but I understand that you are not GOD so I will try to be more respectful of this fact. Afterall, you are only a woman. Should one of my wives ever choose to become a whore, I shall make an effort to inform you of it so that you can call yourself a prophetess to justify your insults and accusations. I can lead you to the living water but that is as far as I can take you. If you want to reject what the Word of GOD has called two wives and live in denial of GOD's own truth to exclusion of so many scriptures that support the truth I can only pray that one day you will get your life in order also. May God have mercy upon you and your house. JT |
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