I understand that you want all marriage to be justified in the eyes of God but it just isn't so - not REAL marriage... not GODLY marriage. 

Whatever, but all relationship are not real marriages, because God won't recognize them. 

  Isn't that just what I've been saying? Carefully study that above statement of yours real hard. What was my opening statement? You know... the one that you were going to set me straight on? The one that set you off on this whole business in the first place? Hold on... let me find it:

He can keep his indoctrination going in his little kinky harem group.  I'll post here.  If he comes here making grand declarations like this quote  " God must be present in the marriage equation for it to be an authentic marriage. No God, no marriage. God created it. <o:p>"   It'll be show time.

I know how much you would prefer to glory in your flesh before God in this but sister, it just doesn't wash. God isn't interested in your tokens of flesh and blood or even in the condition of your bed sheets anymore. 

I some what agree with that, but in a different way and it broadens the topic, so another time perhaps.

It's good to see that you're coming around.

Jesus is the GENUINE COVENANT now. If you don't have Him you really don't have a marriage. 

THAT is what you have not been able to prove.  I plainly showed you some married sinners and these bold unbiblical declarations are all you can come up with as a rebuttal. 

Oh sure, you may have "one flesh" at best. If you want to call that "marriage" you go right ahead... the sodomites and catamites and lesbians are right beside you on that one. Go stand with them. 

Gay people = apples   Virgins and true bachelors & widows = Oranges.

Be it your apples or your Oranges , if your fruit is rotten then your lord is dead and you won't stand a chance in judgment if you think that the old covenant will save you, or your marriage from the pit. Jesus is the genuine covenant and I do declare that without Him you cannot have a godly marriage.

The flesh profiteth nothing.  because they join in the flesh and are given to join in the flesh but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge

If a young man or woman is not a whore or a whoremonger, they will not be judged as such.

Dolly pay attention: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Hebrews 13:4

Did you get that? I hope you did. Does it say, "all marriage is honourable"? NOPE. It says, "marriage is honourable in all". 

Haha, or to some people it might say "Marriage is to be held in honor among all" or maybe "Marriage should be honored by all"

Dolly. If it is marriage indeed it is to be held in honor. Paul was preaching to the church. That's why he had to point out, make a distinction, and be very clear to the church whenever he referred to the unbelieving. You need to get this right.

One should not nit-pick semantics over a kjv passage that is comprised of added English words like the first portion of Hebrews 13:4 is.

Okay, fine... if you think that Hebrews 13:4 is unacceptable then I understand. I realize it is hard for you to argue your point without resorting to the New Age Bible. I think the translators did a fine job in the AKJV. It's good enough for me.

What sort of marriage is honourable in all? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. So what sort of "marriage is honourable in all" ? One flesh? I hardly think so. Is taking another man's wife honourable? Is it sanctified? Is it holy and undefiled? 

Casual sex with an harlot is forbidden, and I told you why. 

I like the Lord's reasons better than yours. Please don't think it isn't possible to marry a harlot... it just isn't godly.

I think not. Keep your hands to yourself, you filthy-minded woman. Nothing good can come out of the hole you are talking about. Keep it covered because so far, all that has come out of it stinks to high heaven. I know of sodomites that put up better arguments and they stink too. Wash ye, and make ye clean. 

Hahaha (and I'm really laughing) and you've run out of gas.

I see you conveniently cut my reason for saying that from your post. Allow me to put it back:

"Now let me grab the back of your neck and show you some more of the hole I was talking about." - Dolly

Keep your hands to yourself, you filthy-minded woman. Nothing good can come out of the hole you are talking about. Keep it covered because so far, all that has come out of it stinks to high heaven. I know of sodomites that put up better arguments and they stink too. Wash ye, and make ye clean.

 (This is a good reply to any froward woman. I hope the young men are paying attention.)

