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Many of us have "been around". Since you have chosen green font, I will choose blue. Iron sharpeneth iron. Let us test one another's mettle to His honor and glory. May Jesus champion us both.
JT, I've been around and involved in many discussions over the years so since you ducked my question, in my opinion, I'll restate it. Since the first question of the post asks this question: "Is Jesus the Son of God?" And in the above post and messages you inter mix trinitairian terms with oneness terms am I correct that you are trying to prove that Almighty God is not three persons and one God? You and I both know the difference in a name (Jesus) and a title (Father) so why have you said that both words are God's neme? You and I both know that the Greek word (theois) and the English may be have different meanings. You and I both know that there is a difference in essence and substance an argument going on for 2000 years at least and there are no signs it will be settled in our life time. So are you saying that Jesus, the Spirit of God, and God are exactly one and the same being? Is that the purpose of this post and the messages that are connected to it? If so you must know that there are a number of word and terms that have to be qualified and meanings agreed on before Oneness and Trinitarians will agree on anything other that there is only one God and Jesus the Christ in His only begotton Son by Whom God offers salvation, if that. In search of truth, Don |
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Let me put it this way... Christ is the Person of the Son, the Person of the Father, and the Person of the Holy Spirit. GOD is One in every way; if it were not so, pray tell, in what way is GOD not One? |
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To both of you: when trinitirian believe is actually 'spelled' out, then the world can see the 'foolishness' of it. but by the same token, when 'oneness' doctrine is 'spelled' out, then the world can see the 'foolishness' of it also. Read post # 2 here for solid proof of the 'foolishness' of such a doctrine. Now why is this? because neither doctrine is truth. Neither doctrine is taught in Scripture. both doctrines are the brain-storms of unlearned men. when the TRUTH is spelled out, then the world should be able to hear its glorious truth....yet because they are so into the darkness of both false teachings, they are blinded and cannot 'see' this glory. Blessed are the eyes that can see. blessed are the ears which can HEAR. God is not a man. Jesus was a man of sorrows. God cannot be born from a woman. Jesus was born from a woman. God cannot die. Jesus died. Christ is a many-membered kingdom. christ is the image of the invisible God. Therefore, God is also a many-membered kingdom. He is infinite. He is innumerable, so far as to how 'many', are in this God-kingdom. Read Romans 12 and 1Cor. 12. Both of these chapters explain that as our body is made up of many members, so is Christ, who is the image of God. So therefore God is made up of innumerable members. Yet they are all united into ONE PERFECT body. On the day of Pentecost, 120 were in ONE MIND, AND ONE ACCORD. So is the kingdom of God. how were 120 in the same, or ONE MIND? did they all have the same brain? that is what 'oneness' doctrine tries to say about God. Jesus prayed in John 17, that we all be ONE AS THEY, (he and his Father) are ONE. Now to those who say that god is just 1 person, how are we all to be ONE AS THEY ARE ONE? Jake, you need to search the Word and find out if what you are saying is written in Scripture. Did Jesus say that? Did the Apostles say it? If so, WHERE? wHAT bOOK, VERSE? What did you read in Scripture which gave you the things you said in post #2? Where did Jesus say, Christ is the person of the Son? the person of the Father? person of the Holy Spirit? where did you read that in Scripture? We both agree that if it is not written, it is false. So I ask for the Scripture where this is written. How do you reconcile the fact that God has no father and no mother? Do you think that Mary is the mother of God? Do you think that god died on the cross....and went into hell? He was perfected in the things he suffered.....God? |
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JT, did you see this? I would still like to hear what Scripture explains God, as you did in post #2. Is there any such Scripture? not in the KJV, I am sure of that. |
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... Yes, and you have yet to tell me in what way GOD is NOT ONE.
Let me put it this way... Christ is the Person of the Son, the Person of the Father, and the Person of the Holy Spirit. GOD is One in every way; if it were not so, pray tell, in what way is GOD not One?
Hebrews 1 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? *** |
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Ok, Jake. He is not ONE in the way you think. He is not 1 person. He is not 1 spirit. he is not the only 1. He is not alone, as you think. Jesus said, I am NOT ALONE. why do you not believe him. He said the Father is WITH ME. He never said, as you do, the Father is me. He never, ever said I am God. He never said I am my own father, as you say. So you are not saying what Jesus taught. I ask you for one scripture where Jesus said, I am really God. I am god incarnate. or in the flesh, or anything of that sort. Sure, I teach Hebrews one. but you cannot teach it in its truth, so long as you believe that Jesus is the Father of himself. He is our Father. and He is our God, because his Father and His God set it to be that way. Hebrews one proves this. Are you too blind to see what you are reading? Of course you are. false doctrine has blinded you. Do you think God is the firstbegotten? Do you really think that God is calling himself his own Son? Did God say, I will be to myself a father and to myself a son? Of course not. did he say, this day I begot myself.? Tell me this. when you think of God as leaving heaven, where he fills the heaven and heaven of heavens, and then he left that, and came down and placed HIMSELF into that tiny egg of Mary, and made himself into a human baby, what do you think was left in Heaven? Was God void of the universe then and only existed as a microscopic cell growing in a woman's body? Did god exist then, outside of Mary? Was the Eternal, all powerful God actually growing inside a human woman? Is that what you really believe? Where is Scripture saying any of this? It does not exist. so it is added junk. and if the Jesus-only doctrine is true, then this has to be what happened. you mean to tell me you really believe that Mary had the eternal God inside her womb? and she gave birth to the eternal God? That is catholic lies. And was God no where else, but inside Mary? and was God no where else except inside Jesus? Thank about what this doctrine really does blaspheme and say. No Scripture says that God took on himself human flesh. Yet you all, trinities and oneness alike, declare this lie. You both declare the incarnation LIE. It is catholicism. You think God died on a cross? No Scripture teaches this. you think a dead god raised that dead god back to life? think about what you are really saying. If Jesus were God as you think, then this would have to be true. John baptized God? really? Man killed God? really? God is the father of God? really? God is the son of God? really? God was a man? yet the Word says that God is not a man, neither the son of man. ever read that? |
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Jake, you spoke of the DUAL nature of God, somewhere. So I ask for a Scripture which teaches this. Most say Jesus was both God and man. where is one verse saying this? They and you say that Jesus was fully god and fully man. Where is one Scripture which says this? which apostle taught this? where did Jesus teach it? are you really teaching what they taught? No, it is not written. They call Jesus the 'god-man'. I ask for one Scripture saying this. You who deny that God existed outside of Jesus, please give me Scripture proving this. Why would Jesus pray, and say, My God, My God, why have you FORSAKEN me, if he were that God? Isn't that just as foolish as it can get? He could not have been God and pray such to himself. He would not call himself, his own God, and then forsake himself. It is foolish junk. |
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