 Apparently you're assuming that Lamech was the first man to have more than one wife, but the scripture says nothing of the sort.  If God wanted us to know who the first man to take more than one wife was, the Bible would have made it clear that it was the first time such a thing happened. You assume too much.

It's the first record of polygamy and polygamy is not going to prop you up or save you in this discussion. 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you cannot find the proof to support it doesn't make your argument any stronger either.

  Just like you would assume that all union in the flesh is godly marriage or genuine. Do you really think that the Holy Spirit is optional??? 

God will decide who has his Spirit and who does not.  That is a wait and see issue.

God have mercy. You don't know if you have Jesus? Well no wonder you have problems, girl. You need to repent and get saved so you have the true Witness. You have bigger things to tend to right now than worrying about whether or not God honors carnal marriage or not. I recommend the United Pentecostal Church. They might have a lot wrong but they also have a lot right ... plus you can get saved there. Genuine, REAL marriage still awaits you... Holy, undefiled, and Honorable.

This is the lamest argument against two wives I've heard yet. 

I never argued against polygamy. The polygamy issue has allowed you to artificially become bold.  You use the polygamy issue to intimidate most people from a dialog with you. (and it works well)  That won't work with me.  You may use polygamy to muddy the water as pertaining to men and second, third, forth, fifth, ect . . .  wives, but you can not do so with women.  You get a woman who has been remarried while her first husband lives, and she is an adulteress, and whosoever marries her commits adultery, even after you get all done preaching heresy to her.

You know, I'm not sure where you are going with this so I'm going to leave it alone. I have alot to say against Polygamy if it is the kind of thing you're talking about. I resort to the use of that word only when I speak to the carnal minded. I guess that is the problem right there. I thought you might be saved but everything about your demeanor says, "Self-righteous".  I was hoping you were one of His but you are too full of your Self to convince me that you have the truth. You're certainly not a Jew.

Do you also believe that we should be back in the garden chewing on roots and berries, buck naked, and romping with the animals? 

Ouden doesn't sell gas here. I would imagine that you already checked. Evidently you went to the Self-Serve.

Precedence is no justification for what you're trying to prove here. 

Precedence determines what the bible considers a marriage, because Jesus didn't lie. The Precedence I outlined is very problematic, and frankly, blows holes all in your theory. 

The Bible doesn't consider anything. The Bible is a book of books. It doesn't have a brain or a mind.  What Jesus called marriage is ONE FLESH but Jesus also made sure to tell those Pharisees that what God put together they should not put asunder. There is all sorts of ONE FLESH going on in the world that just isn't godly. God did not authorize an harlot to be ONE FLESH and adulterer, but nonetheless they still marry in the flesh. Did God put them together just because of the ordinance He made with the first man and woman in the garden? No, but they are married nonetheless... in the flesh...  BUT NOT IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH!

In the beginning there was no divorcement because there was NO SIN  

Your still out of gas.

Be careful where you sniff or you might get hurt.

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Unless your beloved sinner kids repent of their sins, get baptised in Jesus name, and get filled with the Holy Ghost, their marriage is full of fornication, they will die in their sins, they won't make it to the MARRIAGE, and they're gonna get cast out! 

All those sinner kids had to do was get in the ark. It wasn't their marriages which had God wanting to destroy them, it was the evil they were committing.  Ham's marrage wasn't his problem, it was what he did to his drunk Dad, and that would not have happened if he hadn't been a married sinner, just like those who drown in the flood.

Do you even hear what I'm saying? Do you understand anything about the New Covenant? Should I try to refresh your mind again? The reason you talked so tough about how you were going to set me straight in this little "show time" of yours is this statement:

God must be present in the marriage equation for it to be an authentic marriage. No God, no marriage. God created it.

You said:

"All relationship are not real marriages, because God won't recognize them."

Take responsibility for your double-mindedness.

Now go wash your mouth and keep that hole closed until something better comes out of it. Shame on you! Your husband should give you a good spanking. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me to discover who wears the pants and who is donning the tutu. 

Hahaha (I'm really laughing some more) and you're still running on empty.

That's fine. They laughed at Jesus too. They laughed at the saints. One day it won't be a laughing matter any more. Too many men are being run by their wives in this untoward generation and you strike me as the sort of woman that wouldn't hesitate at the chance.

To be honest, you don't even strike me as a godly woman at all. If I didn't know better I would think you more a man, vulgar, base, vile, crude, arrogant, double-minded and full of your self. I may "run on empty" as you say, but my God is able to lift me up and fill me up to overflowing. All you have contributed so far are insults, and froward remarks, with a few Bible verses tacked into your potty mouth that you don't even understand because you are obviously none of His.

You're right. Stay here with the rest of the stinkers who ran over here with you. 

I plan on it, and my words will stay here to burn your eyes every time you look at them.

That is fine Dolly. You go ahead and take the matter up with your husband. (If you really are a woman, that is... perhaps your husband helped you with your post and that is why you sound like a vulgar man. You already agreed with the very statement you challenged me on. So I'll leave you to your delusions.)

You don't want to debate with Jacobs Trouble. 

I'm debating with him right now, although it isn't much of a debate.  My first post about the married people who drown in the flood, bent him over and spanked his butt before the Whole World Wide Web!

Your first post about married people who drowned in the flood only strengthened my argument that marriage in the flesh cannot save you. You have some awful twisted fantasies sister, but I'm 'getting the picture' enough to understand the reason why you are so confused. I think it's pretty clear already to those who know Jesus. You weren't really debating with JT before, but for the moment, I am he. Scannerman suits more purposes than you can possibly imagine. Don't come to this forum because you will surely be buried.

If you stepped into Full Bible Truth your garments would be so filthy everyone there would have to smile and hold their noses. Jacobs Trouble would probably feel so sorry for you that he might be obligated to give you a proper burial.  

proper burial?  Ouden will protect me here, I'll stay here.

Ouden cannot be your covenant. Ouden is only human. You need Jesus. I know you think you have Him but if you did, it is highly unlikely that you would debate in the froward fashion that you do. You sound like a man and you smell like a man who is in need of a good baptism. The only problem is that you love your flesh more than you realize and so do the spirits that you entertain. 

Not once did Jesus call this GODLY MARRIAGE. 

He just said marriage, and he said they were for life.

What about eternity? Life is short. Remember my point?

God must be present in the marriage equation for it to be an authentic marriage. No God, no marriage. God created it.

Not once did He say it was sanctified.

You tried.  And I succeded. You ended up agreeing with me.

"All relationship are not real marriages, because God won't recognize them." - Dolly

Not once did He call it clean, and not once did He say that it was undefiled. STOP glorying in your flesh and get down to some serious repentance.

You lost. The Devil said as much to the saints when they were martyred but that doesn't mean I have to believe him.

Please don't tell me that you also believe the Church is the Son. Wait a minute... You embrace this filthy doctrine of devils too??? Well, no wonder!

I'd be ready to change the subject too if I were you.

If you were me you would know that Jesus is not the Bride. You would know that only Jesus can sanctify a marriage and make it godly. You would know that the arm of flesh cannot save you; but you are not me, so you don't understand what these things mean. You only THINK you do. You are not Scannerman or Jabobs Trouble either. You are not the man behind this keyboard and you do not understand marriage nearly as well as you pretend to.

Now SNW people.  That is how you handle a snake.

In the end, the serpent must agree with you when that viper keeps quoting the scripture just as it is written. Eventually they weary and project their fears, but despite all the hissing they just keep on missing. That is why SNW need not fear Jacobs_Trouble, Radical,  Scannerman, or any who stick to the Good Book.  I rest my case.

All relationship are not real marriages, because God won't recognize them. 

God must be present in the marriage equation for it to be an authentic marriage. No God, no marriage. God created it.

JT